cosmos
Oasis Roadie
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Post by cosmos on Jun 11, 2021 10:24:58 GMT -5
I don't understand why some fans defend every stupid thing Noel (or Liam) say. It's ok to criticise them, it doesn't mean you have to go and burn your Oasis albums. To be honest, I think it's more to do with what seems to be an overreaction I don't like him getting a shitload of money to do an interview with The S*n, but I don't believe anyone ever associated with it is a horrible human being as I've been reading the last couple of days But then I'm not british, so it may be just that "it is an overreaction". Yeah, your answer for everything. EVERYTHING.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 11, 2021 10:33:07 GMT -5
To be honest, I think it's more to do with what seems to be an overreaction I don't like him getting a shitload of money to do an interview with The S*n, but I don't believe anyone ever associated with it is a horrible human being as I've been reading the last couple of days But then I'm not british, so it may be just that "it is an overreaction". Yeah, your answer for everything. EVERYTHING. We know each other mate?
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 11, 2021 10:35:02 GMT -5
Also, comparing the Noel from 1995 to the Noel of today sets the lowest of bars. He’s in his fifties. You’d expect him to know better than to wish AIDS on other people by now, and to know that his words carry a lot of weight to many. And yes, shitting on Harry and Meghan in The S*n while using loaded words like “woke” and “snowflake” comes straight out of the Tory playbook. I f you had told me that quote was made by Piers Morgan, I would have believed you. That’s not centrist talk.Speaking of, not sure if this was seen here (he's now a big NG fan, imagine that):
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Post by bt95 on Jun 11, 2021 10:45:48 GMT -5
I'm a sports reporter. When I was 20 and just coming out of my course, I was trying to find my feet. I got some articles (two, IIRC) in the biggest paper in the country. What were you doing when you were 20? And yes, I got some much-needed cash. I'm now 26, I've gone on to interview Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder just before the pandemic, recently just sat down with Aaron Ramsey, and worked for everything off my own back so thanks for telling me I'm crap at my job. I don't really have much of an opinon on H+M other than i think they came across as a bit hypocrticial. I actually don't doubt what they said about the Royal Family. The 'working class youth' aren't the woke ones though. 1. My bad, maybe I made it very personal. I never meant to say you were rubbish at what you do or to make fun your personal circumstances. I apologise for that. 2. But still, how can you justify a millionaire who can chose thousands of media outlets to throw shit at anything or anyone before going for the Sun? Maybe you did it out of desperation, but he did it on purpose. And maybe he did so because he wants to reach the Sun´s audience? Again, perspective my friend. 1. No worries, sorry for sniping. People do what they can in any career. If I had been in perfect circumstances i wouldn't have done it, but at the time, six years ago, the S** were the ones who wanted the type of articles i'd managed to write. Luckily now I don't have to do that. 2. I'm not trying to justify it. I think it was wrong. I think he shouldn't have done it, I'd like to think he had more sense, clearly he doesn't or he just doesn't care. I just don't think, comparatively, it's the worst thing in the world, is all. And I don't think, on the scale of things NG has said and done, it actually comes into the top 5 worst things, if you get me. So my issue is more with the 'how dare he do this' etc. That's fine, but as fans we've all reconciled/put up with some pretty dispicable stuff from both brothers probably up until the last few years. Shoe on the other foot, not that I think he would (which says more about Noel I know), but if Liam had a record to promote and had done this interview and said what was said, what would the fanbase reaction be? Because on the whole I think we all acknowledge there's less animosity - and Noel has probably caused this I know - between certain sections of the Oasis fanbase and Liam than there is Noel, so would the reaction have been different. This is another note altogether, but to a wider point, that Mainly Oasis divvy made me laugh. The bloke spends his time stealing from other accounts at will without credit, yet was decrying Noel for doing the interview yesterday. Like I said, double standards, I can't be having it. My view on Noel is he can be a bit of - a lot of - a prick. He's said some horrid stuff, but I love his music and I think he's probably a good person, he just has this persona and it's a persona we've all bought into. So this thing, well it won't tip me over the edge. I just think it's an example of him doing something he shouldn't have done but from his perspective I don't think he'll care, for the reasons i've listed previously in this thread. Apologies for the long post, just thought best to get everything in.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 11, 2021 10:48:22 GMT -5
