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Post by girllikeabomb on Sept 9, 2021 16:35:52 GMT -5
That version is not my cup of tea. It's too soft, Live forever is a an optimistic song, not a melancholic one. He added the "We're on the Way Now" filter that i don't like on some of his new tunes. I like the way he changed DLBIA because the song was always kinda soft. Live Forever needs to be a bit raw, a bit upbeat, not obscure, not snowflaky. For me, the song can definitely be read as melancholy (although it's not in the Oasis version), but I found this version went a tad bit too far into the saccharine, though as with any sweetener, that is very much a taste thing. I don't mind the melancholy at all, and the arrangement is very pretty, but I'd personally strip it back. Oddly, I found myself more moved by the audience singing it spontaneously for Prince, possibly because it was so raw it left the power of the song bare, to use your word (I like that word.)
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Post by sheisloved on Sept 9, 2021 18:37:11 GMT -5
Sounds forced to me. If it isn't broke don't fix it.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Sept 10, 2021 1:13:10 GMT -5
I agree with the too soft sounding comments. I prefer Noel's voice in the period he describes as before he learnt how to sing. It often solnds too polished now and he often has strange phrasing at the end of a line.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 10, 2021 2:35:30 GMT -5
There's absolutely no need to go punk or disco here tho But why not though ? I'd be up for Live Forever (A Kool & the Gang production)... For me, the song can definitely be read as melancholy (although it's not in the Oasis version), but I found this version went a tad bit too far into the saccharine, though as with any sweetener, that is very much a taste thing. I don't mind the melancholy at all, and the arrangement is very pretty, but I'd personally strip it back. Oddly, I found myself more moved by the audience singing it spontaneously for Prince, possibly because it was so raw it left the power of the song bare, to use your word (I like that word.) I dont mind melancholy, i come from an area where melancholy is a way of life. But those early DM songs are not that. They are full of hope about the future, not reflecting on the past and things could have been anyway, it's not bad, just too too soft. Noel used to manage to keep his ballads away from that kind of sound used by mainstream ballad makers. I agree with the too soft sounding comments. I prefer Noel's voice in the period he describes as before he learnt how to sing. It often solnds too polished now and he often has strange phrasing at the end of a line. Noel definitely sugared his ballads a bit too much lately, maybe to attract some lost fans along the way with his "new" sound. At least that's how i see it. The next record is gonna be an interesting one. I doubt the singles will be that weird, but we never know.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Sept 10, 2021 3:29:36 GMT -5
I dont mind melancholy, i come from an area where melancholy is a way of life. Brazil?
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Post by andymorris on Sept 10, 2021 3:50:42 GMT -5
I dont mind melancholy, i come from an area where melancholy is a way of life. Brazil? Nope ! Brazilian are melancholics ? Thought they were festive, more like.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Sept 10, 2021 4:01:31 GMT -5
Nope ! Brazilian are melancholics ? Thought they were festive, more like. Saudade -- the Brazilian melancholy. Although maybe they absorbed that from Portugal, which I see is dubbed "the saddest country in Europe." Are you going to make me keep guessing?
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Post by andymorris on Sept 10, 2021 4:18:01 GMT -5
Nope ! Brazilian are melancholics ? Thought they were festive, more like. Saudade -- the Brazilian melancholy. Although maybe they absorbed that from Portugal, which I see is dubbed "the saddest country in Europe." Are you going to make me keep guessing? Right, i didnt know that, glad i learnt something today Nope, no need to keep guessing. Been here since 2004 and never said anything about it, never will.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Sept 10, 2021 4:50:25 GMT -5
Nope, no need to keep guessing. Been here since 2004 and never said anything about it, never will. No worries. Everybody's got something to hide (except me and my monkey.)
