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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2020 9:23:45 GMT -5
Ever see the Mad Max films? Specifically the first 3. That is our future. The japanese dont remember Akira. They should know that having an Olympics there in this year is a no-no. I’ve always been worried about that nuclear reactor that is still leaking into the air, soil and ocean! It was on the scale of Chernobyl. Not sure how any Olympics events were even decided to be placed around there. Crazy.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 18, 2020 9:23:50 GMT -5
At what point do we cannibalize each other? Asking for Jeffery Dahmer.
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Post by mossy on Mar 18, 2020 9:51:03 GMT -5
Only been working from home for two days but I’m already getting close to completing Netflix.
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Post by Manualex on Mar 18, 2020 11:34:41 GMT -5
An article about this thing in my country The coronavirus transmission curve in Venezuela has been the fastest in the world: 33 cases in four days. Let’s be clear: Italy, which has devastating figures, took 24 days to go from one case to 15. Nicolás said from Miraflores that out of 33 cases, 18 are women and 15 men. We have eight cases in Caracas, 13 in Miranda state, five in Vargas, two in Aragua state, two in Anzoátegui state, one in Mérida state, 1 one in Cojedes state and one in Apure state. Nicolás said that “for every case, there are 27 more to confirm.” Meaning that at the time, there can be 896 cases that we don’t know about. He insisted that “all cases are imported (…) 28 from Europe and five from Cúcuta,” as if that excused his performance. Unlike the rest of the world, most cases in Venezuela are among patients under 50 years old, only four confirmed cases in patients over 60 and no cases in patients over 80. The distribution is as follows: two cases in patients between 10 and 19 years old, seven in patients between 20 and 29 years old, 11 in patients between 30 and 39, four in patients between 40 and 49, five in patients between 50 and 59, three in patients between 60 and 69 and one case between 70 and 79 years old. The person responsible for the recession and hyperinflation also said to businessmen that they can count on his support. But he warned that through the carnet de la patria he’ll be awarding benefits to workers and citizens. Once more, he uses political discrimination as a requirement for social benefits. This is inadmissible. Nicolás made the announcement from Miraflores. Everyone with him wore masks, and thanked 85% of people for abiding by the quarantine rule, in the states where it was declared. He also politicized the pandemic and said something that we know isn’t true: “At the moment, Venezuela has the necessary medicine to fight the coronavirus.” In several areas of the country, there’s been reports of potential coronavirus cases. The low quantity of test kits and the centralization of the process makes ruling out cases a lot slower. The test takes eight hours in a normal country. Caretaker President Juan Guaidó said that they’ll start working on finding sanitary humanitarian aid and the process for getting food into the country is back on track. He explained the shortages will get worse and that the failures of our water supply system make preventing the coronavirus transmission a lot harder. Guaidó asked the special attorney general to start the process for using protected funds to buy medical supplies, he said they’ll buy 3,500 kits for nurses in five of the country’s main hospitals and he’d soon give more information about the hygiene kit distribution. The general director of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, warned that COVID-19 patients can pass the virus on after they have recovered, so isolation should last up to 15 days after the symptoms disappear. Tedros said that people who are caring for coronavirus patients must be in good health and rigorously follow preventive measures: wash their hands, keep social distance, don’t touch their face. Tedros said that patients and caregivers must wear masks when they’re together and the patient must use a different room and bathroom. He asked for something that Venezuela and many other countries can’t do: “We have a simple message for all countries: run tests on all potential cases.” Dr. Julio Castro expressed his reservations regarding quarantine as a method to stop the advance of COVID-19 in Venezuela. He said that the measure “hasn’t been able to modify the transmission rate” and that it may cause severe consequences for us: shortages of food, transportation and gas. Coronavirus arrived to our country amid a complex humanitarian emergency, and that’s why “we must urgently request an increase of humanitarian aid.” Venezuelans had to endure the lack of expertise of our military all day: officers made traffic worse and demanded the use of masks in all cases, paying no attention to