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Post by ricardogce on Aug 6, 2019 9:47:12 GMT -5
According to Noel himself, his true falling out with Liam began when Liam supposedly questioned Anais's paternity, implying Meg had cheated on Noel. But Oasis were still massive at the time, so his outrage didn't extend to the point of wanting to part ways. There were millions to be made and more life to squeeze out of Liam's voice. He hit his "breaking point" in 2009, conveniently when Liam's voice was all but gone. He spent the Beady Eye era being affably smug about Liam's solo failure. And now he's back to full rage when Liam's outdoing him commercially. There's a pattern there, whether one believes Noel's consciously aware of it or not. here is a quote of Noel in 2015, what do you make of that ? “I’m very fucking sad about Beady Eye, because I know they really wanted to make it work,” Noel Gallagher told Q (via The Hollywood Reporter).
“I’m amazed Liam has chucked it in, but he won’t stay out of the limelight for long,” said Noel, whose post-Oasis band the High Flying Birds will release their second LP Chasing Yesterday on March 2nd. “I think Liam should make a solo record – put his balls on the line, put his name up in lights and go for it.”Since we take all Noel's as 100% true with no hidden meaning, this quote is pretty self explanatory that Noel was supportive, then probably wasn't because of something that happened, which we dont know fuck all. I dont believe the jealousy, but i believe Noel is really really sad Oasis fell out the way they did, and deep down is sad about the whole thing with his brother. I also believe Noel was supportive about Liam's songwriting for years, letting him develop in Oasis, and doesn't like the easy path he's taken, that's it. the conspiracy theory is kinda weird, they just broke up, Noel did not plan this even before Thomas Gallagher implanted his sperm to create Liam. FFS. Let me all remind you that 2 out of 4 Beady Eye's are also in Noel's band nowadays, so he's not ALL THAT BAD. He also sarcastically offered to write them a chorus, and called them "Stratford's finest Oasis tribute band". Which is admittedly a great line, and a clear example of the humor missing from his current rants. That is what I meant by "affably smug". He was content in the knowledge that Beady Eye would be nothing more than a cult band, so he could afford to be playful about the whole affair. And then Liam did indeed put his balls on the line, put his name in lights, and went for it. Now there are stakes. I don't think he's jealous per se. He has more than enough of his own success not to need to be jealous. But I most definitely believe he doesn't like that the notion of Liam being a more successful solo artist can be a serious part of the conversation.
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Post by sjc8 on Aug 6, 2019 10:10:34 GMT -5
there was 11 pages in response to this guardian article. his tour with the pumpkins kicks off this thurs. night is there even a hype post or even an up to date post about this new tour?i'm actually more excited to see the pumpkins. if you asked me even back in 2011 if that was possible i would have said no. this is where we are now. his comments about oasis, oasis fans, and general overall bitterness have really soured things. i havent even streamed the new single on youtube yet. unthinkable even a few years ago. **pause** just listened to it. sounds like cosmic slop. who the fuck is managing him? i saw that new david crosby doc the other day- remember my name (great by the way). if noel's not careful that'll be him in time just without 3 solid bands and the tunes. it was sad to see david crosby like that but you cant help think he brought a lot of it on himself. literally none of his former bandmates talk to him. Here you go: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/90515/noel-tour-smashing-pumpkinsX thanks. I managed to find it eventually. the level of excitement is astonishing. the amphitheaters will be wedged these next few weeks. **sings** cause we neeeeeeeeed each other We belieeeeeeeeve in one another
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Post by sjc8 on Aug 6, 2019 10:15:11 GMT -5
haha! bonehead. always liked and respected him. even when noel bullied him out of Oasis he took the high road. a true genuine dude.
