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Post by AubreyOasis on Aug 11, 2019 4:49:47 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Aug 11, 2019 5:05:42 GMT -5
Thanks! Very long and interesting interview.
Here's a transcript for people who don't have an account or don't want to register:
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Post by frjdoasis on Aug 11, 2019 5:50:04 GMT -5
grazie carlo!
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Post by deadman on Aug 11, 2019 5:53:58 GMT -5
Terrible questions asked. Full of "you used to do this" and "you used to say that". Physically cringed when the interviewer tried to bring up the good things Noel father did for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 5:54:55 GMT -5
"about whom I have been forbidden from asking questions"
Good decision. Much more interesting to hear him talk about other things.
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 11, 2019 8:17:21 GMT -5
Terrible questions asked. Full of "you used to do this" and "you used to say that". Physically cringed when the interviewer tried to bring up the good things Noel father did for him. I thought pretty much all this.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 11, 2019 8:34:13 GMT -5
thanx. Interesting itw especially about Sail On, being from CY. I wonder if Rattling Rose is too, and how many unreleased tunes Noel has from the period 2010 - 2015.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 11, 2019 8:36:04 GMT -5
Jesus. Noel out of London. Back to a country pile.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 11, 2019 8:39:36 GMT -5
thanx. Interesting itw especially about Sail On, being from CY. I wonder if Rattling Rose is too, and how many unreleased tunes Noel has from the period 2010 - 2015. I'd say RR is definitely new. For one, he said it was the song he was working for for the BSD EP before BSD came along. Two, it's evidently based around a bass and he said last year all his new songs were been written on the bass. From that I think it's fair to assume it's relatively new (i.e. not 5-6 years old (if not older) which some CY songs are now). TITP he mentions as being a leftover from the last album, but in the Radio X interview he also said it was more that the basic idea was a leftover and that he actually 'came up with the idea' a few months back. So it could just be he had the general words/melody, and not the structure of the song.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Aug 11, 2019 11:33:02 GMT -5
Sad to hear him wanting to taking the emotion out of his songs. Deliberately. What a waste of genius
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 11:37:15 GMT -5
Jesus. Noel out of London. Back to a country pile. He’ll be near me 😊😊😊
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Aug 11, 2019 11:39:51 GMT -5
"When I started to pick guitars on stuff it sounds too melodic, too emotive. That was the good thing about working with David Holmes. He who would just say, ‘There’s too much emotion in it. We need to get right back to the root notes of this kind of thing.’ I guess what’s going to happen in the next couple of years"
Those words are the worst things I've heard in a long time for music...just very disappointing.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 11, 2019 11:45:36 GMT -5
Not a fan of this idea of Walsh talking on a track. Could be good. Could be shit.
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Post by glider on Aug 11, 2019 14:05:42 GMT -5
The idea that Avant garde music cannot be emotional or melodic is absurd. 'Sometimes' by MBV is such a unique piece of art and is a full on emotional assault about unrequited love, with a production of apocalyptic guitars with a lone acoustic towing the line. And don't forget the soaring synths at the end.
As much as I love WBTM, I don't replay it often. Why? Because there's no emotional appeal to any of the tracks (outside DITW) that keeps me coming back. I'm all for Noel being out of his comfort zone and having extravagant production, but doesn't mean he needs to take the human relatability out of the music as well. WBTM sounds cool, but doesn't emotionally resonate with me at all, and neither does This Is The Place and Black Star Dancing.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 11, 2019 14:17:45 GMT -5
Jesus. Noel out of London. Back to a country pile. He’ll be near me 😊😊😊 Don't go egging his mansion, now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 14:24:24 GMT -5
Don't go egging his mansion, now Haha I think I could drop off some crisps, there’s plenty here 😊
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 14:32:30 GMT -5
Because there's no emotional appeal to any of the tracks (outside DITW) that keeps me coming back. I'm all for Noel being out of his comfort zone and having extravagant production, but doesn't mean he needs to take the human relatability out of the music as well. Nailed it. I like Who Built The Moon? on the treadmill, but it doesn't mean anything to me.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Aug 11, 2019 22:25:51 GMT -5
Noel is insulated from criticism, so I think it’s going to be a few years of beats, boops, electronics, bass lines, and Ysee moaning all over the place...
Still. I want Noel to break my heart one more time...then, he can chase Thom Yorke the rest of his life...