reason. The customer protection state agency Sundde and the Commerce Ministry are visiting stores after complaints for overcharging. Banks are only working online. Dante Rivas, alleged protector of Nueva Esparta, suspended all travel to and from Margarita, by air or by sea: the island has been isolated. The government increased, without the National Assembly’s permission, the tax unit by 2,900%. It’s now worth 1,500 bolivars. On Monday, there were power outages in nine states: Apure, Barcelona, Zulia, Trujillo, Carabobo, Aragua, Lara, Mérida, Barinas and some areas of the Capital District. Military and police officers worked against press workers, blocking them from doing their job; holding them and making them delete footage. Add all of this to the fuel crisis: the country has been paralyzed more because of the lack of gas than because of the quarantine itself. Iván Duque said that Colombia established contact with Táchira’s governor Laidy Gómez and the National Assembly to work together against coronavirus. He also said that he authorized sharing data with Venezuela, in order to cooperate with the WHO. He announced that all borders would be closed until May 30th. Donald Trump said that the coronavirus crisis would last “until July or August” and recommended Americans work from home and avoid groups of over ten people, at least until April. He admitted that the country may be on its way to recession because of the pandemic, which he called “an invisible enemy.” G7 leaders agreed to cooperate in order to do what it takes to stop the economic and sanitary crises. “We’re committed to doing all that’s necessary to assure a strong global response through tight cooperation and heightened coordination of our efforts,” said the official statement published after a virtual meeting calling the COVID-19 pandemic a “human tragedy and a global health crisis.” The pandemic is serious and, unfortunately, chavismo has decided to make us think they’re doing something by leaving us in lockdown, without changing any other variable. The quarantine won’t reduce the number of cases, it will only make the transmission slower, and the thing will continue to be how many patients will get worse, how many will need intensive care for which we’re not ready. During the quarantine, Nicolás should invest in supplies and equipment that would allow medical personnel to deal with the complexity of the disease. Nothing he said in his speech meant he’s aiming for that or pointing in that general direction, so we should be obsessive about prevention. www.caracaschronicles.com/2020/03/17/venezuela-has-the-fastest-contagion-curve-in-the-world/
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Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 18, 2020 11:47:14 GMT -5
I know in America most of our deaths are the elderly. Media doesn’t go out of its way to declare that because of a complete panic from that sector of the population but I bet it’s similar around the globe. For the most part under 65 people get thru this virus and bounce back fine. It’s the old and people with chronic conditions already that are the prime targets of the virus’ mortality rate. It is mainly how it works, but not completely People under 40 can also be affected, and even if most of them survive they might still need intensive care We've been told "it's just a bad flu" for weeks over here and look at us now (and our helthcare system is actually not so bad), to me it looks like other countries are not learning from out mistakes at all, but instead repeating them
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Post by bt95 on Mar 18, 2020 12:11:44 GMT -5
Sad. Not for NG (though it would have been huge) just the state of things. Entirely understand why it has happened and why it's had to happen now - I guess construction would have started soon. It's just infuriating and panic mode. Europe's governments all have to take a massive reality check from this. Three years of arguing over crap like Brexit and something like this comes along and the world shuts down? It's a bad flu. The worry is how it spreads and obviously impacts those most vulnerable. The fact that none of the western governments are in a position to be able to respond and protect those in the most vulnerable position is the outrage here. To be fair I wouldn’t give a single life to carry on as normal. I don’t care if someone was 110 and told they had 6 months to live. If being in isolation for a few months have them that time then it’s a no brainer for me. Europe will be fine. Look at the brilliant measures the French are putting into place for its people. It’s capitalism that can’t cope with this. I agree mate. Hmm, though on the 'Europe' will be fine mate, let's not jump ahead. They're panicking too. Everyone is - it's unprecedented. And it's not just 'capitalism' that is the problem. Look at Spain. Look at Italy. Let's face it, the world is absolutely shattered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 12:27:17 GMT -5
