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Post by andymorris on Aug 5, 2019 6:48:10 GMT -5
"He’s pulled off the incredible magic trick of making those Oasis songs sound weedy and thin. The truth is that, when it comes to live shows, most instrumentalists and background singers - like Noel - can easily be replaced and for most people it doesn't make much of a difference who's handling which instrument.
And that's why a Liam solo show is much more enjoyable for most Oasis fans than a gig from the former lead guitarist whose voice is clearly unable to cope with most of the output from his former band and whose guitar playing duty can easily be fulfilled by any other guy out there. Noel should realise that he's not the Jimi Hendrix of the 90s and that no one misses the sound of his guitar on an LG gig.
Who cares about quality ! We just want something that vaguely taste like good wine, not good wine. For the price of the good wine, obviously.
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Post by batfink30 on Aug 5, 2019 6:52:10 GMT -5
Poisonous.
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 5, 2019 6:53:31 GMT -5
"He’s pulled off the incredible magic trick of making those Oasis songs sound weedy and thin. The truth is that, when it comes to live shows, most instrumentalists and background singers - like Noel - can easily be replaced and for most people it doesn't make much of a difference who's handling which instrument.
And that's why a Liam solo show is much more enjoyable for most Oasis fans than a gig from the former lead guitarist whose voice is clearly unable to cope with most of the output from his former band and whose guitar playing duty can easily be fulfilled by any other guy out there. Noel should realise that he's not the Jimi Hendrix of the 90s and that no one misses the sound of his guitar on an LG gig.
Who cares about quality ! We just want something that vaguely taste like good wine, not good wine. For the price of the good wine, obviously. Andy was educated the expensive way - he knows his claret from his beaujolais!
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 5, 2019 6:55:00 GMT -5
Typical Noel interview. If the interviewer gives him a chance, he'll go off on a tangent about politics and stuff like he always has done. Nothing new there. And I have to say I agree 100% with him on Brexit and the Remainers opinion now.
With regards Liam, nothing new there either. None of us can really judge, as this is a personal family dispute between two wealthy brothers, but neither of them come out of this smelling of roses. For all those slagging off Noel and putting Liam under some kind of Halo, get real! They are as bad as each other. If Liam has been threatening his daughter or wife, then he deserves to get a slagging off from his brother. I think most people would take offence to that. What makes Liam exempt from such criticism?
By the same token, Noel sounds bitter and pathetic when judging Liam's musical career, but then again, Liam is quick to slag off Noel's new musical direction too, so deserves critical abuse being hurled back at him - but ultimately, who really gives a flying fuck! Two multi-millionaires slagging each other off via the media, while we mere mortals sit in judgement of who is right, and who is wrong.
Anyone who takes personal offence to the abuse hurled from either brother, and feels the need to urgently step in and `defend' (lol) either of them are plain fucking sad.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 5, 2019 6:55:02 GMT -5
Who cares about quality ! We just want something that vaguely taste like good wine, not good wine. For the price of the good wine, obviously. Andy was educated the expensive way - he knows his claret from his beaujolais! Beaujolais - Never againAndy morris, August 5 2019
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Post by MONO on Aug 5, 2019 7:05:58 GMT -5
Who cares about quality ! We just want something that vaguely taste like good wine, not good wine. For the price of the good wine, obviously. What we get is good wine ...at least from Liam
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Post by rollagher on Aug 5, 2019 7:06:48 GMT -5
The only new thing on this interview: Noel got a new song out! I don't know until I (a unsophisticated person) read this sermon of family hatred spread in hope to promote weird-old-man-goes-avantgarde music.
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 5, 2019 7:10:07 GMT -5
Who cares about quality ! We just want something that vaguely taste like good wine, not good wine. For the price of the good wine, obviously. What we get is good wine ...at least from Liam You are not sufficiently SOPHISTICATED to judge my friend!
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Post by andymorris on Aug 5, 2019 7:19:16 GMT -5
Who cares about quality ! We just want something that vaguely taste like good wine, not good wine. For the price of the good wine, obviously. What we get is good wine ...at least from Liam Good Pepsi, very good Pepsi. Hell, we're not even getting good wine from Noel, only good diet Coke
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 5, 2019 7:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by MONO on Aug 5, 2019 7:20:48 GMT -5
Good Pepsi, very good Pepsi. Hell, we're not even getting good wine from Noel, only good diet Coke We just got the best post-Oasis song from Liam....
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Post by andymorris on Aug 5, 2019 7:22:43 GMT -5
I'm not sophisticated enough to have a Times membership. What does it say ? Good Pepsi, very good Pepsi. Hell, we're not even getting good wine from Noel, only good diet Coke We just got the best post-Oasis song from Liam.... where ? I missed it, shit
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 5, 2019 7:24:16 GMT -5
I'm not sophisticated enough to have a Times membership. What does it say ? The key quote fits the analogy rather well: “These are not bottles to decant and intellectualise, they are simply to drink and enjoy.“!
