Definitely Maybe Sawmill Recordings/Eden Studios Mixes (Read 12,891 times)

[oasisunited]

I was rummaging through the Internet yesterday and stumbled upon this tweet reply:

I believe that this is a custom CD made from a transfer of the rough mixes from Eden Studios of the Sawmill recording sessions for Definitely Maybe. David Huggins asked Anjuli Dutt about it back in 2014:

I’ve enclosed another pic that may be of interest: a cassette of rough mixes from Eden Studios. Was the version of I am the Walrus a live recording, or did they attempt a studio take? Am I right in thinking that Cigarettes and Alcohol and Digsy’s Dinner were the only two final mixes on there, and the rest rough mixes?

Anjali: It’s great to see my handwriting on the cassette box and this can only mean that there was a studio recording of I am the Walrus and strangely enough, I do suddenly remember clearly that we did record it; it was very fluent and it was good. I imagine Ignition were probably asking for progress cassettes. So we sent up the mixes we had and roughs of the others, as annotated on the box.

source: www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=1850 / davidjay

I have a few questions for the forum regarding this. Does anyone happen to know this collector/can confirm that it is in fact the tape referenced above? While I'm sure that we would all love to hear it (especially the "I am the Walrus" recording), I am also interested in preserving the history of it. I'm curious if anyone knows the full track list of what is on the tape/CD and/or if there was a date written down on it to help pin-point when the mixing session took place at Eden Studios. Paging the usual characters: joakim guigsysEstring The Crimson Rambler . Thanks in advance for any/all help.

[guigsysEstring]

oasisunited The Eden Studio mixes were around March 1994 as referenced in Uncut's "Definitely Maybe 20 Years On" piece-

Beyond that, it’s often a fascinating piece of archaeology, tracing the arc of Oasis’ development, as demonstrated by the three versions of “Columbia” here. The first in its spring, 1993 incarnation recorded at the Real People’s Porter Street studios in Liverpool (baggy groove, reedy-sounding guitars), then in Mark Coyle’s March, 1994 mix at London’s Eden Studios (bigger, tighter, yes; but Liam still not quite “Liam” enough), and finally, in the album version, all the ducks in a row, the guitars at full tilt and Liam in his swaggering pomp.

Uncut magazine link

which coincides with p222-23 of "Getting High The Adventures of Oasis (Hewitt)" where he refers to early 1994 and the band in Eden Studios, Chiswick opposite Noel's flat before going to Cornwall with the album being unsuccessfully mixed initially in Chiswick.

This thread with answers provided by davidjay gives more insight into the "I Am the Walrus" recording- I Am the Walrus studio version? thread  and also contains this image of of Eden Studios mixes cassette-

Beyond that for that actual CD it might be the obvious answer but have you tried contacting the collector via Twitter?

[oasisunited]

Mar 26, 2020 7:56:01 GMT -5 guigsysEstring said:

Beyond that for that actual CD it might be the obvious answer but have you tried contacting the collector via Twitter?

guigsysEstring I would love to, but sadly, I do not have a Twitter account (I know, I know, but I have my reasons). Thanks, as always, for the information! I do believe that is the tape that has been copied to that CD and the one that is mentioned in the interview that I quoted.

[danoasisman]

I came across this post a few days ago so joined the forum , I own the cd in question I can confirm it is a complete copy of the Eden studios ruff mix tape , I owned the tape for a while about six years ago but unfortunately due to a personal situation had to sell it along with my whole collection, fortunately I had it professionally transferred on to cd before I parted with it , any questions don’t hesitate to reply, cheers.

[oasisunited]

Aug 2, 2021 10:38:41 GMT -5 danoasisman said:

I came across this post a few days ago so joined the forum , I own the cd in question I can confirm it is a complete copy of the Eden studios ruff mix tape , I owned the tape for a while about six years ago but unfortunately due to a personal situation had to sell it along with my whole collection, fortunately I had it professionally transferred on to cd before I parted with it , any questions don’t hesitate to reply, cheers.

The original tape wouldn't have happened to have dates on indicating when the mixing session at Eden Studios took place, would it? My best guess would be for some time in March/April 1994. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated!

[danoasisman]

No there were no dates unfortunately

[danoasisman]

I can tell you The I am the walrus track is slightly different from the live version and is also longer it was one of the main reasons I bought the original tape in the first place

[Lennon2217]

SET THE WALRUS FREE!