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Post by darmin on Aug 11, 2019 23:03:41 GMT -5
The idea that Avant garde music cannot be emotional or melodic is absurd. 'Sometimes' by MBV is such a unique piece of art and is a full on emotional assault about unrequited love, with a production of apocalyptic guitars with a lone acoustic towing the line. And don't forget the soaring synths at the end. As much as I love WBTM, I don't replay it often. Why? Because there's no emotional appeal to any of the tracks (outside DITW) that keeps me coming back. I'm all for Noel being out of his comfort zone and having extravagant production, but doesn't mean he needs to take the human relatability out of the music as well. WBTM sounds cool, but doesn't emotionally resonate with me at all, and neither does This Is The Place and Black Star Dancing. Noel's new songs aren't even avant-garde music... just imitations of Bowie/INXS/the smiths/the chemical brothers/whoever next, I'm not sure that this kind of music could be considered avant-garde even 40-50 years ago
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Post by yeayeayeah on Aug 12, 2019 2:10:46 GMT -5
The only songs I consider to be quite out there/different style for Noel are HM, BSD and TITP. The rest are all pretty much in his realm of music. A lot of it could have been released as Oasis songs. Noel just likes to use that as an excuse, saying Oasis were stadium rock but they were a lot more than that. Was DOYS stadium rock or most of DBTT? Sail On or RR could have been on anything he's released solo and WBTM is just normal Noel with some (literally) bells and whistles.
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Post by aesthetic on Aug 12, 2019 5:20:07 GMT -5
Jesus. Noel out of London. Back to a country pile. He’ll be near me 😊😊😊 He sold the one in Chalfont St Giles in 2018, so I think he might be looking at another one. Bit disappointed because it is literally down the road from where my Mum lives. Unless you're referring to somewhere else?
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Post by andymorris on Aug 12, 2019 5:35:31 GMT -5
Where does Noel live ? Looks like a shitty neighborhood.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Aug 12, 2019 5:47:35 GMT -5
Obviously I cannot know for sure, but I think Noel's words about emotion are being misunderstood. I also think some comments about Holmes influence are misled.
I think Noel's point about "emotion" is that when he writes now with the guitar, he tends to write mid-tempo or slow-tempo songs based on the vocal melody. That naturally leads him to a certain type of arrangements and a certain type of lyrics. And then he ends up generating 10 "emotional" songs like e.g. 'The Dying of the Light' for an album cycle. These may be good songs, but may not reflect his actual feelings and do not allow him to deliver varied albums and shows.
Holmes said from the first interviews that he wanted Noel to create up-tempo stuff. In the 90s, Noel could write amazing up-tempo rock songs but now it seems he finds it difficult. I would say TSOTL is the only truly great and effortless one from 2000 to WBTM.
From interviews, it seems Holmes tried to revert that by encouraging him to focus in other elements such as bass and percussion and on other styles of up-tempo music (dance, soul, 60's surf groups,...). As result, Noel wrote more up-tempo songs in different styles (Holy Mountain, Fort Knox, Keep on Reaching, BSD, TITP...), and more hooks based on the instrumentation and arrangements (e.g. Fort Knox, STHTF, TMWBTM, TITP), without abandoning strong vocal melodies (most WBTM songs have strong vocal lines and in songs like ILITL and DITW it is still the main hook).
So I think Holmes influence is much deeper than 'adding bells and whistles', and the goal was never to make something 'avant garde'. The goal was widening Noel's hat of tricks and it seems he has succeeded: now Noel is writing some songs with different structure, hooks and instrumentation and credits Holmes for it.
I think this was much needed and I think WBTM and TITP are his most exciting work in a long time, but obviously it is a matter of taste. Still, I think most of Noel songs will always follow his classic template; it's only that now he feels able to escape from it when needed and probably he also thinks that in these EPs he can take things a little further than in an album.
Thanks for attending my Ted Talk
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Post by morning_rain on Aug 12, 2019 5:54:50 GMT -5
"about whom I have been forbidden from asking questions" Good decision. Much more interesting to hear him talk about other things. Exactly. This is the first Noel interview I enjoy in a long time and I think it's because of this. "When I started to pick guitars on stuff it sounds too melodic, too emotive. That was the good thing about working with David Holmes. He who would just say, ‘There’s too much emotion in it. We need to get right back to the root notes of this kind of thing.’ I guess what’s going to happen in the next couple of years" Those words are the worst things I've heard in a long time for music...just very disappointing. Well, I agree but I think we all know this is a phase, and it will pass. He's experimenting, trying to avoid the things he's known for (melodic and emotive music), but I'm sure he'll come back eventually to what he does best. But if he's sick of playing guitar I'd rather have these EPs than no new music at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 6:32:39 GMT -5
He sold the one in Chalfont St Giles in 2018, so I think he might be looking at another one. Bit disappointed because it is literally down the road from where my Mum lives. Unless you're referring to somewhere else? “We’re just about to move out to Hampshire,” he adds. “We didn’t want the kids growing up in London.” Yeah, Hampshire. He got married not far from here, apparently adores it.
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