Once UBI starts getting paid out the western world becomes a different place. Capitalism won't be able to get the cat back in that bag.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2020 13:21:49 GMT -5
I know in America most of our deaths are the elderly. Media doesn’t go out of its way to declare that because of a complete panic from that sector of the population but I bet it’s similar around the globe. For the most part under 65 people get thru this virus and bounce back fine. It’s the old and people with chronic conditions already that are the prime targets of the virus’ mortality rate. It is mainly how it works, but not completely People under 40 can also be affected, and even if most of them survive they might still need intensive care We've been told "it's just a bad flu" for weeks over here and look at us now (and our helthcare system is actually not so bad), to me it looks like other countries are not learning from out mistakes at all, but instead repeating them Oh I get it. Know everyone can and prob will get sick but in the USA the majority of deaths are the elderly. Its younger people getting them sick. Its devastating when it enters an old age home. Like the one in New York.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 18, 2020 14:11:43 GMT -5
The arrogant Olympics are next. It’s unfortunate but a must. Well again, I'd stress with this there has to be some perspective. When does it stop in cancelling or postponing these events? What gets me is when all the lockdowns etc are lifted, people are just gonna flood into arenas, concerts and bars and stuff and the issue will still be here. So there's got to be a line in the sand somewhere. I don't see anything wrong with the Olympics doing all they can to go ahead as long as it doesn't endanger anyone. As it stands, we're four months and one week away from them starting. If they can go ahead they should go ahead and there's nothing wrong with waiting until the moment they can't go ahead for them to be postponed. The UK acknowledged again today that the infection rate is still rising even though the measures are working to an extent. There is no chance the majoirty of the population in the UK won't have already had this illness by the end of April. It is spreading far too quickly. Hopefully the health system can handle it and hopefully the measures in place help spread out and delay it as much as possible – that will reduce deaths. It's going to be a tough ride but these forecasts of months from now I think are wide of the mark just based on how its spread so far. So like with Glasto, I pretty much agree that the Olympics will go, but this pandemic will have swept through the population long before then I fear.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 18, 2020 14:51:18 GMT -5
Different US/UK policies here. US at a stand still. UK seems to be still operating more or less. Hope the best outcome for each nation of course.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2020 15:03:34 GMT -5
The arrogant Olympics are next. It’s unfortunate but a must. Well again, I'd stress with this there has to be some perspective. When does it stop in cancelling or postponing these events? What gets me is when all the lockdowns etc are lifted, people are just gonna flood into arenas, concerts and bars and stuff and the issue will still be here. So there's got to be a line in the sand somewhere. I don't see anything wrong with the Olympics doing all they can to go ahead as long as it doesn't endanger anyone. As it stands, we're four months and one week away from them starting. If they can go ahead they should go ahead and there's nothing wrong with waiting until the moment they can't go ahead for them to be postponed. The UK acknowledged again today that the infection rate is still rising even though the measures are working to an extent. There is no chance the majoirty of the population in the UK won't have already had this illness by the end of April. It is spreading far too quickly. Hopefully the health system can handle it and hopefully the measures in place help spread out and delay it as much as possible – that will reduce deaths. It's going to be a tough ride but these forecasts of months from now I think are wide of the mark just based on how its spread so far. So like with Glasto, I pretty much agree that the Olympics will go, but this pandemic will have swept through the population long before then I fear. It’s about the safety of putting on the event and staging. People are too busy trying to stay healthy and protect their families. Not working on Olympic logistics. Likewise athletes might not be training anymore to their former standards. You reach a point where it’s just a game and not worth people flying in, flying out, spreading anything, who knows. I just don’t see how it happens in july. I’ve seen everything else in the world get tossed aside. They are no different. Don’t even get me started about that leaking nuclear power plant either.......
