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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 13, 2020 16:21:48 GMT -5
I still find it really odd that two grown men around the age of fifty cannot patch things up. And I really like both of them as music artists I am not trying to insult them. It's just when there is the opportunity to make so much money off of reuniting as a band I'd think that an opportunity like that would at least interest the brothers in working things out. I find that as people grow older they don't lose their baggage at all. If anything, they become even more themselves, with all their natural quirks amplified. Especially two wealthy, adored people who can work at will and are "freeeeeee to be whatever ..." That said, it's clearly not that they cannot patch things up. It's that they don't have a strong enough desire to do what it would take. Getting older definitely doesn't change having red lines. |
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Post by sheisloved on Dec 13, 2020 23:14:19 GMT -5
The Pros heavily outweigh the cons in regards to a reunion.
This isn't coming from a fans perspective. It's just fact. There is no better time than now. Do a shorter world tour in just the big key spots.. Canada 1 stop in Toronto at Roger's Center/Skydome.
No need for Montreal/Vancouver etc. They can all travel to Toronto.
In the states they can do New York/Chicago/LA
Europe would obviously take the bulk of the load.
I would say Oasis popularity is at a high right now with a new serge of youth injected from Liam.
Noel's popularity is at its lowest imo right now.
Liam is on top right now....
Truly, and I'm not the mean type. Noel would be an idiot not to seize this moment. Financially passing on this is probably one of the stupidest decisions ever.
Honestly how bad can it be....he must really really hate Liam
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Post by andymorris on Dec 14, 2020 2:16:47 GMT -5
Shit, i missed an argument. Quick, find a way to start this again: Liam's hair made Oasis, Noel sucks.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 14, 2020 3:14:54 GMT -5
The Pros heavily outweigh the cons in regards to a reunion. This isn't coming from a fans perspective. It's just fact. There is no better time than now. Do a shorter world tour in just the big key spots.. Canada 1 stop in Toronto at Roger's Center/Skydome. No need for Montreal/Vancouver etc. They can all travel to Toronto. In the states they can do New York/Chicago/LA Europe would obviously take the bulk of the load. I would say Oasis popularity is at a high right now with a new serge of youth injected from Liam. Noel's popularity is at its lowest imo right now. Liam is on top right now.... Truly, and I'm not the mean type. Noel would be an idiot not to seize this moment. Financially passing on this is probably one of the stupidest decisions ever. Honestly how bad can it be....he must really really hate Liam He's probably doing alright financially isn't he? And I also believe if there's one moment he'd never do it it's when it'd look like he needs it more than Liam |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 14, 2020 4:30:22 GMT -5
Noel and Liam are making millions every year with oasis back catalogue. Both of them could take risks, only one of the does.
I’m glad Noel is refusing all this silly money to make silly tours tbh.
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Post by darmin on Dec 14, 2020 6:26:04 GMT -5
The Pros heavily outweigh the cons in regards to a reunion. This isn't coming from a fans perspective. It's just fact. There is no better time than now. Do a shorter world tour in just the big key spots.. Canada 1 stop in Toronto at Roger's Center/Skydome. No need for Montreal/Vancouver etc. They can all travel to Toronto. In the states they can do New York/Chicago/LA Europe would obviously take the bulk of the load. I would say Oasis popularity is at a high right now with a new serge of youth injected from Liam. Noel's popularity is at its lowest imo right now. Liam is on top right now.... Truly, and I'm not the mean type. Noel would be an idiot not to seize this moment. Financially passing on this is probably one of the stupidest decisions ever. Honestly how bad can it be....he must really really hate Liam I think that the best time for the reunion was One Love concert 2017. Just imagine all the good press and hype. Then announce not very long world tour. Liam with well rested 2017 voice, hungry for touring... They d be cool af, cement their legacy, bring new fans. And stop after that. Oh well. Another missed opportunity for Oasis. And I’m not talking about financial side of things. W right pr approach more ppl would discover Oasis and listen to their music. And that would be win for them. Now is like 2nd or 3rd best time for the reunion, still a good opportunity tho. But you are right, this door is slowly closing I think. They are getting older and Oasis isn’t RS. Personally I don’t want the reunion, so it’s just thoughts, not from a fan perspective |