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Post by shinpad on Aug 5, 2019 7:35:35 GMT -5
All of the other stuff aside, I don't understand the way Noel talks as if his music is "sophisticated" now or as if he's doing something new or unique or challenging. If anything, the kind of music he's making right now is more in tune with current trends.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 5, 2019 7:37:06 GMT -5
I'm not sophisticated enough to have a Times membership. What does it say ? The key quite fits the analogy rather well: “These are not bottles to decant and intellectualise, they are simply to drink and enjoy.“! But what if you don't enjoy it ? I drink wine without decanting and intellectualizing, It's possible. It's not one way or another, it's not Beaujolais vs i stare at the "good" wine for hours and dont drink it. I'd rather drink water or even plain grape juice than Beaujolais. In the end, it's all about the taste in your mouth (or ear).
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Post by janedoe on Aug 5, 2019 7:45:29 GMT -5
What we get is good wine ...at least from Liam Good Pepsi, very good Pepsi. Hell, we're not even getting good wine from Noel, only good diet Coke Red Bull is the drink of this forum, surely?
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Post by oasisunited on Aug 5, 2019 7:49:41 GMT -5
The millennial outrage machine is overlooking the two sort of new pieces of information in this interview, which is clearly a venue-shopping PR choice by Noel (he knows what demo reads The Guardian and chose to give this type of interview on purpose):
If true, when do we think this was? My guess is some time around SOTSOG, though could have been much later, as Noel definitely pushed for more non-Oasis sounding stuff on DBTT and DOYS. This quote also goes to the heart of the divide between them musically: Noel wants to do whatever he comes up with and Liam wants to make Be Here Now over and over (nothing wrong with either approach, but once you understand that, the rest makes a lot of sense).
I think Noel is mis-remembering when this was (it was probably 2012 or 2014). However, if true, confirms the rumour/belief that there was a thawing/almost return to their normal state back around 2012/2013. They at least were in the same room.
The rest of the interview is clearly normal Noel being himself and/or using the Guardian as a PR outlet for his side of the Liam debate.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 5, 2019 8:09:14 GMT -5
There is, however, one person Gallagher thinks will always be wrong to appear at Glastonbury: Jeremy Corbyn, who received a rapturous reception when he delivered a speech there in 2017. “I saw him walk onstage to ‘Oooh, Jeremy Corbyn’ and thought: ‘Really? For a start, your name’s Jeremy.’ I don’t trust him. I think that the bare requirement for a politician, particularly a leader, is to be forward-looking. When I watch the news, I just think that, for these people, the big picture is communism, right? And that’s not British.” They are not communists, though. “They fucking are! You’re not telling me the big picture is not to nationalise everything? Anyway, [Glastonbury] is where you go to get away from that shit. It’s not a political rally." Noel Gallagher
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 5, 2019 8:17:00 GMT -5
The millennial outrage machine is overlooking the two sort of new pieces of information in this interview, which is clearly a venue-shopping PR choice by Noel (he knows what demo reads The Guardian and chose to give this type of interview on purpose): If true, when do we think this was? My guess is some time around SOTSOG, though could have been much later, as Noel definitely pushed for more non-Oasis sounding stuff on DBTT and DOYS. This quote also goes to the heart of the divide between them musically: Noel wants to do whatever he comes up with and Liam wants to make Be Here Now over and over (nothing wrong with either approach, but once you understand that, the rest makes a lot of sense). If it was SOTSOG how would you explain HC? Personally I think its nonsense. Noel has broadened his songwriting horizons over the last few years which is great but go back and look back at interviews of him talking about different bands and he was simply conservative himself.
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Post by oasisunited on Aug 5, 2019 8:20:40 GMT -5
The millennial outrage machine is overlooking the two sort of new pieces of information in this interview, which is clearly a venue-shopping PR choice by Noel (he knows what demo reads The Guardian and chose to give this type of interview on purpose): If true, when do we think this was? My guess is some time around SOTSOG, though could have been much later, as Noel definitely pushed for more non-Oasis sounding stuff on DBTT and DOYS. This quote also goes to the heart of the divide between them musically: Noel wants to do whatever he comes up with and Liam wants to make Be Here Now over and over (nothing wrong with either approach, but once you understand that, the rest makes a lot of sense). If it was SOTSOG how would you explain HC? Personally I think its nonsense. Noel has broadened his songwriting horizons over the last few years which is great but go back and look back at interviews of him talking about different bands and he was simply conservative himself. True, though I guess I was thinking back to the increasing number of both Noel sung songs and unreleased stuff from that period. Without knowing what Liam thinks is "quirky" it hard to know if he is generally less musically conservative or more so than Noel. However, based on the lane Liam is currently swimming in, it seems like unless is it in the vein of My Big Mouth or Cast No Shadow, its not for him. I'm specifically thinking of something like Part of the Queue. I could totally see Liam saying "I'm not singing that" and Noel saying (at the time) "This is the greatest song I have ever written" (as he does for each song he writes).
