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Post by bt95 on Sept 21, 2020 16:20:36 GMT -5
Wow, that's a ludicrously dangerous statement. I don't agree with Noel saying he's not going to wear a mask, as i've said already. But, governments' inaction around the world and their haphazard approaches are much more to blame than the public. By and large people around the world have mostly done what they've been instructed to. Draconian measures that have crashed economies and left more people's lives in tatters than this virus would have done (but that's not to say they weren't needed). Blaming people for the failures of governments and the WHO (and China's secrecy) isn't really on. It's not even a remotely dangerous statement. It's a matter of fact. The governments are to blame for inaction, but the people themselves are to blame for ignoring the science or in some cases (when the government did act), ignoring the advice of their governments. They are to blame for ignoring the local mandates of their cities, or of the stores they go into. They are also to blame for spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories and actively encouraging anti-mask movements. The people will also be to blame when a vaccine is released and they refuse to get one and encourage others not to as well, resulting in more anti-vaxxers springing up in a time of a pandemic.
Governments are there just to give best advice when we're talking about democracy. Unless they lay down mandatory restrictions, it's always up to the people to follow. In China's case, they can force their people to wear masks. In Americas case, they can only advise that you do. There's little to no punishment if you don't. It's still up to the people to make the right decision. And the right decision has been clear since May, but largely still ignored, hence the resurgence of the first wave which doubled the amount of infections here. It's certainly the peoples failure, especially in a first world nation with the amount of internet access we have, there are no excuses for our failure. We knew the right course of action and a large selection of our citizens made sure to do the exact opposite for one bad reason or another.
I agree there must be some form of personal responsibility. But the governments and WHO let this thing get out of control and now have no way out of it.
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Post by Marissa on Sept 21, 2020 23:19:44 GMT -5
"normal" is gone and it's not coming back. ever. What do you mean? everyone needs to do themselves a favor and let go of the idea that we will ever "return to normal" because it is impossible. what has happened and will continue to happen this year has changed worldwide society forever. the covid threat won't be permanent but this concept of normalcy we had is a thing of the past. we need to move forward accordingly.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Sept 21, 2020 23:24:15 GMT -5
See that fence the Government put up along that crumbling cliff edge to stop people accidentally falling off? Noel thinks they didn't make it strong enough - so he's going to prove the Government's fence building incompetence by easily cutting a huge hole in that fence so anyone can get through. He may even take a stroll along that crumbling edge himself.
Clever Noel - that'll show 'em!
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 21, 2020 23:29:25 GMT -5
I’ve not really read a Noel interview since he kept retelling that same story about going out with Morrissey and writing Riverman when CY came out. Just lost interest, as a lot of you here have. He started coming off a lot less enjoyable to read than he was from the insightful SOTSOG period to the DOYS tour.
But that’s one thing. This was just embarrassing.
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Post by Marissa on Sept 21, 2020 23:49:22 GMT -5
I’ve not really read a Noel interview since he kept retelling that same story about going out with Morrissey and writing Riverman when CY came out. Just lost interest, as a lot of you here have. He started coming off a lot less enjoyable to read than he was from the insightful SOTSOG period to the DOYS tour. But that’s one thing. This was just embarrassing. noel has kind of fallen off the wagon and it saddens me.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 22, 2020 5:54:48 GMT -5
I’ve not really read a Noel interview since he kept retelling that same story about going out with Morrissey and writing Riverman when CY came out. Just lost interest, as a lot of you here have. He started coming off a lot less enjoyable to read than he was from the insightful SOTSOG period to the DOYS tour. But that’s one thing. This was just embarrassing. I noticed that too with the CY era. With WBTM he became just a bitter pair of shades bitching that his fans didn't like his new music and how amazing he was.