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Post by darmin on Dec 14, 2020 7:24:36 GMT -5
Noel and Liam are making millions every year with oasis back catalogue. Both of them could take risks, only one of the does. I’m glad Noel is refusing all this silly money to make silly tours tbh. Ok I’ll bite. I doubt Liam is making millions w oasis back catalogue. He doesn’t own publishing rights, he didn’t write songs (I’m talking about first three albums ofc), no ad money, and so on. And he said that he doesn’t get money for merch I think (not sure about it). He collects nice check every year methinks, but definitely not millions, that’s for Noel. About risking... What risks does Noel take? He’s very rich, one or two albums being unsuccessful would hurt his ego, not his wallet, at least not considerably. I’m sure his ego is hurting very much and he doesn’t like it, but he can tell himself that stupid oasis fans just don’t get real art and carry on, idk for how long. Btw talking about taking risks and trying new things, Robbie Williams is gonna release EDM album next year so if you stan 50yo DJs here’s another one |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 14, 2020 7:49:34 GMT -5
About risking... What risks does Noel take? He’s very rich, one or two albums being unsuccessful would hurt his ego, not his wallet, at least not considerably. It's a risk because tours and all investments are his money. Liam's investments are Warner's, so Noel is risking more with every new release. And Noel is making risky music, Liam is playing it safe. That can hurt ticket sales which is where the money is now. The tour industry revolves around best-of tour and the WBTM was clearly risky since people weren't too interested in the new material. As for Liam not making money from Oasis back catalogue... he is, although obviously far less than Noel. They made 5,4 millions pounds last year alone with Oasis (Big Brother Recordings) + Oasis Merchandising Ltd made 107 000 £. Wild guess, let's say Liam pockets 30% and Noel 70% (It's impossible to know what deal they have), that's still 1,7 million pounds for doing fuck all (before tax, but still). Even 10% is still 500.000 pounds for a couch-lockdown year. BB belongs to both of them and i doubt Liam is getting fucked by Noel in this deal. And it's been like since Oasis broke up. It was probably more with DM and MG anniversary reissues. 2020 is a slow year. I think we discussed this in another thread few years back but now BB recordings probably has rights to all Oasis catalogue, so revenus could increase a bit more with more re-releases. I take Liam's comments about money whith a pinch of salt since he's made the last few year about the poor him being out of money and miserable and rising from the ashes, when clearly, that is not the case. It doesn't rain money like in the 90s, but it's far from being the dole. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 14, 2020 7:50:01 GMT -5
Noel and Liam are making millions every year with oasis back catalogue. Both of them could take risks, only one of the does. I’m glad Noel is refusing all this silly money to make silly tours tbh. Ok I’ll bite. I doubt Liam is making millions w oasis back catalogue. He doesn’t own publishing rights, he didn’t write songs (I’m talking about first three albums ofc), no ad money, and so on. And he said that he doesn’t get money for merch I think (not sure about it). He collects nice check every year methinks, but definitely not millions, that’s for Noel. About risking... What risks does Noel take? He’s very rich, one or two albums being unsuccessful would hurt his ego, not his wallet, at least not considerably. I’m sure his ego is hurting very much and he doesn’t like it, but he can tell himself that stupid oasis fans just don’t get real art and carry on, idk for how long. Btw talking about taking risks and trying new things, Robbie Williams is gonna release EDM album next year so if you stan 50yo DJs here’s another one Not a great bite |
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Post by darmin on Dec 14, 2020 14:53:54 GMT -5
