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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 31, 2020 23:15:43 GMT -5
Reckon we'll ever get this in a finished form? He might not bother. Good enough tune though. Stop slaggin off about Xmas tunes and pandemic tunes etc. Both brothers are doing it and its just nice to have so much music being released x Oh he will definitely finish this off proper. I feel like Noel has been recording with like 4-5 people only. Including engineers and production. He might add or subtract on many many songs. I’m expecting a mix of classic Noel and MOON noel. |
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Post by Binary Sunset on Dec 31, 2020 23:51:24 GMT -5
Nice little tune. I think it deserves a proper recording. Hopefully he doesn't end up with the Dream On plodding drum sound I can hear happening, but it was nice to give the fans this
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Post by Rolo on Jan 1, 2021 4:38:42 GMT -5
Done a little cover of it if anyone is interested. Had to lower the key a lot to suit my voice but think it still works.
Love this tune.
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Post by Rolo on Jan 1, 2021 4:40:57 GMT -5
You know what I don't get.. What's wrong with a song just being classic Noel these days? Why isn't it good enough or claimed to be to safe or lacking if there isn't some element of "experimentation" or whatever you want to call it. This song may be nothing new and very samey to what he's done before but what is wrong with that exactly? Who Built The Moon? and his EP's achieved something different and that's cool but I think it's refreshing to hear him go back to his old sound. That is what made us huge fans in the first place anyway is it not? This is an interesting point. I'd have thought the sound that made us all huge fans was the ear-bursting walls of guitars you can find on Definitely Maybe, rather than the sound of a track such as this one - I imagine it's perfectly possible to be a massive Oasis fan and yet find the typical style of the High Flying Birds to be a bit tepid, even though I'm generally a fan of Noel's solo stuff myself. I do agree that there's nothing wrong with Noel doing a track that isn't experimental, though. I just think he can do one that's better than this - take You Know We Can't Go Back or Dead in the Water, for instance. Both are what might be described as "classic Noel", I enjoy both, and I think both are just better songs than this. Or Wandering Star. Noel is capable of great tunes in his classic style, great tunes in his "cosmic" style, and less-than-great songs in both. For me, this files under less-than-great-classic-Noel. But it's a demo, so I'm not too mithered - like the EPs or Don't Stop, having them is better than getting nothing, even if they were never going to set the world on fire. I'd give this a 6/10. I do agree with you overall. I just meant that even Definitely Maybe songs were mostly driven by melody which is what I mean by classic Noel. His EP stuff kind of lost that in my opinion, it was more about the production than the actual tunes. |
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Post by matt on Jan 1, 2021 4:58:33 GMT -5
Sounds like something off the Toy Story soundtrack. Hope this is a compliment I'd hope so, Randy Newman's a great songwriter! |
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Post by matt on Jan 1, 2021 5:08:07 GMT -5
This is an interesting point. I'd have thought the sound that made us all huge fans was the ear-bursting walls of guitars you can find on Definitely Maybe, rather than the sound of a track such as this one - I imagine it's perfectly possible to be a massive Oasis fan and yet find the typical style of the High Flying Birds to be a bit tepid, even though I'm generally a fan of Noel's solo stuff myself. I do agree that there's nothing wrong with Noel doing a track that isn't experimental, though. I just think he can do one that's better than this - take You Know We Can't Go Back or Dead in the Water, for instance. Both are what might be described as "classic Noel", I enjoy both, and I think both are just better songs than this. Or Wandering Star. Noel is capable of great tunes in his classic style, great tunes in his "cosmic" style, and less-than-great songs in both. For me, this files under less-than-great-classic-Noel. But it's a demo, so I'm not too mithered - like the EPs or Don't Stop, having them is better than getting nothing, even if they were never going to set the world on fire. I'd give this a 6/10. I do agree with you overall. I just meant that even Definitely Maybe songs were mostly driven by melody which is what I mean by classic Noel. His EP stuff kind of lost that in my opinion, it was more about the production than the actual tunes. They are melodic, but I think a large part is to do with pacing. It's too mid-tempo, too plodding. These terms are almost overused to the point of being trite but it's largely true of Noel's melodic songs of late. Instrumentation is a big issue too - I expect a kaleidoscopic sonic world in the vain of Who Built The Moon to compensate for Noel's non-descript vocals. He's a fine singer no doubt but when you're used to Liam singing, you need to throw more ingredients into the mix once he's not there (e.g. the shimmering guitars of It's A Beautiful World, the wall of sound of Holy Mountain, the heavy hip hop style drums of Fort Knox). This is just drudgery and workmanlike. You can see what he's getting at with the sentiments and melodies expressed in these songs but it lacks the bite and verve of earlier work. He needs to mix up the rhythms - this is something David Holmes was quoted by politely noting that most of his tunes were mid tempo back in 2016, a year before Who Built The Moon which delivered on the variety. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 1, 2021 6:25:02 GMT -5