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Post by mossy on Sept 22, 2020 6:50:55 GMT -5
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 22, 2020 7:00:24 GMT -5
I’ve not really read a Noel interview since he kept retelling that same story about going out with Morrissey and writing Riverman when CY came out. Just lost interest, as a lot of you here have. He started coming off a lot less enjoyable to read than he was from the insightful SOTSOG period to the DOYS tour. But that’s one thing. This was just embarrassing. I noticed that too with the CY era. With WBTM he became just a bitter pair of shades bitching that his fans didn't like his new music and how amazing he was. Tbh I think he's just getting a bit bored of it, the most stupid the questions are the most he tries to be controversial or goes in full grumpy old man mode He's still mostly fun and nice to listen to when he talks to some of his mates or finds an interviewer that actually did some research and asks some interesting stuff I remember finding an interview from the WBTM era and it was quite noticeable how Noel started off being dismissive and sarcastic and then after a couple of minute he realised the interviewer was actually good and loosened up quite a bit
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Post by matt on Sept 22, 2020 7:28:53 GMT -5
Haha, the air raid bombing analogy is spot on! Could totally imagine Noel having his lights on in a blitz blackout not giving a shit about anyone else. You know what would be great? If one of these middle aged c**ts showed contrition and came out and said 'sorry I got it wrong with my ignorance'. I'd like to think Noel isn't beyond redemption in some senses (that is until he writes a song about it like that twat Ian Brown).
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Post by matt on Sept 22, 2020 7:41:50 GMT -5
The article raises a good point about all these idiots. As with Ian Brown and Van Morrison, Noel's spent most his life in privilege and never having been told what he cannot do with all his riches. Now that privilege is being denied, it's inevitably not their problem or responsibility because they've completely forgotten what social responsibility is. If they had a conscience, they would worry about their fellow human being but their lifestyles have simply fed their egos.
I laugh when they sing about love, peace and harmony and all those rock clichés when their selfish individualistic egos is the exact opposite thing of all these qualities.
There was a time when Noel was a charismatic funny guy. Now he's just a miserable selfish charmless c**t. Fuck all of them.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 22, 2020 8:03:58 GMT -5
I noticed that too with the CY era. With WBTM he became just a bitter pair of shades bitching that his fans didn't like his new music and how amazing he was. Tbh I think he's just getting a bit bored of it, the most stupid the questions are the most he tries to be controversial or goes in full grumpy old man mode He's still mostly fun and nice to listen to when he talks to some of his mates or finds an interviewer that actually did some research and asks some interesting stuff I remember finding an interview from the WBTM era and it was quite noticeable how Noel started off being dismissive and sarcastic and then after a couple of minute he realised the interviewer was actually good and loosened up quite a bit Yeah that is true. After 10 years of being asked about Liam and will Oasis reform one might get a little bored ha ha! There's only a handful of interviews in the last 3 years that I actually enjoyed though. And I can't stand listening to podcasts in that format (two mates talking) whether it's him or anyone else so I never listen to Matt Morgan's podcasts with him.
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Post by matt on Sept 22, 2020 8:28:31 GMT -5
Just as an aside, I still love his music (yes even his new stuff which I think his last album that is his best in years).... but he sure as hell doesn't make it easy for himself.
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Post by oasisunited on Sept 22, 2020 8:55:50 GMT -5
but he sure as hell doesn't make it easy for himself. Replace "he/doesn't/himself" with "they/don't/themselves" and that is the summation of Oasis' career in a nutshell, especially during the early years.
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Post by freddy838 on Sept 22, 2020 11:20:45 GMT -5
Just as an aside, I still love his music (yes even his new stuff which I think his last album that is his best in years).... but he sure as hell doesn't make it easy for himself. Imo it was when Holy Mountain was getting slated, Noel was genuinely surprised by it and then went down the 'well you're all just Parka Monkeys anyway' route and became pretentious, which for all his cockiness and brashness in the past, he wasnt pretentious. Now he's got to keep up this controversial arsehole shtick and you end up with stuff like this.
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 22, 2020 13:21:32 GMT -5
Now that Covid 19 is on the rise again it's time for Noel to wear a face mask. For god sake it's not hard. I think his excuse for not wearing one is pathetic to be honest. And, I stopped listening/reading his interviews back in 2011 when he did that stupid press conference.
