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Post by bt95 on Jan 5, 2020 15:25:26 GMT -5
Its so weird to me that of everything, that's what you take from Oasis. Oasis were about community, inclusivity and communal hope at a time when all that was lacking. Noel doesn't seem to see the similarities between then and now Because we need each other, We believe in one other. And I know we’re gonna uncover What’s sleeping our soul. thomaslivesforever It's not the only thing I've taken. The attitude of Oasis - to me - was always "you've got to make it happen" You've got to do it yourself. Doesn't mean you can't do it with others. Doesn't mean you can't do it for others. Doesn't mean I don't value community or that I don't want society be a better place. I want and have all of those things and enjoy them. I generally just want people to be able to live their lives and be happy and let others be happy no matter what their beliefs, gender, race or sexuality or whatever - as long as those beliefs or whatever aren't infringing on other people's rights to be happy. That's my outlook. I don't like people getting on their high horse because someone thinks differently. Or because they have this view that people owe something back. Nobody owes anyone anything in life, imo. That doesn't mean people shouldn't give back, or shouldn't try and benefit the community as a whole. If we all work together and all that the world will be a better place.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 5, 2020 15:31:28 GMT -5
I agree with all of that. I just don't like how people get labelled Tory for not going with the Monentum group think. And for me, collectivism is just as dangerous as individualism can be - the idea that everybody should think the same way because of their race/religion/gender/sexuality etc - and you can't tell me that that isn't a big factor in the current left-wing politics, because it is). The referendum and elections have proved it. But what - in this particular interview - has Noel done/said that's so selfish? Not vote Labour? A party which is so atrocious it has been demolished by the worst, most horrid bunch of Tories in decades - not once, but twice, in three years? For all we know, he could give hundreds of thousands a year to charity, or whatever. We don't know. We know he's always been a big patron of TCT etc. Look at Oasis when they came through - surely Noel with his 'power to the people' stuff was just doing similar to what Stormzy is now? Maybe in 20 years, if Stormzy is as successful then as he is now, his outlook will change too? When he called Ed Miliband a communist (Ed fucking Miliband!) then that’s worrying that even somebody not really that left wing is berated as such. Sounds like the ill informed Daily Mail reader who thinks Blair was a socialist. His main gripe always seems to be the ‘punishing success’ cliche that, well, Tories spin out - it’s always about how it will affect him with no acknowledgement of what needs to done to society as a whole. Everything he argues is geared towards the individual. And I agree collectivism is not the way forward -but Labour hasn’t preached that as that brings up negative connotations of Communism. Nobody is saying we should all be the same - I’m arguing for communitarianism not collectivism. It is basic human connections that builds tolerance and empathy for others and a successful community is a diverse one that has good ratings of well-being and social capital, and good support networks for those in need. It is not uniform and identical like collectivism preaches. And to make sure it’s not just left wing cliches about welfare and all that, the left can also take ownership of traditional ‘Tory’ policy like business (who by the way don’t give a fuck about local business and happily will see big businesses trample over them) - preaching the support for local businesses, co-operatives and such. Just look at the successful Labour co-operatives that were set up years ago as evidence of Labour being pro-business that are healthy for local communities and the local income, particularly in the north of England. Again, that tramples over the idea of Noel thinking Labour punishes success. Then again, if your pally with tossers at The Sun like Noel is, then you’re stupid enough to say the things he does. As I've said mate, I really don't disagree with you. Noel's entitled to his opinion. I think it's misinformed. But in this particular interview - and I will have to go back and read it because it's been a few weeks - I just don't think he said much wrong. Unfortunately Labour have gone backwards and until there's a leader that manages to appeal to more people it won't change. It's sad. But it's the truth. Labour didn't win over anyone between 2017 and 2019. It was basically an echo chamber for two years. But hey, at least they're righteous. Though fat lot of good that's gonna do when Johnson and his cronies have the next five years.
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Wolf
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Post by Wolf on Jan 11, 2020 10:51:16 GMT -5
Or the year after my parents’ divorce when my mother forgot to order the turkey and my brothers had to go to a halal butcher on Portobello Road on Christmas Eve and came back with a small capon.
Oh my, the horror you had to endure at Christmas compared to Noel my dear Rachel. The absolute horror.
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