About risking... What risks does Noel take? He’s very rich, one or two albums being unsuccessful would hurt his ego, not his wallet, at least not considerably. It's a risk because tours and all investments are his money. Liam's investments are Warner's, so Noel is risking more with every new release. And Noel is making risky music, Liam is playing it safe. That can hurt ticket sales which is where the money is now. The tour industry revolves around best-of tour and the WBTM was clearly risky since people weren't too interested in the new material. As for Liam not making money from Oasis back catalogue... he is, although obviously far less than Noel. They made 5,4 millions pounds last year alone with Oasis (Big Brother Recordings) + Oasis Merchandising Ltd made 107 000 £. Wild guess, let's say Liam pockets 30% and Noel 70% (It's impossible to know what deal they have), that's still 1,7 million pounds for doing fuck all (before tax, but still). Even 10% is still 500.000 pounds for a couch-lockdown year. BB belongs to both of them and i doubt Liam is getting fucked by Noel in this deal. And it's been like since Oasis broke up. It was probably more with DM and MG anniversary reissues. 2020 is a slow year. I think we discussed this in another thread few years back but now BB recordings probably has rights to all Oasis catalogue, so revenus could increase a bit more with more re-releases. I take Liam's comments about money whith a pinch of salt since he's made the last few year about the poor him being out of money and miserable and rising from the ashes, when clearly, that is not the case. It doesn't rain money like in the 90s, but it's far from being the dole. I didn’t say that Liam’s not getting any money from oasis stuff.. I don’t think he was poor, that’s laughable. He lived quite comfortably w/o any job, I wish I was so poor lol. I just disputed your words about millions. I vaguely remember that I read somewhere that Liam before going solo lived in rented apartment, that means he couldn’t buy it back then, right? So millions every year is out of question I think. Idk why you talk about Noel’s risks and financial loses. WBTM tour and Noel’s 2019 tour were profitable it seems. In the worst case it’ll be break even. Plus revenues from all the oasis stuff. He’s already rich so no need to worry about money that much. About Liam. He already took the risks, w BE and he didn’t like the outcome. Then he decided to do it another way, took the risks and he likes how it worked out so far. That’s all |
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Post by darmin on Dec 14, 2020 15:02:41 GMT -5
Ok I’ll bite. I doubt Liam is making millions w oasis back catalogue. He doesn’t own publishing rights, he didn’t write songs (I’m talking about first three albums ofc), no ad money, and so on. And he said that he doesn’t get money for merch I think (not sure about it). He collects nice check every year methinks, but definitely not millions, that’s for Noel. About risking... What risks does Noel take? He’s very rich, one or two albums being unsuccessful would hurt his ego, not his wallet, at least not considerably. I’m sure his ego is hurting very much and he doesn’t like it, but he can tell himself that stupid oasis fans just don’t get real art and carry on, idk for how long. Btw talking about taking risks and trying new things, Robbie Williams is gonna release EDM album next year so if you stan 50yo DJs here’s another one Not a great bite 🧛♀️ |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 14, 2020 16:08:50 GMT -5
Noel and Liam are making millions every year with oasis back catalogue. Both of them could take risks, only one of the does. I’m glad Noel is refusing all this silly money to make silly tours tbh. To be fair, Noel owns nearly al the publishing and makes oodles more money off the catalogue than Liam does (or ever did.) Edit: Sorry, missed that darmin made the same point above, but it's still true. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 14, 2020 16:21:43 GMT -5
I didn’t say that Liam’s not getting any money from oasis stuff.. I don’t think he was poor, that’s laughable. He lived quite comfortably w/o any job, I wish I was so poor lol. Liam also could have at several different points cashed in on his very public persona (hell, even too-cool Lou Reed stooped to doing Honda ads for some fast cash) but to his credit he never was interested in going down that road. I think both brothers care about the legacy of Oasis (and of the Brothers Gallagher.) Even more than their bank accounts. (That said, all the very wealthy people I know, and I'm not one, wouldn't mind having more once they get it, because yes, the more you have the easier some, not all, parts of life get. "The power is measured by the pound" as the song saiid.) |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 15, 2020 1:42:08 GMT -5