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 23, 2020 9:17:23 GMT -5
everyone needs to do themselves a favor and let go of the idea that we will ever "return to normal" because it is impossible. what has happened and will continue to happen this year has changed worldwide society forever. the covid threat won't be permanent but this concept of normalcy we had is a thing of the past. we need to move forward accordingly. I think that’s a bit exaggerated. We are only in this for 6 months now, science will either find a vaccine or meds that will help the people in need and then we will get to how the world used to be. We’ve dealt with much worse pandemics in the past, and back then we didn’t have the knowledge we have now.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 23, 2020 10:01:04 GMT -5
everyone needs to do themselves a favor and let go of the idea that we will ever "return to normal" because it is impossible. what has happened and will continue to happen this year has changed worldwide society forever. the covid threat won't be permanent but this concept of normalcy we had is a thing of the past. we need to move forward accordingly. I think that’s a bit exaggerated. We are only in this for 6 months now, science will either find a vaccine or meds that will help the people in need and then we will get to how the world used to be. We’ve dealt with much worse pandemics in the past, and back then we didn’t have the knowledge we have now. Unfortunately, this has greater reaching effects. Take business as an example. We have fast food places like Burger King considering getting rid of the indoor restaurant entirely and replacing human orderers with kiosks and mobile ordering, emphasizing delivery. Many businesses are getting rid of offices entirely in favor of work from home models, as it can be cheaper to not have to pay for a space and the maintenance and whatnot that comes with it. Then of course, the businesses that shut down and don't return. It's definitely changing the world we are used to interacting with and much of these changes will remain indefinitely. Some might say for the better in many of these cases, but it's especially harmful for jobs overall, as it inches us closer to achieving automation.
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 23, 2020 10:21:50 GMT -5
I think that’s a bit exaggerated. We are only in this for 6 months now, science will either find a vaccine or meds that will help the people in need and then we will get to how the world used to be. We’ve dealt with much worse pandemics in the past, and back then we didn’t have the knowledge we have now. Unfortunately, this has greater reaching effects. Take business as an example. We have fast food places like Burger King considering getting rid of the indoor restaurant entirely and replacing human orderers with kiosks and mobile ordering, emphasizing delivery. Many businesses are getting rid of offices entirely in favor of work from home models, as it can be cheaper to not have to pay for a space and the maintenance and whatnot that comes with it. Then of course, the businesses that shut down and don't return. It's definitely changing the world we are used to interact with. Some might say for the better in many of these cases, but it's especially harmful for jobs overall, as it inches us closer to automation. Automation will come no matter what and it’s a good thing. So what we have to do is find a way to benefit the most from it, reduce working hours and give everybody a universal basic income. Create new jobs that’s beneficial to the community like in the healthcare system. I work from home for over 4 months now and it’s absolutely beautiful, I’m more productive than before. We could all have a pretty optimistic outlook into the future if there was more awareness to what we are able to accomplish in the near future.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 23, 2020 10:42:37 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this has greater reaching effects. Take business as an example. We have fast food places like Burger King considering getting rid of the indoor restaurant entirely and replacing human orderers with kiosks and mobile ordering, emphasizing delivery. Many businesses are getting rid of offices entirely in favor of work from home models, as it can be cheaper to not have to pay for a space and the maintenance and whatnot that comes with it. Then of course, the businesses that shut down and don't return. It's definitely changing the world we are used to interact with. Some might say for the better in many of these cases, but it's especially harmful for jobs overall, as it inches us closer to automation. Automation will come no matter what and it’s a good thing. So what we have to do is find a way to benefit the most from it, reduce working hours and give everybody a universal basic income. Create new jobs that’s beneficial to the community like in the healthcare system. I work from home for over 4 months now and it’s absolutely beautiful, I’m more productive than before. We could all have a pretty optimistic outlook into the future if there was more awareness to what we are able to accomplish in the near future. Yes, automation is coming. But the speed at which it does is of special concern if the government has not instituted a UBI to supplement tens of millions out of work. Covid forcing it to come faster than it would have is a big problem for working people. I don't know where you live, but here in America our government doesn't want socialized anything. They will let tens of millions into the streets before bothering to do anything about it. They turn their nose to a second stimulus despite more than 30 something percent of the country behind on rent and mortgage and facing eviction.
Automation is great in fantasy land where the government does the right thing and initiates a UBI and guarantees medical care for all and provides basic housing and food. We're not living in such a place. People are going to starve, bake and freeze to death in America before we get any sort of solution to joblessness in the days of Automation. So the longer it takes to get to that point, the better.