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Post by andymorris on Sept 10, 2021 5:03:54 GMT -5
Nope, no need to keep guessing. Been here since 2004 and never said anything about it, never will. No worries. Everybody's got something to hide (except me and my monkey.) A little mystery is always good right. I'm old school, internet privacy and all that. But I shared tunes
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 10, 2021 6:44:04 GMT -5
Don't mind that version of Live Forever except the solo which is horribly Coldplay
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Post by dadrocker on Sept 10, 2021 6:57:18 GMT -5
Nope ! Brazilian are melancholics ? Thought they were festive, more like. Saudade -- the Brazilian melancholy. Although maybe they absorbed that from Portugal, which I see is dubbed "the saddest country in Europe." Are you going to make me keep guessing? Saudade is one of my favorite words! I like this version a lot. Looking forward to hopefully hearing it live someday in the future. Dude is 54. Why the hell would he be playing Live Forever like a 23-yr old? He went through this in the interview. Those days are over, get over it. That's the point! Noel is damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'm glad he just does what he wants.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 10, 2021 7:00:09 GMT -5
Don't mind that version of Live Forever except the solo which is horribly Coldplay I don't mind the solo (I like Coldplay, to be fair), but really wish we could get a version with something closer to the original Will be interesting to see how they pull it off when they play it in front of an audience
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Post by breakingmad on Sept 10, 2021 7:02:53 GMT -5
Saudade -- the Brazilian melancholy. Although maybe they absorbed that from Portugal, which I see is dubbed "the saddest country in Europe." Are you going to make me keep guessing? Saudade is one of my favorite words! I like this version a lot. Looking forward to hopefully hearing it live someday in the future. Dude is 54. Why the hell would he be playing Live Forever like a 23-yr old? He went through this in the interview. Those days are over, get over it. That's the point! Noel is damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'm glad he just does what he wants. Totally agree.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 10, 2021 7:07:40 GMT -5
DLBIA solo as reinvented by Gem fits the "new" version of the song (which is new/old now). More mellow, less in your face and less britpop. This new solo is bland.
Noel is 54 indeed but he can make "young music" still, his EP were fresh, and even Flying on the Ground was somehow new.
Anyway, just a live version right. I'm sure the "tour" version will be punchier.
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Post by I Built The Moon on Sept 10, 2021 7:25:09 GMT -5
Fabulous revisit of his best song. And very revealing that he plays it now looking back at his life, and that shines through in the melancholic, wistful vibe.
Anyone worked out the chords? He says in the interview that it came about whilst in a different tuning.
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Post by alancrown on Sept 10, 2021 7:30:53 GMT -5
Is it same chords but tuned down a step?
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Post by andymorris on Sept 10, 2021 7:42:51 GMT -5
By ear only, same chords half down. The structure couldn't be change that much anyway or the melody would sound vastly different
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Post by I Built The Moon on Sept 10, 2021 8:02:43 GMT -5
By ear only, same chords half down. The structure couldn't be change that much anyway or the melody would sound vastly different Yeah think you're right. Half a step, and potentially not playing the full chords, doing his usual acoustic session thing of playing the third fret on the B and high E string throughout. Whatever it is, it's a beaut.
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Post by leron on Sept 10, 2021 8:09:37 GMT -5
By ear only, same chords half down. The structure couldn't be change that much anyway or the melody would sound vastly different He changed the am7 of "...they'll never see" into an em/c# or A7/c#. It's an important tonal change even though it's just a small bit (ofc I didn't transpose the chords, it's one half step down)
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Post by PepsiNebula on Sept 10, 2021 14:23:26 GMT -5
That version is not my cup of tea. It's too soft, Live forever is a an optimistic song, not a melancholic one. He added the "We're on the Way Now" filter that i don't like on some of his new tunes. I like the way he changed DLBIA because the song was always kinda soft. Live Forever needs to be a bit raw, a bit upbeat, not obscure, not snowflaky. See, I think if one song's melancholic that's Live Forever It was always in there, even if the words are quite clearly optimistic And I believe it made complete sense for him to give it a new interpretation now 30 years after writing it, he explained it pretty well Agreed! It's great that we can have both interpretations: the one full of youthful hope and enthusiasm and this one from the perspective of someone older, who is much more intimately aware of how he's not actually going to live forever.
