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Post by oasisunited on Jul 20, 2020 12:12:16 GMT -5
This. The R0 (transmission rate) of Influenza is about 1.4-1.6 (meaning 1 person infects about 1.5 other people). The current estimates on SARS-CoV-2 is about 5.7, meaning one person infects about 6 other people. Early on, they believed it was closer to the 2.x range, but that has been proven wrong after we have had time to gather more data. That last bit underlies this whole discussion -- anyone claiming to know one way or another right now is wrong. We are learning to fly the plane while we are building it in the air. We won't know how bad this is until it is over and we have enough data to determine it. That is why people are urging caution with regards to the response, because the data in the end could end up being far worse that we even know now. The decision we have to make is whether or not we want to bet it it will be better than thought and risk people's health in the process if we end up being wrong. www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.htmlwww.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-worse-than-fluwww.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30484-9.pdfI mean, I'm seeing completely different numbers in all 3 articles, but they all seem to trend worse than the flu R0. That's kind of the underlying point: the number keeps changing for SARS-CoV-2 as we get more data/as the testing improves. It could end up being the same as the flu or it could be much worse. The question is whether or not we just assume it will end up being the same as the flu and throw caution to the wind or take a more conservative (with a lower c) approach to letting it transmit as will. Will it end up in the 5-6 range when it is all over? Probably not, but do we want to take that chance?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 20, 2020 12:22:50 GMT -5
That's kind of the underlying point: the number keeps changing for SARS-CoV-2 as we get more data/as the testing improves. It could end up being the same as the flu or it could be much worse. The question is whether or not we just assume it will end up being the same as the flu and throw caution to the wind or take a more conservative (with a lower c) approach to letting it transmit as will. Will it end up in the 5-6 range when it is all over? Probably not, but do we want to take that chance? I think we should assume it will be much worse and take precautions as such.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 21, 2020 16:52:14 GMT -5
15 000 000!!!!!!!!!!
Out of 7 800 000 000.
63 millions more and 1% of population will be infected!!!!!!! And nothing will happen to 99% of them!!!!!!
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Post by Manualex on Jul 21, 2020 17:05:38 GMT -5
15 000 000!!!!!!!!!! Out of 7 800 000 000. 63 millions more and 1% of population will be infected!!!!!!! And nothing will happen to 99% of them!!!!!! As long as you or your close ones arent infected you can go and gather with people. But hey, if you get sick then no worries. Ffs.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 22, 2020 0:29:39 GMT -5
15 000 000!!!!!!!!!! Out of 7 800 000 000. 63 millions more and 1% of population will be infected!!!!!!! And nothing will happen to 99% of them!!!!!! This is legit disturbing and absolutely gross. You are as selfish as they come.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 22, 2020 3:46:44 GMT -5
I find cure for Covid - don't watch TV and don't read news on internet.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 22, 2020 10:15:53 GMT -5
I find cure for Covid - don't watch TV and don't read news on internet. It's a shame that people such as yourself require first hand experience to get a clue.
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Post by welshylad on Jul 23, 2020 9:25:24 GMT -5
3rd time this week Wales has had no deaths.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 23, 2020 11:05:27 GMT -5
3rd time this week Wales has had no deaths. What's your secret?
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Post by globe on Jul 23, 2020 14:12:38 GMT -5
3rd time this week Wales has had no deaths. What's your secret? 3 months of lockdown and then everyone being careful as fuck since lockdown finished. Either that or COVID simply doesn't exist anymore and we've all been lied to. Which one do you think it is?
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 24, 2020 5:28:05 GMT -5
I am just interested to see what solution is the best. I am not saying that virus doesn't exist, I am just pro Swedish model. And it seems that is working for them, they also have great results in last few days.
No matter what I write, it really isn't hard for me to wear a mask where they said we need to wear them and to keep social distance as much as possible. Washing hands and all that, I was doing that and I will do that with our without existence of Covid.
I am just against lies, propaganda and panic. Am I joking and making fun talking about virus? Yes! We should do that about everything. Even if you die, would you rather die in panic or with smile on your face? Am I saying to virus, fuck you, you can't do anything to me? Yes, I am, and to every other disease also. Am I putting anyone else in danger? Hardly. No, I will never wear mask while cycling and that's it. But nobody said that I should, it's not against the law and all other people on bikes are without masks. I go everywhere with bike and people go with public transport and they are wearing masks. Guess who is putting more people in danger if he/she has virus?
I am doing the best I can but we didn't find cure for every other disease and there is no 100% protection for anything.
Nobody will ever lock us down like they did few months ago. Vitamin D is key for immune system and fight against virus and spending time in the sun is the best way to get vitamin D.
If I have dinner with my mother in our house, I can also sit with her in park in front of our house with nobody at least 100m around us. And then what, some idiot with camera will make fun of me or police will write ticket? FO!
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jul 24, 2020 7:07:22 GMT -5
Victoria on high alert as cages surge.
Someone was sacked.
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Post by globe on Jul 24, 2020 9:43:45 GMT -5
Just reading the UK July death figures there:
Scotland- 9 Wales- 38 NI- 5 England- 1772
Even taking into consideration that England is the biggest country in the UK, that’s some really eye opening figures?