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 23, 2020 11:14:14 GMT -5
Automation will come no matter what and it’s a good thing. So what we have to do is find a way to benefit the most from it, reduce working hours and give everybody a universal basic income. Create new jobs that’s beneficial to the community like in the healthcare system. I work from home for over 4 months now and it’s absolutely beautiful, I’m more productive than before. We could all have a pretty optimistic outlook into the future if there was more awareness to what we are able to accomplish in the near future. Yes, automation is coming. But the speed at which it does is of special concern if the government has not instituted a UBI to supplement tens of millions out of work. Covid forcing it to come faster than it would have is a big problem for working people. I don't know where you live, but here in America our government doesn't want socialized anything. They will let tens of millions into the streets before bothering to do anything about it. They turn their nose to a second stimulus despite more than 30 something percent of the country behind on rent and mortgage and facing eviction. Automation is great in fantasy land where the government does the right thing and initiates a UBI and guarantees medical care for all and provides basic housing and food. We're not living in such a place. People are going to starve, bake and freeze to death in America before we get any sort of solution to joblessness in the days of Automation. So the longer it takes to get to that point, the better.
Well I get it from an american standpoint. I honestly don’t see a way out of your situation especially if trump gets re-elected.
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Post by Marissa on Sept 23, 2020 12:58:02 GMT -5
everyone needs to do themselves a favor and let go of the idea that we will ever "return to normal" because it is impossible. what has happened and will continue to happen this year has changed worldwide society forever. the covid threat won't be permanent but this concept of normalcy we had is a thing of the past. we need to move forward accordingly. I think that’s a bit exaggerated. We are only in this for 6 months now, science will either find a vaccine or meds that will help the people in need and then we will get to how the world used to be. We’ve dealt with much worse pandemics in the past, and back then we didn’t have the knowledge we have now. the pandemic itself is barely the tip of the iceberg. gotta let go of how the world used to be or the next year will be incredibly difficult.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Sept 23, 2020 19:01:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this has greater reaching effects. Take business as an example. We have fast food places like Burger King considering getting rid of the indoor restaurant entirely and replacing human orderers with kiosks and mobile ordering, emphasizing delivery. Many businesses are getting rid of offices entirely in favor of work from home models, as it can be cheaper to not have to pay for a space and the maintenance and whatnot that comes with it. Then of course, the businesses that shut down and don't return. It's definitely changing the world we are used to interact with. Some might say for the better in many of these cases, but it's especially harmful for jobs overall, as it inches us closer to automation. Automation will come no matter what and it’s a good thing. So what we have to do is find a way to benefit the most from it, reduce working hours and give everybody a universal basic income. Create new jobs that’s beneficial to the community like in the healthcare system. I work from home for over 4 months now and it’s absolutely beautiful, I’m more productive than before. We could all have a pretty optimistic outlook into the future if there was more awareness to what we are able to accomplish in the near future. Universal Basic Income, oh yes!!! UBI ftw!!!
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Sept 23, 2020 19:16:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this has greater reaching effects. Take business as an example. We have fast food places like Burger King considering getting rid of the indoor restaurant entirely and replacing human orderers with kiosks and mobile ordering, emphasizing delivery. Many businesses are getting rid of offices entirely in favor of work from home models, as it can be cheaper to not have to pay for a space and the maintenance and whatnot that comes with it. Then of course, the businesses that shut down and don't return. It's definitely changing the world we are used to interact with. Some might say for the better in many of these cases, but it's especially harmful for jobs overall, as it inches us closer to automation. Automation will come no matter what and it’s a good thing. So what we have to do is find a way to benefit the most from it, reduce working hours and give everybody a universal basic income. Create new jobs that’s beneficial to the community like in the healthcare system. I work from home for over 4 months now and it’s absolutely beautiful, I’m more productive than before. We could all have a pretty optimistic outlook into the future if there was more awareness to what we are able to accomplish in the near future. I want some UBI, I'm tired of working like a dog for 40 years to be successful On topic - Noel, wear a mask, ya douchebag
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Post by leron on Sept 30, 2020 11:54:09 GMT -5
Wearing masks would be a good start
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Post by Derrick on Sept 30, 2020 14:13:17 GMT -5
Wearing masks would be a good start Nah, he won't, & if the live sector remains in crisis, it's on him.
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