Also, comparing the Noel from 1995 to the Noel of today sets the lowest of bars. He’s in his fifties. You’d expect him to know better than to wish AIDS on other people by now, and to know that his words carry a lot of weight to many. And yes, shitting on Harry and Meghan in The S*n while using loaded words like “woke” and “snowflake” comes straight out of the Tory playbook. I f you had told me that quote was made by Piers Morgan, I would have believed you. That’s not centrist talk.Speaking of, not sure if this was seen here (he's now a big NG fan, imagine that): Just as an aside, I should have added this into my initial comment to @nyr, isn't this the same Piers Morgan that spent all last year lambasting the Tories for their shite response to COVID, and then had socialists kind of tied up in knots because they had to agree with him by default. He's a prick, like, but just saying, not sure calling a Prince a snowflake or woke makes you a Tory. Just like Noel calling Boris Johnson a 'fat vagina' in an interview last week doesn't suddenly make him a socialist.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 11, 2021 10:48:31 GMT -5
1. My bad, maybe I made it very personal. I never meant to say you were rubbish at what you do or to make fun your personal circumstances. I apologise for that. 2. But still, how can you justify a millionaire who can chose thousands of media outlets to throw shit at anything or anyone before going for the Sun? Maybe you did it out of desperation, but he did it on purpose. And maybe he did so because he wants to reach the Sun´s audience? Again, perspective my friend. 1. No worries, sorry for sniping. People do what they can in any career. If I had been in perfect circumstances i wouldn't have done it, but at the time, six years ago, the S** were the ones who wanted the type of articles i'd managed to write. Luckily now I don't have to do that. 2. I'm not trying to justify it. I think it was wrong. I think he shouldn't have done it, I'd like to think he had more sense, clearly he doesn't or he just doesn't care. I just don't think, comparatively, it's the worst thing in the world, is all. And I don't think, on the scale of things NG has said and done, it actually comes into the top 5 worst things, if you get me. So my issue is more with the 'how dare he do this' etc. That's fine, but as fans we've all reconciled/put up with some pretty dispicable stuff from both brothers probably up until the last few years. Shoe on the other foot, not that I think he would (which says more about Noel I know), but if Liam had a record to promote and had done this interview and said what was said, what would the fanbase reaction be? Because on the whole I think we all acknowledge there's less animosity - and Noel has probably caused this I know - between certain sections of the Oasis fanbase and Liam than there is Noel, so would the reaction have been different. This is another note altogether, but to a wider point, that Mainly Oasis divvy made me laugh. The bloke spends his time stealing from other accounts at will without credit, yet was decrying Noel for doing the interview yesterday. Like I said, double standards, I can't be having it. My view on Noel is he can be a bit of - a lot of - a prick. He's said some horrid stuff, but I love his music and I think he's probably a good person, he just has this persona and it's a persona we've all bought into. So this thing, well it won't tip me over the edge. I just think it's an example of him doing something he shouldn't have done but from his perspective I don't think he'll care, for the reasons i've listed previously in this thread. Apologies for the long post, just thought best to get everything in. Good point on Mainly Oasis actually. Was crying about it all day and then he was posting pictures of him drinking a beer while watching the Noel gig last night and telling us all about how he’d been sent the set list. The beer was surprising as I’d always just assumed he was 14.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 11, 2021 10:50:55 GMT -5
Another aside, I don't know if people promoting an album actually get paid loads to do exclusives?
It's not like a scoop. It's just promotion.
I doubt the Scum were sending NG a big briefcase of £50 notes.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 11, 2021 11:06:27 GMT -5
Just as an aside, I should have added this into my initial comment to @nyr, isn't this the same Piers Morgan that spent all last year lambasting the Tories for their shite response to COVID, and then had socialists kind of tied up in knots because they had to agree with him by default. He's a prick, like, but just saying, not sure calling a Prince a snowflake or woke makes you a Tory. Just like Noel calling Boris Johnson a 'fat vagina' in an interview last week doesn't suddenly make him a socialist. Don't think anyone was tied up in knots. There's no contradiction in agreeing that Johnson's response to Covid unnecessarily killed thousands and thinking Piers Morgan is a racist, elitist ass. None at all. As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. (Also Morgan himself has identified as a Tory -- shockingly you can be a Tory and criticize another Tory.) Just curious what exactly you think Noel meant by calling Harry "woke." What makes Harry woke? It's not being a Prince, so what is it?