I guess it's different for everyone, but what made me an Oasis fan was Noel's incredible melodic talent and Liam's voice and attitude. All these vague discussions about 'production' from people that I strongly suspect have never been close to a recording studio never stop to amaze me. I know profesional sound engineers far less categorical about how drums sound in a final mix than the guys in this forum That said, if David Holmes is available for producing Noel's next album, I am 150% up for it. Two amazing talents in a studio is always better than one, and I still think WBTM is Noel's best since 2000 I never mentioned production, though? The "sound" of Oasis is more than that - it's Liam's voice, the energy, the arrangement of those early tunes. That's what made me a fan. My point is more that "not-experimental" does not equal "good melody". I think Noel has plenty of great melodies in his traditional HFB style, plenty of great melodies in his "cosmic" style, and plenty of not-great melodies in both. For me, this is just a bit of a mediocre tune. It's alright, but it sounds like a song I've heard from Noel before (and I mean the melody, not the production) and it doesn't have the quality to stand out from that background. I certainly wouldn't compare it to the melodies that made me an Oasis fan. Like I said, though, it's only a demo, so I don't want to burn Noel at the stake for it. Nice to have, glad people enjoy it, but doesn't do much for me. It is a shame how almost every discussion about new Noel output turns into "production stuff vs good old fashioned melodies" at some point, though. It's a tired argument and ends up with people just misrepresenting each other's points. For example - it's perfectly possible to discuss the production of a track without being a professional producer in much the same way as it's okay to discuss the lyrics of a song without being Bob Dylan. Both production and melody matter in music, and for me this doesn't really deliver on either front. But that's alright, I'll just wait for the next tune and see if that grabs me more. It's all love. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 1, 2021 6:37:49 GMT -5
Reckon we'll ever get this in a finished form? He might not bother. Good enough tune though. Stop slaggin off about Xmas tunes and pandemic tunes etc. Both brothers are doing it and its just nice to have so much music being released x Oh he will definitely finish this off proper. I feel like Noe has been recording with like 4-5 people only. Including engineers and production. He might add or subtract on many many songs. I’m expecting a mix of classic Noel and MOON noel. Pretty much this |
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Post by dazed on Jan 1, 2021 6:41:41 GMT -5
Gives me wandering star vibes, meaning that there are nice hooks in this but it ultimately feels empty and unfinished, needs Liam I think.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 1, 2021 6:51:32 GMT -5
This is an interesting point. I'd have thought the sound that made us all huge fans was the ear-bursting walls of guitars you can find on Definitely Maybe, rather than the sound of a track such as this one - I imagine it's perfectly possible to be a massive Oasis fan and yet find the typical style of the High Flying Birds to be a bit tepid, even though I'm generally a fan of Noel's solo stuff myself. I do agree that there's nothing wrong with Noel doing a track that isn't experimental, though. I just think he can do one that's better than this - take You Know We Can't Go Back or Dead in the Water, for instance. Both are what might be described as "classic Noel", I enjoy both, and I think both are just better songs than this. Or Wandering Star. Noel is capable of great tunes in his classic style, great tunes in his "cosmic" style, and less-than-great songs in both. For me, this files under less-than-great-classic-Noel. But it's a demo, so I'm not too mithered - like the EPs or Don't Stop, having them is better than getting nothing, even if they were never going to set the world on fire. I'd give this a 6/10. I do agree with you overall. I just meant that even Definitely Maybe songs were mostly driven by melody which is what I mean by classic Noel. His EP stuff kind of lost that in my opinion, it was more about the production than the actual tunes. The thing is, I think on some of the tunes it was actually deliberate, that's why they were EPs and not an album, he was working out stuff As for the song itself obviously it's all down to taste, I find this more enjoyable than YKWCGB, with more interesting melodic bits and all, but everyone has its own opinion What's weird for me is seeing how many people around the internet are going with the "tired 4 chords" or the other flip of the coin "oh finally no more dance EDM space Jazz (really?) thing" to base their judgement, I get preferring one genre or style over another, but not to the point when it's the only way to determine the quality of a song Now I quoted you two but you were just a starting point for the first rant of 2021  |