WBTM tour and Noel’s 2019 tour were profitable it seems. In the worst case it’ll be break even. Plus revenues from all the oasis stuff. He’s already rich so no need to worry about money that much. About Liam. He already took the risks, w BE and he didn’t like the outcome. Then he decided to do it another way, took the risks and he likes how it worked out so far. That’s all Saying WBTM was not a risk after it was successful is like putting the horse before the cart. Rewind to 2017. It was a risk. A big risk. Noel could just go with the flow and release NGHFB records like the first one, tour arenas and play only what people like. WBTM tour wasn't that at all. All the time he's doing something, it's his money. Liam did take a risk with Beady Eye (career risk, not financial, again, since it was on a label), he does not anymore and plays the game to the letter : gigs, records, social media, patting fans on the back and giving them what they want. he's in the comfort zone. Is it bad ? No, that's not what we are talking about here. It's just financially very safe. That's all i'm saying. If Liam lived in a rented appartment for a while, that's because of his disastrous personnal life, not because of any risk taken on a career level. He's got 3 families to feed  . Liam does a lot, a lot of Money from Oasis each year, the number i just showed are proof enough. If you think Liam doesn't get much from Big Brothers royalties, fine, that's your opinion. That deal was signed long ago. It was a time when both brothers had the same interests in mind, early 2000. I highly doubt he signed for peanuts. Or Oasis would have broken up way before 2009. If he's not got as much money as used to now is because alimony. Nothing else. Noel and Liam are making millions every year with oasis back catalogue. Both of them could take risks, only one of the does. I’m glad Noel is refusing all this silly money to make silly tours tbh. To be fair, Noel owns nearly al the publishing and makes oodles more money off the catalogue than Liam does (or ever did.) Edit: Sorry, missed that darmin made the same point above, but it's still true. Yes, Noel makes wayyy more than Noel (1 to 10 probably), but what the deal signed by BB recordings probably corrected that for later albums, + he had songwriting credits on those records. We dont know for sure how much, but i believe it's more balanced now than it was in 99. I'm just saying Liam has been financially confortable ever since Oasis started. He's lost a lot after his divorce, but that has nothing to do with risk taking. It's just stupid life decisions. He recovered pretty quickly, thanx to the Oasis back catalogue selling well and the deal in place. Oasis made roughly 5 millions in 2020 with almost no big release, so imagine a year (like 2015) with a big one (remaster...etc). |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 15, 2020 3:24:22 GMT -5
Yes, Noel makes wayyy more than Noel (1 to 10 probably), but what the deal signed by BB recordings probably corrected that for later albums, + he had songwriting credits on those records. We dont know for sure how much, but i believe it's more balanced now than it was in 99. I'm just saying Liam has been financially confortable ever since Oasis started. He's lost a lot after his divorce, but that has nothing to do with risk taking. It's just stupid life decisions. He recovered pretty quickly, thanx to the Oasis back catalogue selling well and the deal in place. Oasis made roughly 5 millions in 2020 with almost no big release, so imagine a year (like 2015) with a big one (remaster...etc). Not in any real position to analyze Liam's finances, so I guess I won't play forensic accountant, lol. He does have a lot of children and exes, but then so do a lot of people. He's obviously doing just fine (especially in comparison to oh, say, a gigantic chunk of the world right now). He's also said in song and elsewhere that he's deeply satisfied with what he's got, and I'll take him at his word. (With the caveat that being deeply satisfied with what you've got doesn't mean you would turn down more!) The main point in regards to a reunion is that we all agree they have not profited equally from the Oasis catalog. Ergo, the situation isn't level. Liam would likely jump a category financially (whether or not this is a motivating factor) from the touring and licensing income from a real Oasis reunion, whereas to Noel it'd probably be just another bit of cream on the top. Myself, I've always been agnostic on the reunion. If they both want it and it happens, I'll be interested in how the story goes. If they never want it and it never happens, I'll be interested in how the story goes. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 15, 2020 7:24:34 GMT -5
Yes, Noel makes wayyy more than Noel (1 to 10 probably), but what the deal signed by BB recordings probably corrected that for later albums, + he had songwriting credits on those records. We dont know for sure how much, but i believe it's more balanced now than it was in 99. I'm just saying Liam has been financially confortable ever since Oasis started. He's lost a lot after his divorce, but that has nothing to do with risk taking. It's just stupid life decisions. He recovered pretty quickly, thanx to the Oasis back catalogue selling well and the deal in place. Oasis made roughly 5 millions in 2020 with almost no big release, so imagine a year (like 2015) with a big one (remaster...etc). Not in any real position to analyze Liam's finances, so I guess I won't play forensic accountant, lol. He does have a lot