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Post by bt95 on Jun 11, 2021 11:11:46 GMT -5
Just as an aside, I should have added this into my initial comment to @nyr, isn't this the same Piers Morgan that spent all last year lambasting the Tories for their shite response to COVID, and then had socialists kind of tied up in knots because they had to agree with him by default. He's a prick, like, but just saying, not sure calling a Prince a snowflake or woke makes you a Tory. Just like Noel calling Boris Johnson a 'fat vagina' in an interview last week doesn't suddenly make him a socialist. Don't think anyone was tied up in knots. There's no contradiction in agreeing that Johnson's response to Covid unnecessarily killed thousands and thinking Piers Morgan is a racist, elitist ass. None at all. As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. (Also Morgan himself has identified as a Tory -- shockingly you can be a Tory and criticize another Tory.) Just curious what exactly you think Noel meant by calling Harry "woke." What makes Harry woke? It's not being a Prince, so what is it? I think Noel, like a lot of other people his age - my dad being one of them btw - tends to use the term 'woke' when they don't really know what it means. Though, there is definitely an element of truth about the 'cancel culture' thing, even if it's a term that is far too broad and used as trying to justify people saying bad things. I don't think that's a good thing, btw. I don't actually think Harry is 'woke', he just seems a bit of a hypocrite to me, in the way it all happened. That's about as much as I can manage to care about the whole thing. I imagine Noel probably cares even less, but he just said how it came across to him, and that was 'Harry just came across as a typical woke effin snowflake' or whatever he said. I don't think he knows anything about it or cares to know anything about it, but when has that ever stopped Noel Gallagher saying something?
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Post by beentherenow on Jun 11, 2021 11:12:33 GMT -5
Noel has gone down massively in my estimation, so much so I will not go see him live again nor am I interested in anything he has to say or is up to, Doing an exclusive front page interview for The Scum is as low as it can possibly get. I am not a Scouser or a Liverpool fan but I know the difference between right and wrong and so should he. He’s in a band with scousers and has spoken in the past about Thatchers government being held accountable for Hillsborough and then does this. Honestly fuck off Noel and anyone claiming he wouldn’t know where it would go is either naive or blinded by loyalty This is my point. You've seen him and Liam plenty of times I guess, and these are people that at the start of, and during, their careers have said some horrendous things. You're willing to forgive the AIDS comment. Yeah it was fine for Liam to say 'some panhead who needs stabbing'. You're willing to forget all the horrid stuff they said in the 2000s? Yet doing an interview with the S*n is what breaks it for you? I can't do with double standards. All those things were said in the heat of the moment. Everyone with a mic shoved in their face under the influence of alcohol, drugs or just plain pissed off can spout bile. I am not condoning them as they are awful comments by let’s face it far from perfect people. No one here is saying Noel and Liam have always been saints and this is a bolt from the blue. But this interview is a considered, calculated act for a deplorable publication which is synonymous with some of the most disgraceful callous acts in ‘journalism’ history. This act more than any of those horrible comments he’s said in the past just shows the man he has become. Due to my personal opinions on said publication this has hit pretty hard. Not saying others should follow suit but this are my feelings on the matter
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Post by bt95 on Jun 11, 2021 11:13:56 GMT -5
This is my point. You've seen him and Liam plenty of times I guess, and these are people that at the start of, and during, their careers have said some horrendous things. You're willing to forgive the AIDS comment. Yeah it was fine for Liam to say 'some panhead who needs stabbing'. You're willing to forget all the horrid stuff they said in the 2000s? Yet doing an interview with the S*n is what breaks it for you? I can't do with double standards. All those things were said in the heat of the moment. Everyone with a mic shoved in their face under the influence of alcohol, drugs or just plain pissed off can spout bile. I am not condoning them as they are awful comments by let’s face it far from perfect people. No one here is saying Noel and Liam have always been saints and this is a bolt from the blue. But this interview is a considered, calculated act for a deplorable publication which is synonymous with some of the most disgraceful callous acts in ‘journalism’ history. This act more than any of those horrible comments he’s said in the past just shows the man he has become. I'm pretty sure they said stuff in the 2000s that weren't under the influence of booze or drugs and in interviews that had been planned beforehand. It's double standards.