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Post by glider on Jan 1, 2021 8:26:32 GMT -5
David Essex - Hold Me Close 🤫
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Post by glider on Jan 1, 2021 8:29:28 GMT -5
Reckon we'll ever get this in a finished form? He might not bother. Good enough tune though. Stop slaggin off about Xmas tunes and pandemic tunes etc. Both brothers are doing it and its just nice to have so much music being released x Oh he will definitely finish this off proper. I feel like Noe has been recording with like 4-5 people only. Including engineers and production. He might add or subtract on many many songs. I’m expecting a mix of classic Noel and MOON noel. Sounds like it's begging for a Sardy production 😁 |
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Post by walterglass on Jan 1, 2021 9:14:25 GMT -5
David Essex - Hold Me Close 🤫 We all thought it, I think. But once your musical tastes hit a certain depth you can do that with almost any song. |
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Post by knownoname on Jan 1, 2021 9:50:06 GMT -5
I've been listening to it on repeat for hours. It really touches me - cheesy lyrics or not, it does resonate..I was not able to go home to see family and my best friends for over a year now, instead I am thousands of kilometers and multiple time zones away. The vibe of the song gives me really emotional feelings, in a hopeful, melancholic way. Especially the "Life is a trip that you don't take twice" line, maybe cause I'm questioning my work/life choice so far away from home really in-depth since the pandemic started and bonds to home are certainly not getting stronger by being away for years...
Anyway, I love the track and a salute to Noel, for putting this out there during this time.
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Post by NY on Jan 1, 2021 10:48:15 GMT -5
it's a good song.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2021 13:04:53 GMT -5
“Life is a trip you don’t take twice.”
A good line.
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Post by importantlyidle on Jan 1, 2021 14:09:42 GMT -5
I think it's brilliant as a demo, I have been critical of Noel since the last album but this is a catchy little song 😎
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 1, 2021 14:37:21 GMT -5
It's just a shame that the song isn't available on all of the streaming sites as that would make it even better because not everyone listens to music on YouTube. I don't so I had to download it to hear it. It may be a sign that this is gonna get a proper release later, would be weird to have a demo officially out before the song itself, and also that this was just a little gift in such times. This way it's a win win for everyone, we get something new and tied to what we're living, Noel puts his name out there again (and gets a fairly positive reaction overall from what I've read) without putting too much pressure on the song Yeah, it could be and personally I think it would be a shame if Noel doesn't do something else with the song at some point as it would be great to hear a proper finished version of the song rather than just leave it as a demo. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 1, 2021 14:53:37 GMT -5
I think that even if Noel doesn't want to put the song on his next album he could just release it as a one off single. I know he did those EPs back in 2019 but this doesn't have to be a 12' single even he could just release it as a 7' vinyl and a streaming single.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2021 15:35:19 GMT -5
I think that even if Noel doesn't want to put the song on his next album he could just release it as a one off single. I know he did those EPs back in 2019 but this doesn't have to be a 12' single even he could just release it as a 7' vinyl and a streaming single. I was almost expecting to wake up today to vinyl pre orders. Mind Games as the b-side. Love that artwork too! |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jan 1, 2021 16:05:24 GMT -5
“Life is a trip you don’t take twice.” True - you only get to do it once. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 1, 2021 17:24:41 GMT -5
I think that even if Noel doesn't want to put the song on his next album he could just release it as a one off single. I know he did those EPs back in 2019 but this doesn't have to be a 12' single even he could just release it as a 7' vinyl and a streaming single. I was almost expecting to wake up today to vinyl pre orders. Mind Games as the b-side. Love that artwork too! It was just a thought as I think it's a great idea especially as it could be ages before we get a new album anyway. Why not do what Liam did and release it as a one off single. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 1, 2021 17:53:36 GMT -5
Nearly 200k (190) in less than 48 hours seems good?
It only being on youtube probably helps the count
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Post by Marissa on Jan 1, 2021 19:00:32 GMT -5
cute, classic noel.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2021 21:43:09 GMT -5
Nearly 200k (190) in less than 48 hours seems good? It only being on youtube probably helps the count Drops in the ocean. |
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