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 18, 2020 15:07:22 GMT -5
This is different than 9/11, but it’s worse than 9/11. Can’t believe what we are all living through.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 18, 2020 17:14:22 GMT -5
Well again, I'd stress with this there has to be some perspective. When does it stop in cancelling or postponing these events? What gets me is when all the lockdowns etc are lifted, people are just gonna flood into arenas, concerts and bars and stuff and the issue will still be here. So there's got to be a line in the sand somewhere. I don't see anything wrong with the Olympics doing all they can to go ahead as long as it doesn't endanger anyone. As it stands, we're four months and one week away from them starting. If they can go ahead they should go ahead and there's nothing wrong with waiting until the moment they can't go ahead for them to be postponed. The UK acknowledged again today that the infection rate is still rising even though the measures are working to an extent. There is no chance the majoirty of the population in the UK won't have already had this illness by the end of April. It is spreading far too quickly. Hopefully the health system can handle it and hopefully the measures in place help spread out and delay it as much as possible – that will reduce deaths. It's going to be a tough ride but these forecasts of months from now I think are wide of the mark just based on how its spread so far. So like with Glasto, I pretty much agree that the Olympics will go, but this pandemic will have swept through the population long before then I fear. It’s about the safety of putting on the event and staging. People are too busy trying to stay healthy and protect their families. Not working on Olympic logistics. Likewise athletes might not be training anymore to their former standards. You reach a point where it’s just a game and not worth people flying in, flying out, spreading anything, who knows. I just don’t see how it happens in july. I’ve seen everything else in the world get tossed aside. They are no different. Don’t even get me started about that leaking nuclear power plant either....... Agree with all of that. We'll have to see what happens. They're clearly trying their best to make it work. A decision will have to be made sooner or later. From a personal point of view, I dearly hope not. It's another income stream gone for me. In the space of days I've lost the Euros, Glasto and possibly the Olympics, all of which I had lined up definite work for (gig reviews etc - obviously being a sports reporter I was going to be working both Euros and Olympics). I'm not exaggerating when I say that's probably about £6000 I've lost out on in one fell swoop, maybe more. Not to mention the fact that all sports events have been postponed for now too which has pretty much wiped out my income for March. I appreciate any freelancers in the industry I'm in are in the same position. But it doesn't make it any easier. It's also all well and good them coming back next year, but a year is a long time and I have bills to pay now. As it stands, though I'm hopeful it'll change, there's no government support for freelancers. I am actively looking for other work since i've lost my two main jobs on Monday – for the time being at least, they will come back at some stage albeit likely in a reduced capacity. I'm seriously having to consider job-seeker's allowance to help me pay my bills. My life has been flipped on its head in three days. So seeing more and more events that were my bread and butter this year go is devastating. And when they're so far away... I just don't mind a bit more waiting before they scrap everything. As i've said, I don't get how when all these lockdowns are lifted, the illness won't just come back anyway for those not already immune in one way or the other. So what do we do in the years going forward?
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Post by eva on Mar 18, 2020 17:43:50 GMT -5
I know in America most of our deaths are the elderly. Media doesn’t go out of its way to declare that because of a complete panic from that sector of the population but I bet it’s similar around the globe. For the most part under 65 people get thru this virus and bounce back fine. It’s the old and people with chronic conditions already that are the prime targets of the virus’ mortality rate. It is mainly how it works, but not completely People under 40 can also be affected, and even if most of them survive they might still need intensive care We've been told "it's just a bad flu" for weeks over here and look at us now (and our helthcare system is actually not so bad), to me it looks like other countries are not learning from out mistakes at all, but instead repeating them which mistakes do you think other countries are repeating? I guess the most effective measures are the ones implemented by South Korea, with mass testings and early isolations, but not every country has the same resources. for instance, over here they are trying to get more labs to do tests quickly because we only have one lab doing them and they are completely delayed, which is why there must be way more infected than the official numbers
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Post by globe on Mar 18, 2020 18:24:36 GMT -5
It’s about the safety of putting on the event and staging. People are too busy trying to stay healthy and protect their families. Not working on Olympic logistics. Likewise athletes might not be training anymore to their former standards. You reach a point where it’s just a game and not worth people flying in, flying out, spreading anything, who knows. I just don’t see how it happens in july. I’ve seen everything else in the world get tossed aside. They are no different. Don’t even get me started about that leaking nuclear power plant either....... Agree with all of that. We'll have to see what happens. They're clearly trying their best to make it work. A decision will have to be made sooner or later. From a personal point of view, I dearly hope not. It's another income stream gone for me. In the space of days I've lost the Euros, Glasto and possibly the Olympics, all of which I had lined up definite work for (gig reviews etc - obviously being a sports reporter I was going to be working both Euros and Olympics). I'm not exaggerating when I say that's probably about £6000 I've lost out on in one fell swoop, maybe more. Not to mention the fact that all sports events have been postponed for now too which has pretty much wiped out my income for March. I appreciate any freelancers in the industry I'm in are in the same position. But it doesn't make it any easier. It's also all well and good them coming back next year, but a year is a long time and I have bills to pay now. As it stands, though I'm hopeful it'll change, there's no government support for freelancers. I am actively looking for other work since i've lost my two main jobs on Monday – for the time being at least, they will come back at some stage albeit likely in a reduced capacity. I'm seriously having to consider job-seeker's allowance to help me pay my bills. My life has been flipped on its head in three days. So seeing more and more events that were my bread and butter this year go is devastating. And when they're so far away... I just don't mind a bit more waiting before they scrap everything. As i've said, I don't get how when all these lockdowns are lifted, the illness won't just come back anyway for those not already immune in one way or the other. So what do we do in the years going forward? The government really need to step up and assist people in your position. Hope you can get through this my friend, don’t be afraid to reach out to family and friends for help.