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Post by welshylad on Jul 28, 2020 6:46:54 GMT -5
3rd time this week Wales has had no deaths. What's your secret? God knows, seems to be settling in Wales. Average daily confirmed cases is around 20, and the deaths seem to have come to a halt
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 29, 2020 15:29:49 GMT -5
The Dutch government on Wednesday said it will not advise the public to wear masks to slow the spread of coronavirus, asserting that their effectiveness has not been proven.
"Because from a medical perspective there is no proven effectiveness of masks, the Cabinet has decided that there will be no national obligation for wearing non-medical masks" Van Ark said.
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Post by globe on Jul 29, 2020 16:04:35 GMT -5
The Dutch government on Wednesday said it will not advise the public to wear masks to slow the spread of coronavirus, asserting that their effectiveness has not been proven. "Because from a medical perspective there is no proven effectiveness of masks, the Cabinet has decided that there will be no national obligation for wearing non-medical masks" Van Ark said. I dinna get that. If it’s not been 100% proven then that means it’s not been 100% unproven either. So if it might help, even if there is a tiny chance it might help, then just fucking wear one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:08:51 GMT -5
At my work I've seen early version of a questionnaire that suggests if you have a BMI over 35 then you shouldn't be going back into an office. Challenge accepted, fuckers.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 29, 2020 16:16:10 GMT -5
To make it clear, everyone has to wear a mask in all the public transport in The Netherlands since 1st of June. It’s was announced tonight that the local governments in the South of the country, near to the Belgium border, gonna take more strict measures including wearing masks. Belgium, especially in Antwerp it got worse since last week. The Dutch government on Wednesday said it will not advise the public to wear masks to slow the spread of coronavirus, asserting that their effectiveness has not been proven. "Because from a medical perspective there is no proven effectiveness of masks, the Cabinet has decided that there will be no national obligation for wearing non-medical masks" Van Ark said. How could you get that information while you never watch/read the news?
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 29, 2020 16:56:38 GMT -5
To make it clear, everyone has to wear a mask in all the public transport in The Netherlands since 1st of June. It’s was announced tonight that the local governments in the South of the country, near to the Belgium border, gonna take more strict measures including wearing masks. Belgium, especially in Antwerp it got worse since last week. The Dutch government on Wednesday said it will not advise the public to wear masks to slow the spread of coronavirus, asserting that their effectiveness has not been proven. "Because from a medical perspective there is no proven effectiveness of masks, the Cabinet has decided that there will be no national obligation for wearing non-medical masks" Van Ark said. How could you get that information while you never watch/read the news? I have friend, you know, we talk. Btw, is your government good or idiots? I am asking to know what to think about their decision.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 29, 2020 20:10:03 GMT -5
You can demonstrate the effectiveness of masks with your very own breath and a candle. Try to blow it out masked and unmasked. Thanks, Bill Nye. There's been tests conducted with sneezing and coughing into a culture both masked and unmasked. The results are undeniably clear.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Jul 31, 2020 4:56:58 GMT -5
Abe is an idiot weird stupid prime minister
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 31, 2020 8:42:48 GMT -5
Abe is an idiot weird stupid prime minister Government encouraging the nation to go on holiday by giving them 50% discount. You can't believe this, can you? Stay safe, dog!
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Jul 31, 2020 10:04:48 GMT -5
Abe is an idiot weird stupid prime minister Government encouraging the nation to go on holiday by giving them 50% discount. You can't believe this, can you? Stay safe, dog! Government also encouraging "WORKATION", that people to work and enjoy vacation at the same time. I can't understand "WORKATION" means, This is the just Work. Abe says nothing, So I don't know his thoughts, "Economy first" or "Health first". 最低最悪の日本首相。
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 31, 2020 11:46:50 GMT -5
Government encouraging the nation to go on holiday by giving them 50% discount. You can't believe this, can you? Stay safe, dog! Government also encouraging "WORKATION", that people to work and enjoy vacation at the same time. I can't understand "WORKATION" means, This is the just Work. Abe says nothing, So I don't know his thoughts, "Economy first" or "Health first". 最低最悪の日本首相。 “最低最悪の日本首相”, can’t agree more. He remains silence like “my nation won’t attack me as long as I keep my mouth shut”. What a disaster. And what’s “Go to eat”? FFS?!
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Jul 31, 2020 12:23:53 GMT -5
Government also encouraging "WORKATION", that people to work and enjoy vacation at the same time. I can't understand "WORKATION" means, This is the just Work. Abe says nothing, So I don't know his thoughts, "Economy first" or "Health first". 最低最悪の日本首相。 “最低最悪の日本首相”, can’t agree more. He remains silence like “my nation won’t attack me as long as I keep my mouth shut”. What a disaster. And what’s “Go to eat”? FFS?! He often remains silence when happened bad thing, typhoon, earth quake etc. Maybe he doesn't think about Economy or Health, He only thinks about himself. If he issued states of emergency again, that will become admit his fault (Go To Travel). "Go to Travel" should rename to "Go To Trouble". ha!
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