of children and exes, but then so do a lot of people. He's obviously doing just fine (especially in comparison to oh, say, a gigantic chunk of the world right now). He's also said in song and elsewhere that he's deeply satisfied with what he's got, and I'll take him at his word. (With the caveat that being deeply satisfied with what you've got doesn't mean you would turn down more!) Yeah fully agree, my point was just that Noel takes more financial and career risks than Liam really, although i gotta admit Noel can take more risks since he's 10 times wealthier. But still a risk, his money. It wasn't a win/win 3 years ago when WBTM was released, the divide between fans is a proof of that. Even his solo career, i mean lots of Oasis fans are Liam's fans. Many more than Noel's. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 15, 2020 14:35:46 GMT -5
Oasis are over and done with. There'll never be reunion which is a good thing in my book. Besides Noel and Liam don't need each other anymore and are better apart. Non-sequitur - I don’t know why, but I thought you were a new member. But you’ve been around for almost 6 years! 😲 |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 15, 2020 16:14:16 GMT -5
Yeah fully agree, my point was just that Noel takes more financial and career risks than Liam really, although i gotta admit Noel can take more risks since he's 10 times wealthier. But still a risk, his money. It wasn't a win/win 3 years ago when WBTM was released, the divide between fans is a proof of that. Even his solo career, i mean lots of Oasis fans are Liam's fans. Many more than Noel's. I'm not sure if I see Noel really as a risk-taker. I think he's a writer who has the rare freedom to write whatever the f he wants and is just doing that. He's still writing pretty much what I expect Noel to write at this stage of things ... nothing that out there ... were he to write say a rock opera or a full symphony or a country album ... then I'll happily go with risk-taker.  Liam was never a songwriter in his own mind. He's a better writer than he thinks he is, imho, but as a word person myself, I know you can't just muster that fire to write if it's not in you, blazing to get out. So that's not likely where he's going to take risks. Sure, he's doing the "watered-down Oasis" thing because it's what people want. It's not some massive act of bravery (although As You Were was a risk because had it not been well received, well, you only get a couple comeback chances before you're written off). But there's also something a little beautiful about his sense of gratitude/service to the fans who made him who he is. (And in the end, bringing Oasis to new generations is also good for Noel ... though this is rarely mentioned ...) Two different trajectories. But then that's why we have so much to talk about!  |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 16, 2020 1:40:12 GMT -5
Liam was never a songwriter in his own mind. He's a better writer than he thinks he is, imho, but as a word person myself, I know you can't just muster that fire to write if it's not in you, blazing to get out. So that's not likely where he's going to take risks. I dont know about Liam. I'd say he had it in him at some point. With a little help from Gem and Andy : Songbird, BOADC, Boy with the Blues, Soul Love, For anyone, the Morning son... those songs are up there with Noel's best. I mean, he's written better songs than some other acts that had career. His songs in Oasis and Beady Eye are proof to me that he could have become a respected songwriter, if he had put his mind to it 100%. But he hasn't, because of himself, his entourage and mostly... his fans. Most don't care who write the songs, so i guess he didn't bother, coz it's easier to just be a singer. But it's understandable, Liam has been taken care of all his life : mom to noel to patsy to nicole to debbie (and Andy and gem inbetween). He never once took care of his own business. That's why, to me he didn't took risks (except maybe as you said As You were which is half his songs, but that was a little risks since the big singles weren't his) Songwriting (melodies) more than words, is about discipline, it's like a muscle. don't exercice and you lose it. Some songs come right away, some takes work. Liam probably only has half of that, the songs that come in the moment, but they are rare. And that's not enough to become a complete songwriter. If people are happy with him singing Noel's tunes for another 20 years, then so be it, it can be interesting for younger ones as you said, although if you don't try something, then how can people be interested in the first place right ? I'm not really interested in nostalgia. Would i go see the Beatles live now if all were alive ? I doubt it if it was just for old tunes, i never saw Paul McCarney doing his best if tours for instance. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 16, 2020 2:48:24 GMT -5
