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Post by tiger40 on Sept 18, 2020 13:36:46 GMT -5
Well said and I fully agree with you. And, there's nothing clever about smoking either.
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Post by Aman on Sept 18, 2020 23:52:10 GMT -5
A lot of you are being really dramatic. Noel has always enjoyed saying things that will get people riled up. It may not be his finest moment, but he’s probably wearing a mask. This isn't really a subject to try and rile people up about.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 19, 2020 0:09:43 GMT -5
A lot of you are being really dramatic. Noel has always enjoyed saying things that will get people riled up. It may not be his finest moment, but he’s probably wearing a mask. This isn't really a subject to try and rile people up about. Exactly. A million people have died worldwide in 9 months. A lot of that is the direct consequence of people who refused to cover up and abide by the social restrictions.
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Post by bt95 on Sept 19, 2020 4:52:13 GMT -5
This isn't really a subject to try and rile people up about. Exactly. A million people have died worldwide in 9 months. A lot of that is the direct consequence of people who refused to cover up and abide by the social restrictions. Wow, that's a ludicrously dangerous statement. I don't agree with Noel saying he's not going to wear a mask, as i've said already. But, governments' inaction around the world and their haphazard approaches are much more to blame than the public. By and large people around the world have mostly done what they've been instructed to. Draconian measures that have crashed economies and left more people's lives in tatters than this virus would have done (but that's not to say they weren't needed). Blaming people for the failures of governments and the WHO (and China's secrecy) isn't really on.
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Post by ournoel775 on Sept 19, 2020 9:42:45 GMT -5
Team Noel and Ian on this one. When are we ever gonna be back to normal if we cower like sheep forever?
And Noel’s not wrong...why is it ok to have pubs/restaurants full of unmasked people? This thread shows obviously a lot of people feel strongly about wearing masks....then why aren’t these same folks upset that people are carrying on at the pub like normal? Seems contradictory.
Don’t get me wrong, i’ll Wear my mask when at the store. But it’s pretty obvious....if the virus were half as deadly as they make you believe, every person working a retail job over the past six months would be dead from the virus. Hmmmm...that’s not happening.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 19, 2020 10:24:17 GMT -5
Exactly. A million people have died worldwide in 9 months. A lot of that is the direct consequence of people who refused to cover up and abide by the social restrictions. Wow, that's a ludicrously dangerous statement. I don't agree with Noel saying he's not going to wear a mask, as i've said already. But, governments' inaction around the world and their haphazard approaches are much more to blame than the public. By and large people around the world have mostly done what they've been instructed to. Draconian measures that have crashed economies and left more people's lives in tatters than this virus would have done (but that's not to say they weren't needed). Blaming people for the failures of governments and the WHO (and China's secrecy) isn't really on. It's not even a remotely dangerous statement. It's a matter of fact. The governments are to blame for inaction, but the people themselves are to blame for ignoring the science or in some cases (when the government did act), ignoring the advice of their governments. They are to blame for ignoring the local mandates of their cities, or of the stores they go into. They are also to blame for spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories and actively encouraging anti-mask movements. The people will also be to blame when a vaccine is released and they refuse to get one and encourage others not to as well, resulting in more anti-vaxxers springing up in a time of a pandemic.
Governments are there just to give best advice when we're talking about democracy. Unless they lay down mandatory restrictions, it's always up to the people to follow. In China's case, they can force their people to wear masks. In Americas case, they can only advise that you do. There's little to no punishment if you don't. It's still up to the people to make the right decision. And the right decision has been clear since May, but largely still ignored, hence the resurgence of the first wave which doubled the amount of infections here. It's certainly the peoples failure, especially in a first world nation with the amount of internet access we have, there are no excuses for our failure. We knew the right course of action and a large selection of our citizens made sure to do the exact opposite for one bad reason or another.
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Post by Gas Panic on Sept 19, 2020 12:37:47 GMT -5
from hero to... HERO! he's right! Take off those dirty muzzles, wake up people Thanks Ian.
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Post by Derrick on Sept 19, 2020 12:53:27 GMT -5
Hey he paid a lot of money for those teeth. Over £5,000 if you believe the tabloids at the time (1997). All joking aside, surely someone who has smoked cigarettes for about 40 years would be concerned with contracting a virus that does irreparable damage to your lungs. He's clearly in a higher risk group because of his past habits. Of course, that also assumes he actually believes the medical science being reported with regards to what doctors are seeing in the hospitals. Fortunately for him (& for Liam as well), doctors have noticed that smokers are less prone to severe complications from the coronavirus.
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Post by oasisunited on Sept 19, 2020 13:19:48 GMT -5
Over £5,000 if you believe the tabloids at the time (1997). All joking aside, surely someone who has smoked cigarettes for about 40 years would be concerned with contracting a virus that does irreparable damage to your lungs. He's clearly in a higher risk group because of his past habits. Of course, that also assumes he actually believes the medical science being reported with regards to what doctors are seeing in the hospitals. Fortunately for him (& for Liam as well), doctors have noticed that smokers are less prone to severe complications from the coronavirus. I think that was the early thinking, but I believe that it is now considered a higher risk to be a smoker or at the very least inconclusive/needs more studies: Source: www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/smoking-and-covid-19Common sense would say that having unhealthy lungs is never a good thing when attempting to fight off a respiratory virus.
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 19, 2020 13:36:10 GMT -5
from hero to... HERO! he's right! Take off those dirty muzzles, wake up people What? Actually all my face masks are re- useable ones and I have plenty so I only need to use one once and then it goes in the wash.