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Post by Regi on Aug 5, 2019 8:23:34 GMT -5
Guitar music is so unsophisticated that he clings onto to one like a security blanket when he's doing his new 'dance' songs live.
Stand on your belief in your 'new' direction and ditch the guitar.
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Post by oasisunited on Aug 5, 2019 8:25:35 GMT -5
We just got the best post-Oasis song from Liam.... and Andrew Wyatt.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 5, 2019 8:36:38 GMT -5
If it was SOTSOG how would you explain HC? Personally I think its nonsense. Noel has broadened his songwriting horizons over the last few years which is great but go back and look back at interviews of him talking about different bands and he was simply conservative himself. True, though I guess I was thinking back to the increasing number of both Noel sung songs and unreleased stuff from that period. Without knowing what Liam thinks is "quirky" it hard to know if he is generally less musically conservative or more so than Noel. However, based on the lane Liam is currently swimming in, it seems like unless is it in the vein of My Big Mouth or Cast No Shadow, its not for him. I'm specifically thinking of something like Part of the Queue. I could totally see Liam saying "I'm not singing that" and Noel saying (at the time) "This is the greatest song I have ever written" (as he does for each song he writes). the robot vocal on the Once interlude is weirder than anything I've heard from Noel tbh. 😂😂. Plus as I've said before Noel is renowned for being a control freak and boasted many times during Oasis that he could manipulate Liam into doing whatever he wanted so this latest shite about Liam holding him back creatively is transparent bollocks to sell himself as edgy and creative. Plus let's not forget that Liam tried to get Oasis to record with DiV in 2003 and it was Noel that blocked it in the end.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 5, 2019 8:38:25 GMT -5
If it was SOTSOG how would you explain HC? Personally I think its nonsense. Noel has broadened his songwriting horizons over the last few years which is great but go back and look back at interviews of him talking about different bands and he was simply conservative himself. True, though I guess I was thinking back to the increasing number of both Noel sung songs and unreleased stuff from that period. Without knowing what Liam thinks is "quirky" it hard to know if he is generally less musically conservative or more so than Noel. However, based on the lane Liam is currently swimming in, it seems like unless is it in the vein of My Big Mouth or Cast No Shadow, its not for him. I'm specifically thinking of something like Part of the Queue. I could totally see Liam saying "I'm not singing that" and Noel saying (at the time) "This is the greatest song I have ever written" (as he does for each song he writes). I have no doubt that in many ways Liam is more musically conservative than Noel however I'm not having it that Noel was trying to push the boundaries in Oasis and being held back by Liam. I don't think there is anything to support that. Noel tried something a little different on SOTSOG, it got panned and he backed away from that for the next two records. This is just another example of of Noel carrying out some revisionism.
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Post by oasisunited on Aug 5, 2019 8:39:58 GMT -5
True, though I guess I was thinking back to the increasing number of both Noel sung songs and unreleased stuff from that period. Without knowing what Liam thinks is "quirky" it hard to know if he is generally less musically conservative or more so than Noel. However, based on the lane Liam is currently swimming in, it seems like unless is it in the vein of My Big Mouth or Cast No Shadow, its not for him. I'm specifically thinking of something like Part of the Queue. I could totally see Liam saying "I'm not singing that" and Noel saying (at the time) "This is the greatest song I have ever written" (as he does for each song he writes). the robot vocal on the Once interlude is weirder than anything I've heard from Noel tbh. 😂😂. Plus as I've said before Noel is renowned for being a control freak and boasted many times during Oasis that he could manipulate Liam into doing whatever he wanted so this latest shite about Liam holding him back creatively is transparent bollocks to sell himself as edgy and creative. Plus let's not forget that Liam tried to get Oasis to record with DiV in 2003 and it was Noel that blocked it in the end. I'm not trying to defend either of them on this. I find it interesting that Noel would bring up that conversation, if true. I'd love to know what song or songs it was about, as I think that would give us a lot of insight into the creative divide. Otherwise, we are just cherry picking examples of songs that fit our arguments. Know what song or songs it was said in reference to would actually help us understand who was being rigid. Also, the "robot voice" in Once is not that original: it sounds like a homage/dead rip-off of the counting on the demo version of A Day In The Life from the Anthology.
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