Interesting analysis. I think of it in a slightly different way. Liam went from living in his mother's house to massive global fame in less than 2 years' time. There aren't very many human beings who have gone through something similar, and most of them have not survived it very well or at all. Noel had the advantage of having already lived an independent adult life (and I suspect was also a more cynical/armored person to begin with so he was more guarded against the wild ups and downs.) Anyway, to me that's one of the most fascinating parts of Liam (and really the best hook for any book to be written about him, unless it's a tour of pubs near recording studios.) But yeah, I'm sure that shaped how he acts in the world to some degree, whether you say "taken care of " or I say "has needed to feel safe and loved while he indulged in sheer chaos." Of course, one is more romantic, so obviously I picked that one. I do agree with you that Liam has written more good songs than many who devote entire careers to songwriting. Contrary to simple myth, the talent didn't exactly skip him, but as you say, he seems willing to wait for it to very occasionally hit him on the head, and even then he's quite happy to hand a half-finished tune over to somebody else. Lyrically, I know he's also said that he's reticent to reveal himself too much (although that's exactly what his best songs do.) But so it goes. We all are who we are. Who knows, maybe in five years, when it's harder to do the Oasis thing for adoring young crowds, he'll sit down and do the self-penned album you'd like to see. Or, possibly more likely than that scenario, maybe he'll sing one that Noel writes ... (I feel obligated to bring this back around to the thread-theme of a reunion) |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 16, 2020 5:19:21 GMT -5
Liam was never a songwriter in his own mind. He's a better writer than he thinks he is, imho, but as a word person myself, I know you can't just muster that fire to write if it's not in you, blazing to get out. So that's not likely where he's going to take risks. I dont know about Liam. I'd say he had it in him at some point. With a little help from Gem and Andy : Songbird, BOADC, Boy with the Blues, Soul Love, For anyone, the Morning son... those songs are up there with Noel's best. I mean, he's written better songs than some other acts that had career. His songs in Oasis and Beady Eye are proof to me that he could have become a respected songwriter, if he had put his mind to it 100%. But he hasn't, because of himself, his entourage and mostly... his fans. Most don't care who write the songs, so i guess he didn't bother, coz it's easier to just be a singer. But it's understandable, Liam has been taken care of all his life : mom to noel to patsy to nicole to debbie (and Andy and gem inbetween). He never once took care of his own business. That's why, to me he didn't took risks (except maybe as you said As You were which is half his songs, but that was a little risks since the big singles weren't his) Songwriting (melodies) more than words, is about discipline, it's like a muscle. don't exercice and you lose it. Some songs come right away, some takes work. Liam probably only has half of that, the songs that come in the moment, but they are rare. And that's not enough to become a complete songwriter. If people are happy with him singing Noel's tunes for another 20 years, then so be it, it can be interesting for younger ones as you said, although if you don't try something, then how can people be interested in the first place right ? I'm not really interested in nostalgia. Would i go see the Beatles live now if all were alive ? I doubt it if it was just for old tunes, i never saw Paul McCarney doing his best if tours for instance. Mmh, I do think you're a bit too optimistic towards Liam's songwriting His natural talent with melodies is remarkable, and he's written some great simple songs (wouldn't say they're up with Noel's best, but that's cos Noel's best could go toe to toe with virtually anyone), but on the long run that's something that we could get tired of very quickly, I do believe his stuff worked so well in the context of Oasis and to a lesser extent BE because it was occasional, but his bad stuff is usually very bad because he's doesn't have the craftmanship I do like the idea of an album fully written by him, because I'm more fascinated by songwriters, but I'm not sure I'd enjoy the end result He doesn't see himself as a songwriter, he doesn't have the passion and drive for it, and there's nothing wrong with that, I don't see him as some kind of wasted talent As long as he believes in what he's singing I'm fine with it |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 16, 2020 9:57:29 GMT -5