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Post by theone on Sept 19, 2020 16:14:30 GMT -5
Seriously, how does he get along with Bono? Getting along with Morrisey ir Ian Brown, I could see, but Bono is all about politically correcto and what not. What gives? How can Bono stand him? If I was Matt Morgan, Id be completely put off by my "friend" You know I feel Bono says all that stuff to the public but gives no shits behind closed doors
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 19, 2020 17:26:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure about Bono and if he really means what he says but if he does then maybe Noel should take a leaf out of his book on certain issues like this one as I guess that Bono wears a face mask.
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Post by jeffrey on Sept 19, 2020 17:54:26 GMT -5
If only his personality was as fun as his last album. It’s on par for being just as shit.
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Post by globe on Sept 20, 2020 6:33:43 GMT -5
Team Noel and Ian on this one. When are we ever gonna be back to normal if we cower like sheep forever? And Noel’s not wrong...why is it ok to have pubs/restaurants full of unmasked people? This thread shows obviously a lot of people feel strongly about wearing masks....then why aren’t these same folks upset that people are carrying on at the pub like normal? Seems contradictory. Don’t get me wrong, i’ll Wear my mask when at the store. But it’s pretty obvious....if the virus were half as deadly as they make you believe, every person working a retail job over the past six months would be dead from the virus. Hmmmm...that’s not happening. What are you? 10 year old or something? Do you just not understand the need for trade-offs in risk when you prioritise education and the economy or are you just pretending to try and make a really child-like argument? There are going to be inconsistencies when you are trying to balance protecting people as well as having schools and businesses open.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Sept 20, 2020 6:41:02 GMT -5
Team Noel and Ian on this one. When are we ever gonna be back to normal if we cower like sheep forever? And Noel’s not wrong...why is it ok to have pubs/restaurants full of unmasked people? This thread shows obviously a lot of people feel strongly about wearing masks....then why aren’t these same folks upset that people are carrying on at the pub like normal? Seems contradictory. Don’t get me wrong, i’ll Wear my mask when at the store. But it’s pretty obvious....if the virus were half as deadly as they make you believe, every person working a retail job over the past six months would be dead from the virus. Hmmmm...that’s not happening. What are you? 10 year old or something? Do you just not understand the need for trade-offs in risk when you prioritise education and the economy or are you just pretending to try and make a really child-like argument? There are going to be inconsistencies when you are trying balance protecting people as well as having schools and businesses open. It's as simple as that, really
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Post by The Chief on Sept 20, 2020 8:28:00 GMT -5
There are going to be inconsistencies when you are trying to balance protecting people as well as having schools and businesses open. And when you're working with a new virus and learning about it and how it works whilst it's spreading and being studied...
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 20, 2020 8:51:52 GMT -5
I just heard about it and.. fuck this grumpy old man.
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 20, 2020 13:03:46 GMT -5
Noel needs to grow up and act his age not his shoe size in this. Does he really know how dangerous this virus is.
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Post by NYR on Sept 20, 2020 15:09:24 GMT -5
What are you? 10 year old or something? Do you just not understand the need for trade-offs in risk when you prioritise education and the economy or are you just pretending to try and make a really child-like argument? There are going to be inconsistencies when you are trying to balance protecting people as well as having schools and businesses open. Amen. I challenge any non-doctor who clearly knows better than the medical and scientific community about wearing masks, to ask—nay, demand—that their doctors don't wear masks or wash their hands and instruments the next time they're in for an appointment. If they need to have their blood drawn, how about some used needles? Safety precautions are for pussies, after all. Wake up, sheeple! I would ask Noel why he even bothers having barricades or security guards? Using his "logic," they could be as ineffective as not having them at all. Three broken ribs after some idiot comes on stage and pushes you over? That's on him, right?
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 20, 2020 15:47:19 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. When there's a new virus out break like this one we can't take any chances and we need to follow the advice given.
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Post by Marissa on Sept 21, 2020 0:53:44 GMT -5
Team Noel and Ian on this one. When are we ever gonna be back to normal if we cower like sheep forever? "normal" is gone and it's not coming back. ever.
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Post by cosmos on Sept 21, 2020 9:53:03 GMT -5
This is a very low time for Noel, unbearable. And of course he play the tough guy because in case he gets infected (or whatever the sickness he might develop in the future) he will run to a private hospital full of oxford-trained doctors, not to the NHS. I hope the people in this forum who support his statements have the same resources and possibilities that he has...
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 21, 2020 12:27:09 GMT -5
Team Noel and Ian on this one. When are we ever gonna be back to normal if we cower like sheep forever? "normal" is gone and it's not coming back. ever. What do you mean?
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 21, 2020 13:01:36 GMT -5
This is a very low time for Noel, unbearable. And of course he play the tough guy because in case he gets infected (or whatever the sickness he might develop in the future) he will run to a private hospital full of oxford-trained doctors, not to the NHS. I hope the people in this forum who support his statements have the same resources and possibilities that he has... Excactly. Not everyone has his sort of money to be able to go private when anything happens.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Sept 21, 2020 13:02:26 GMT -5
Why the fuck would scientists, doctors, health care professionals, researchers and anyone else LIE about face masks?
What do the government have to gain out of FORCING YOU to wear face masks? Seriously, Noel. Think about it. What could Boris Johnson (who is a massive vagina, by the way) possibly have to gain out of making you wear a mask? What power does he gain? What sinister plot do the government have? If you can answer any of those questions (without it sounding like something smeared in shit on a lunatic asylum wall) then I will consider your argument. Otherwise, you can jog on you miserable fucking gammon.
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