[robg1979]

Aug 2, 2021 13:57:58 GMT -5 danoasisman said:

I can tell you The I am the walrus track is slightly different from the live version and is also longer it was one of the main reasons I bought the original tape in the first place

If I can ask please, in your opinion would you say the studio version is superior to the live one we got, or can you realistically see why they tackled it again? I assume Liam's voice on it still isn't quite 'there' yet?

Thank you for telling us a little bit more about it, it's fascinating to find out anything about unreleased versions.

[danoasisman]

Personally I prefer the live version , the studio version is a bit to busy for me they over done it with guitars but it’s still fascinating to listen to to be honest I haven’t played it for a few years I’ll have to give it a go see what I make of it now

[danoasisman]

I’ll listen to the whole album tonight and give an in-depth opinion

[Lennon2217]

GOTTA LET THE BIG WALRUS EAT!!!!

[carlober]

Aug 2, 2021 13:57:58 GMT -5 danoasisman said:

I can tell you The I am the walrus track is slightly different from the live version and is also longer it was one of the main reasons I bought the original tape in the first place

It would be great to hear it someday...
Thanks for the info

[danoasisman]

Funny enough I was approached recently by someone who offered quite a lot of money to bootleg it but I declined

[danoasisman]

OMG, OMG , OMG I take back everything I said , this is incredible, I think I’ve matured as a fan I just worked out I haven’t play that cd for over five years, I’ve just been through it and it’s actually far better than I remembered, it sounds raw , it doesn’t have the same weight as the finish versions not as loud or as punchy but quite incredible, Liam’s vocals are not quite there yet but on most tracks apart from slide away he’s nearly there , I’ve always thought that Liam’s vocals on the finished version of slide away was his greatest moment but on here he’s struggling, Digsys diner is exactly the same as the finished article , I think they used that on the album , I am the walrus is actually very very good , Liam’s vocal is really quite impressive, guitars bang on I actually really like it has a different feel than the live version,

[mouth]

i will never understand how one can own music, that only that particular person can listen to, and then tell everyone about it on the internet. what's the point? just share it. music is to be shared. there's no point in music, that no one can listen to, but only one individual. it's ueseless.

[danoasisman]

Share it how ? Put it on a bootleg ? If anyone wants to hear it and there in or willing to come to south east London please let me know

[Sadie]

Aug 4, 2021 16:23:24 GMT -5 danoasisman said:

Share it how ? Put it on a bootleg ? If anyone wants to hear it and there in or willing to come to south east London please let me know

Is there not a way for you to rip the cd? You could just upload the one song to a temporary file sharing site - of course no one's forcing you to do it and I'd never claim otherwise but it'd be amazing to hear such a rare recording

[Lennon2217]

BIG WALRUS ENERGY!!!!

[NY]

N e e d

[danoasisman]

I’m very fortunate to own that cd but that’s all I own I don’t own it’s content, the original tape is stored away in a collection and will probably not be seen for years , I get it I really do I’m a massive fan myself, if there was a way of sharing this with everyone without breaking some kind of copyright I would but I’m not sure if that’s possible if someone can come with an alternative then let me know

[Jim]

Aug 5, 2021 8:00:51 GMT -5 danoasisman said:

I’m very fortunate to own that cd but that’s all I own I don’t own it’s content, the original tape is stored away in a collection and will probably not be seen for years , I get it I really do I’m a massive fan myself, if there was a way of sharing this with everyone without breaking some kind of copyright I would but I’m not sure if that’s possible if someone can come with an alternative then let me know

The full Safety Masters 4 CD set and loads of other demo tapes including Lock All The Doors and Don’t Believe The Truth etc which members of this forum contributed to have been shared with no issue.

live4ever.proboards.com/thread/74192/safety-masters-whitfield-street-studios

It’s your call on if you want to put them out or not, only do what you are comfortable with.

[danoasisman]

It would be very selfish of me not to.

[Lennon2217]

Aug 5, 2021 13:39:30 GMT -5 danoasisman said:

It would be very selfish of me not to.

This checks out to be true.

[Sadie]

Aug 5, 2021 13:39:30 GMT -5 danoasisman said:

It would be very selfish of me not to.

If you could share it that would be incredible, the idea of finally hearing something so rare is amazing