Are We ? Do we become what we want to be or do we become what we are supposed to be ? This is a philosophical question. Who knows, maybe in five years, when it's harder to do the Oasis thing for adoring young crowds, he'll sit down and do the self-penned album you'd like to see. Let's hope so. I was always optimistic about Liam's songwriting ever since HC, i thought his songs were the best of this record. Maybe it's too late now I dont know. Mmh, I do think you're a bit too optimistic towards Liam's songwriting... his bad stuff is usually very bad because he's doesn't have the craftmanship To me, that's because he never fully put his mind to it. He's still in early stages of songwriting, a beginner. Look at Noel's early songs, they were TERRIBLE. I truly believe he could have blossomed with more complex stuff. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 16, 2020 11:04:46 GMT -5
Mmh, I do think you're a bit too optimistic towards Liam's songwriting... his bad stuff is usually very bad because he's doesn't have the craftmanship To me, that's because he never fully put his mind to it. He's still in early stages of songwriting, a beginner. Look at Noel's early songs, they were TERRIBLE. I truly believe he could have blossomed with more complex stuff. It was terrible because too derivative, but they still had a solid structure, some nice guitar playing, and some of the chord changes that would have served him so well through the years Liam's songwriting is still at the same point after 20 years despite us basically hearing just the best stuff because he doesn't need to fill a record, he has some nice melodic ideas that work with heartfelt lyrics and quite simple sounding songs, but when those melodies are just average or good and not great it just falls short because he can't build anything around it, I'm not sure that could ever change in a big way, even if he put some more effort into it |
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Post by PepsiNebula on Dec 16, 2020 12:01:47 GMT -5
I do agree with you that Liam has written more good songs than many who devote entire careers to songwriting. Contrary to simple myth, the talent didn't exactly skip him, but as you say, he seems willing to wait for it to very occasionally hit him on the head, and even then he's quite happy to hand a half-finished tune over to somebody else. Lyrically, I know he's also said that he's reticent to reveal himself too much (although that's exactly what his best songs do.) This is so funny to me, because IMO his songs are much more revealing than Noel's, almost across the board. I find Noel a pretty opaque writer most of the time. I can make a decent guess at what mood he was going for, but a lot of the time I have no idea what subject prompted him to write the song or what most of the individual lines are actually saying, whereas with Liam you can listen to most of them and be like, well, this one's about his girlfriend, this one's about Noel, this one's about one of his kids, this one's about Noel... I actually really like that about Liam's songwriting, and it makes the songs more relatable to me. They feel very personal. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 16, 2020 18:01:17 GMT -5
This is so funny to me, because IMO his songs are much more revealing than Noel's, almost across the board. I find Noel a pretty opaque writer most of the time. I can make a decent guess at what mood he was going for, but a lot of the time I have no idea what subject prompted him to write the song or what most of the individual lines are actually saying, whereas with Liam you can listen to most of them and be like, well, this one's about his girlfriend, this one's about Noel, this one's about one of his kids, this one's about Noel... I actually really like that about Liam's songwriting, and it makes the songs more relatable to me. They feel very personal. Very much agree. Even in the early days, Noel's lyrical strength, beyond his cheeky nursery rhyming, and his uniquely joyful form of melancholy, was that very universal yearning to break away, to live a life far larger than what was promised. The lyrics became personal to people but were not (with a few obvious exceptions) personally revealing beyond the basics. Still true, but then sometimes along will come something like "Careful What You Wish For." And agree that Liam's very best songs (lyrically but also sometimes singing wise because he has so much raw emotionality in his voice even on a generic song) are his most personal. (Of course, we don't actually know on the many co-written songs, especially on WMWN, how much of the lyrics are his, but there is some fun in guessing.) For that reason I enjoy the @andymo(censored) wish that Liam would write a REALLY personal solo album (like say, his Plastic Ono Band, haha) ... even if for all the other reasons people have stated, I think it's possibly a greater pipe dream than a one-off or brief reunion. |
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