And that aside, I just thought it was gorgeous. I've always thought this song was kind of overrated, but I loved this. Easily my favorite version that I've heard.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Sept 10, 2021 15:09:58 GMT -5
Saudade is one of my favorite words! I like this version a lot. Looking forward to hopefully hearing it live someday in the future. Dude is 54. Why the hell would he be playing Live Forever like a 23-yr old? He went through this in the interview. Those days are over, get over it. That's the point! Noel is damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'm glad he just does what he wants. Yes, such a beautiful word and for me so much the way life is -- the bitter and the sweet all mixed up together in one big gorgeous and terrible jumble. Noel is definitely damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but it would be the case even if he was never in Oasis. It's always that way if you're putting stuff out into the world -- some will love it, some will hate it, some will call you a genius, some will be disappointed, and lots of people will fall between the poles. But Noel is in the rare position of not having to care which ... more power to him and to anyone who gets there.
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Post by marianna on Sept 10, 2021 15:44:59 GMT -5
Nope ! Brazilian are melancholics ? Thought they were festive, more like. Saudade -- the Brazilian melancholy. Although maybe they absorbed that from Portugal, which I see is dubbed "the saddest country in Europe." Are you going to make me keep guessing? Saudade is a portuguese word. Brazilians speak portuguese. There are, obviously differences, much like British English and American English. The differences are more proeminent regarding newer words and slang. Now, the portuguese being dubbed the saddest country in Europe?! Someone must be awfully mistaken about the essence of them. I lived there for 20 years. Melancholic? yes, intense? yes, skeptics to the point of cynicism? Yes... But sad? I beg to differ. And here is a good example:
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Post by girllikeabomb on Sept 10, 2021 17:09:56 GMT -5
Now, the portuguese being dubbed the saddest country in Europe?! Someone must be awfully mistaken about the essence of them. I lived there for 20 years. Melancholic? yes, intense? yes, skeptics to the point of cynicism? Yes... But sad? I beg to differ. And here is a good example: Just to quickly say, no offense at all intended. It’s obviously a huge generalization (and like all generalizations lacks all nuance) and was just teasing andymorris but that's what comes up when you google Portugal and melancholy. For just one of hundreds of examples, this BBC article entitled “The European Country That Loves Being Sad.” www.bbc.com/travel/article/20161118-the-european-country-that-loves-being-sadDon’t think anyone intends to say Portuguese people are depressed all the time, just that there is a distinctive cultural legacy of melancholy. Same way Noel (or anyone) can be melancholic in a song, yet live a mostly fantastic life. I've never had the pleasure of visiting Portugal, but have only heard wonderful things from those who have.
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Post by marianna on Sept 10, 2021 18:01:29 GMT -5
Now, the portuguese being dubbed the saddest country in Europe?! Someone must be awfully mistaken about the essence of them. I lived there for 20 years. Melancholic? yes, intense? yes, skeptics to the point of cynicism? Yes... But sad? I beg to differ. And here is a good example: Just to quickly say, no offense at all intended. It’s obviously a huge generalization (and like all generalizations lacks all nuance) and was just teasing andymorris but that's what comes up when you google Portugal and melancholy. For just one of hundreds of examples, this BBC article entitled “The European Country That Loves Being Sad.” www.bbc.com/travel/article/20161118-the-european-country-that-loves-being-sadDon’t think anyone intends to say Portuguese people are depressed all the time, just that there is a distinctive cultural legacy of melancholy. Same way Noel (or anyone) can be melancholic in a song, yet live a mostly fantastic life. I've never had the pleasure of visiting Portugal, but have only heard wonderful things from those who have. There is a saying: Brazilians haver a happy way of being sad, Portuguese have a sad way of being happy. Of course it is a generalization. I did not intend to make it sound like you were meaning it literally. My point is, there is a difference between sadness and melancholy. Portugal (and Ireland by the way), and yes happy partying Brazil are good examples of that. Above all, portuguese is a beautiful, poetic language. I will leave just one more song, just for the sake of it, by Capicua (a portuguese hip hop artist) with Rael and Emicida (from Brazil). It's called Mátria (a feminine word deriving from Mother, (as opposed to pátria, meaning the country and a masculin word deriving from father). Mátria is not a country, but a language, a common ground. If I find the time I will translate the lyrics and update the post. Can you guess which accent is which?
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