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Post by daviesh on Mar 18, 2020 18:25:41 GMT -5
The problem is that many NHS workers have children, the last thing we need is them having time off to look after their kids. You also have the issue of grandparents having to look after them, the ones we're trying to protect the most. Its a tough situation to manage. The uk government have announced a £330 billion intervention to help businesses which is very good news. All the schools/kindergarten/primary school/high school/uni/college in The Netherlands are closed until 6th April. All the children must stay at home, but our government made an exception for people who work as medical staff, fire man, police, teacher, transport driver, people working in supermarket. Their children are allowed to go to school to be taken care at school while the parents are working. This is the scenerio the UK adopted today. Seems sensible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 18:44:45 GMT -5
It is mainly how it works, but not completely People under 40 can also be affected, and even if most of them survive they might still need intensive care We've been told "it's just a bad flu" for weeks over here and look at us now (and our helthcare system is actually not so bad), to me it looks like other countries are not learning from out mistakes at all, but instead repeating them which mistakes do you think other countries are repeating? I guess the most effective measures are the ones implemented by South Korea, with mass testings and early isolations, but not every country has the same resources. for instance, over here they are trying to get more labs to do tests quickly because we only have one lab doing them and they are completely delayed, which is why there must be way more infected than the official numbers Another thing worth considering is how culture impacts the effects of the measures european goverments are taking. There are already been countless reports of people breaking quarentine in France, Spain and Italy despite the fact they aren't even allowed on the streets right now without a valid reason (getting food, medicine, or working in vital sectors). Asian countries have a better sense of discipline than the common European country has. And I'm not even talking about China here because that's more of a forced discipline. South Korea and Japan are democratic but their people are very disciplined and that is very important in situations like this.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 18, 2020 19:28:05 GMT -5
Agree with all of that. We'll have to see what happens. They're clearly trying their best to make it work. A decision will have to be made sooner or later. From a personal point of view, I dearly hope not. It's another income stream gone for me. In the space of days I've lost the Euros, Glasto and possibly the Olympics, all of which I had lined up definite work for (gig reviews etc - obviously being a sports reporter I was going to be working both Euros and Olympics). I'm not exaggerating when I say that's probably about £6000 I've lost out on in one fell swoop, maybe more. Not to mention the fact that all sports events have been postponed for now too which has pretty much wiped out my income for March. I appreciate any freelancers in the industry I'm in are in the same position. But it doesn't make it any easier. It's also all well and good them coming back next year, but a year is a long time and I have bills to pay now. As it stands, though I'm hopeful it'll change, there's no government support for freelancers. I am actively looking for other work since i've lost my two main jobs on Monday – for the time being at least, they will come back at some stage albeit likely in a reduced capacity. I'm seriously having to consider job-seeker's allowance to help me pay my bills. My life has been flipped on its head in three days. So seeing more and more events that were my bread and butter this year go is devastating. And when they're so far away... I just don't mind a bit more waiting before they scrap everything. As i've said, I don't get how when all these lockdowns are lifted, the illness won't just come back anyway for those not already immune in one way or the other. So what do we do in the years going forward? The government really need to step up and assist people in your position. Hope you can get through this my friend, don’t be afraid to reach out to family and friends for help. Thanks, really appreciate that a lot. I'm sure it'll come. At the end of the day I can't really blame the government (and I'm by no means a fan of this bunch) for not getting to every eventuality so far. Hopefully every day things become clearer and they will need to provide – at the end of the day that's their secondary job now after ensuring the death toll is kept to as low as possible (I know it sounds blunt, but that's the case ultimately). I'm angry at all European governments for not having taken precautions to slow this entire thing down weeks ago. It probably couldn't be stopped but I think collectively that's where it needed to be better. Appreciate this is an unprecedented situation but puts our petty squabbles over Brexit etc (in the UK) in perspective I think – and it shows where all governments in the west need to be better prepared. It's here now though and obviously the main priority is people's health. But the mental and emotional factors in health shouldn't be underestimated in this situation and people banging on about quarantining and cancelling everything (not suggesting that's what Lennon