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Post by beentherenow on Jun 11, 2021 11:16:32 GMT -5
All those things were said in the heat of the moment. Everyone with a mic shoved in their face under the influence of alcohol, drugs or just plain pissed off can spout bile. I am not condoning them as they are awful comments by let’s face it far from perfect people. No one here is saying Noel and Liam have always been saints and this is a bolt from the blue. But this interview is a considered, calculated act for a deplorable publication which is synonymous with some of the most disgraceful callous acts in ‘journalism’ history. This act more than any of those horrible comments he’s said in the past just shows the man he has become. I'm pretty sure they said stuff in the 2000s that weren't under the influence of booze or drugs and in interviews that had been planned beforehand. It's double standards. It’s also my opinion based of my feelings for the publication. I understand you have a different one and good health to you but don’t try and shoot everyone down for feeling strongly on this
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Post by dampcottage on Jun 11, 2021 11:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 11, 2021 11:50:11 GMT -5
I am also team William. I am not team The Scum. . I am team cake, any time
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 11, 2021 12:12:28 GMT -5
I knew this couldn’t be the first time there was a Sun interview. Looks like people needed to stop supporting them a few years back.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 11, 2021 12:12:40 GMT -5
I am also team William. I am not team The Scum. . I am team cake, any time #TeamCow
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 11, 2021 12:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by vespa on Jun 11, 2021 12:29:41 GMT -5
You do realise that half the ‘interviews ‘ are just quoted by a general press release and interview session then bits are sent out. All newspapers are shite but they also make celebrities a lot of money , people really going over board and don’t get started on the hillsbrough incident , it’s just a quoted interview, and as for the Harry quotes he’s just quoting what the British public feel
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 11, 2021 12:34:54 GMT -5
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Post by dampcottage on Jun 11, 2021 12:40:08 GMT -5
I knew this couldn’t be the first time there was a Sun interview. Looks like people needed to stop supporting them a few years back. Exactly.Easy enough to find an absolute shit load of them, particularly interesting one of Liam and patsy kensit...in both the sun and the daily telegraph
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 11, 2021 12:40:55 GMT -5
I knew this couldn’t be the first time there was a Sun interview. Looks like people needed to stop supporting them a few years back. Exactly.Easy enough to find an absolute shit load of them, particularly interesting one of Liam and patsy kensit...in both the sun and the daily telegraph We need to organise a public burning of oasis records.
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Post by dampcottage on Jun 11, 2021 12:43:19 GMT -5
Exactly.Easy enough to find an absolute shit load of them, particularly interesting one of Liam and patsy kensit...in both the sun and the daily telegraph We need to organise a public burning of oasis records. ride, hurricane#1 and heavy stereo...
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 11, 2021 12:48:50 GMT -5
We need to organise a public burning of oasis records. ride, hurricane#1 and heavy stereo... All 7 Beady Eye albums that were sold!
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 11, 2021 13:13:59 GMT -5
It's not just doing an interview for them, it's calling someone a "woke snowflake", like a boomer on Twitter with the Union Jack in their profile. It was virtue-signalling last week, as well - he sounds like a 13-year-old who's started watching Ben Shapiro videos. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we get some John-Cleese-style "The immigrants are alright, but at what point does it stop being England?" takes from him in the future. Still have the image of his "too many people will die because of freedom of movement in Europe" quote burned into my brain.
Oh, well. At this point I could count on one hand how many of my favourite artists I don't consider to be at least knobheads. I'll take all the new-age hippy platitudes Chris Martin comes out with over this. Bon Iver seems alright, too. Just got to hope that Noel's music continues to express the more joyful sides of his personality and doesn't become a conduit for the bitterness that his interviews put on display more and more often these days.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 11, 2021 13:23:08 GMT -5
I'm team animal. Anyway, good grief Noel decides to do an interview with the worst newspaper of them all, The Scum. The only thing that paper is fit for is loo paper and I would never read it even if someone bought me a copy. 😠👎👎👎
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