has done at all here) need to appreciate that too. Off on a tangent here but Maya Jama posting a vid on her Twitter earlier of singing off her balcony during 'quarantine' irrationally peeved me off. For one, there is currently no enforced quarantine in the UK. There will definitely be one soon, starting with London sharpish, but as it stands there is no lockdown. Just the government advice to follow if you have symptoms. I'm seeing so many people on Twitter in 'self-isolation' – they can't all have it. They've suddenly just developed a fever in the three days since the gov introduced these rules? It's just annoyed me, tbh. Don't think people understand how much this whole thing has directly or indirectly impacted people. And what do all these people do in 14 days' time? When they haven't been ill – or they can't know they've got it unless they show symptoms (many of which are identical to a common cold which is rife this time of year anyway). Anyway, sorry for rambling. My head is still a bit all over the place and this is at least a space to talk some stuff out - it seems to help. I'm fortunate I don't have a family to support. I have my own bills to pay, though it's still a fair chunk, and that's it – I'm 25 and in good health generally so fingers crossed I don't have to worry about the illness crippling me. All of my immediate family are self-employed too so I'm worried for them – it's already taken work from both my mum and my sister (who has pretty severe asthma so is considered in the 'vulnerable' camp, but has carried on working as much as possible – her fiancé is also self-employed and runs a small business so it's really all up in the air atm, though there should be some grants available for him soon).
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Post by mossy on Mar 19, 2020 4:09:55 GMT -5
The government really need to step up and assist people in your position. Hope you can get through this my friend, don’t be afraid to reach out to family and friends for help. Thanks, really appreciate that a lot. I'm sure it'll come. At the end of the day I can't really blame the government (and I'm by no means a fan of this bunch) for not getting to every eventuality so far. Hopefully every day things become clearer and they will need to provide – at the end of the day that's their secondary job now after ensuring the death toll is kept to as low as possible (I know it sounds blunt, but that's the case ultimately). I'm angry at all European governments for not having taken precautions to slow this entire thing down weeks ago. It probably couldn't be stopped but I think collectively that's where it needed to be better. Appreciate this is an unprecedented situation but puts our petty squabbles over Brexit etc (in the UK) in perspective I think – and it shows where all governments in the west need to be better prepared. It's here now though and obviously the main priority is people's health. But the mental and emotional factors in health shouldn't be underestimated in this situation and people banging on about quarantining and cancelling everything (not suggesting that's what Lennon has done at all here) need to appreciate that too. Off on a tangent here but Maya Jama posting a vid on her Twitter earlier of singing off her balcony during 'quarantine' irrationally peeved me off. For one, there is currently no enforced quarantine in the UK. There will definitely be one soon, starting with London sharpish, but as it stands there is no lockdown. Just the government advice to follow if you have symptoms. I'm seeing so many people on Twitter in 'self-isolation' – they can't all have it. They've suddenly just developed a fever in the three days since the gov introduced these rules? It's just annoyed me, tbh. Don't think people understand how much this whole thing has directly or indirectly impacted people. And what do all these people do in 14 days' time? When they haven't been ill – or they can't know they've got it unless they show symptoms (many of which are identical to a common cold which is rife this time of year anyway). Anyway, sorry for rambling. My head is still a bit all over the place and this is at least a space to talk some stuff out - it seems to help. I'm fortunate I don't have a family to support. I have my own bills to pay, though it's still a fair chunk, and that's it – I'm 25 and in good health generally so fingers crossed I don't have to worry about the illness crippling me. All of my immediate family are self-employed too so I'm worried for them – it's already taken work from both my mum and my sister (who has pretty severe asthma so is considered in the 'vulnerable' camp, but has carried on working as much as possible – her fiancé is also self-employed and runs a small business so it's really all up in the air atm, though there should be some grants available for him soon). The government is recommending social distancing regardless of whether you have symptoms or not. So yeah, it’s not an enforced quarantine, but Maya and the twatterers are following the government’s guidelines even if they’re using the wrong terminology. This is the best scientific video I’ve seen on it. Stay safe and rational. PS I’m self employed too; I feel your pain! X
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Post by morning_rain on Mar 19, 2020 4:33:22 GMT -5
which mistakes do you think other countries are repeating? I guess the most effective measures are the ones implemented by South Korea, with mass testings and early isolations, but not every country has the same resources. for instance, over here they are trying to get more labs to do tests quickly because we only have one lab doing them and they are completely delayed, which is why there must be way more infected than the official numbers Another thing worth considering is how culture impacts the effects of the measures european goverments are taking. There are already been countless reports of people breaking quarentine in France, Spain and Italy despite the fact they aren't even allowed on the streets right now without a valid reason (getting food, medicine, or working in vital sectors).Asian countries have a better sense of discipline than the common European country has. And I'm not even talking about China here because that's more of a forced discipline. South Korea and Japan are democratic but their people are very disciplined and that is very important in situations like this. To be honest most of those people are foreign tourists. People who were on holiday here when this happened and refuse to stay in their hotels or airbnb because this is 'just a bad flu'.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 19, 2020 5:19:50 GMT -5
Thanks, really appreciate that a lot. I'm sure it'll come. At the end of the day I can't really blame the government (and I'm by no means a fan of this bunch) for not getting to every eventuality so far. Hopefully every day things become clearer and they will need to provide – at the end of the day that's their secondary job now after ensuring the death toll is kept to as low as possible (I know it sounds blunt, but that's the case ultimately). I'm angry at all European governments for not having taken precautions to slow this entire thing down weeks ago. It probably couldn't be stopped but I think collectively that's where it needed to be better. Appreciate this is an unprecedented situation but puts our petty squabbles over Brexit etc (in the UK) in perspective I think – and it shows where all governments in the west need to be better prepared. It's here now though and obviously the main priority is people's health. But the mental and emotional factors in health shouldn't be underestimated in this situation and people banging on about quarantining and cancelling everything (not suggesting that's what Lennon has done at all here) need to appreciate that too. Off on a tangent here but Maya Jama posting a vid on her Twitter earlier of singing off her balcony during 'quarantine' irrationally peeved me off. For one, there is currently no enforced quarantine in the UK. There will definitely be one soon, starting with London sharpish, but as it stands there is no lockdown. Just the government advice to follow if you have symptoms. I'm seeing so many people on Twitter in 'self-isolation' – they can't all have it. They've suddenly just developed a fever in the three days since the gov introduced these rules? It's just annoyed me, tbh. Don't think people understand how much this whole thing has directly or indirectly impacted people. And what do all these people do in 14 days' time? When they haven't been ill – or they can't know they've got it unless they show symptoms (many of which are identical to a common cold which is rife this time of year anyway). Anyway, sorry for rambling. My head is still a bit all over the place and this is at least a space to talk some stuff out - it seems to help. I'm fortunate I don't have a family to support. I have my own bills to pay, though it's still a fair chunk, and that's it – I'm 25 and in good health generally so fingers crossed I don't have to worry about the illness crippling me. All of my immediate family are self-employed too so I'm worried for them – it's already taken work from both my mum and my sister (who has pretty severe asthma so is considered in the 'vulnerable' camp, but has carried on working as much as possible – her fiancé is also self-employed and runs a small business so it's really all up in the air atm, though there should be some grants available for him soon). The government is recommending social distancing regardless of whether you have symptoms or not. So yeah, it’s not an enforced quarantine, but Maya and the twatterers are following the government’s guidelines even if they’re using the wrong terminology. This is the best scientific video I’ve seen on it. Stay safe and rational. PS I’m self employed too; I feel your pain!X I know mate. Obviously if you're in London or a big city then social distancing may mean staying indoors. I'm not, I live in a pretty rural area – I'm lucky in that regard. Will follow whatever measures there is and most places around here are shutting down anyway now, for the time-being at least (who knows how many will actually make it back to opening?). So it's been pretty easy for me to 'socially distance' so far. And yep, it's just a horrid, worrying time atm. For loads of people.
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Post by mimmihopps on Mar 19, 2020 5:29:19 GMT -5
I'm not for complete lock down for The Netherlands at this moment at least, but we have to deal with many German and Belgium people who come here to do a huge shopping as shops are closed in Germany and Belgium.
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Post by eva on Mar 19, 2020 5:43:01 GMT -5
interesting thread (click on timestamp for the rest):
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 19, 2020 8:35:50 GMT -5
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Post by Manualex on Mar 19, 2020 11:35:56 GMT -5
First death in México, the guy went to a gig by Ghost 3 of March.
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