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Post by sjc8 on Aug 6, 2019 11:08:24 GMT -5
Noel: “Nobody wants to be in a band with him apart from a load of indie Championship players – journeymen, who are in it for all the crisps they can eat.”
sounds like more lies.
if this is true then why did noel do all he could to block the original oasis members from getting back together without him? Seems like a lot of people want to be in a band with liam. Lots of people seem to genuinely like liam. Coldplay collaborated with him. Even the foo fighters wanted to collab with him. Not a foo fan but the Foo fighters sell out amphitheaters. These are not quite journeymen.
Liam should make an “out there” album just to take the piss. I would bet the house it would do better than who built the moon or these ep’s.
In fact, he should call up the death in vegas guys and John Dwyer from the Oh Sees. Liam on an Oh Sees track would fuckin blow shit out of the water. It would probably be angry too. Don’t want any angry music as it might offend noels sensibilities.
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Post by davitpr on Aug 6, 2019 11:11:03 GMT -5
Once is a wistful, mature look at his past. Tell me more about Andrew Wyatt's past ? I'd like to know. Just like For What's it's Worth was an "honest" apology written by some random guy His ex-wife (sorry, wives) and abandonned children must be so happy with that song that comes from the heart of a complete stranger. Once was written by Liam. Wyatt only helped with arrangements and production.
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Post by martinpaul on Aug 6, 2019 11:13:55 GMT -5
andymorris claiming Noel being sad Oasis broke up and he didn't plan to break up Oasis is the funniest thing written in this thread - and it has a lot of competition He has openly admitted he was keeping songs back for his solo career
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Post by neila83 on Aug 6, 2019 11:51:10 GMT -5
I haven't read the whole thread yet but my two cents are as follows: - He's spot on about Brexit - He's completely wrong about Jeremy Corbyn - I don't think he needs to be "funny" when discussing the harassment of his wife and daughter. I would be "grumpy" and "bitter" too if I thought that was happening to my family. His wife was harassing liam, you got it wrong like noel always does The claims of Liam harassing Noel's wife go way back beyond when she started saying anything on instagram. Noel said years ago Liam kept calling her, left aggressive voice mails etc. I believe it was even mentioned in court documents so I tend to believe it,and I, don't think Liam has denied it. Strangely the same people who say all sorts of nasty things about Sara, call her a witch etc have absolutely no problem with Liams behaviour. Which I just find bizarre. The fact that they copy Liams insults word for word makes me question their ability to think for themselves. Fair enough if you think Sara's out of order, but how can you then give Liam a pass? It seems. It's still always the woman's fault, throughout Liams recent past she's not the first woman to be blamed for his behaviour. If he did behave like that, maybe she hasn't responded in the best way, but do you blame Sara for not having a high opinion of him? And Noel is right about Liams claims about being ready for a reunion. It's all part of his PR campaign, nothing more. He's known for years it won't happen, and has made sure it won't, but it serves him well to convince gullible fans it's mean old Noel stopping it happening. I think Noel is a dick a lot of the time, I just do not understand the free pass Liam gets from people who see Noel and Sara's behaviour as somehow unacceptable.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 6, 2019 12:02:37 GMT -5
Regardless if it annoys people on here, my point is it's not that annoys Noel as much as you and others like to think it is. Noel doesn't like Liam. He really doesn't like him. He has his reasons. Maybe Liam's success plays a part, sure. But it's not the main reason. Noel has said the main reasons - yet he just gets criticised for it. So that's my point. I don't agree with everything he says. I just can't be arsed with the same old 'he's just saying it cause Liam's doing well' line. I didnt say its the main reason. But its a fucking huge reason. I get you in relation to the Anais text, but i even feel like then that would have been dealt with in house. But the main shit im on about is using the sun shit on Liam to call him out as intimidating to women. Thats outright trying to ruin him. He wouldn't be doing that if Liam wasnt successful. For all we know, as he hints in this interview, Noel has done Liam a huge favour by not going to the police,only because it would tear his family apart. That's the thing, you don't know that's not true do you?
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Post by neila83 on Aug 6, 2019 12:13:11 GMT -5
According to Noel himself, his true falling out with Liam began when Liam supposedly questioned Anais's paternity, implying Meg had cheated on Noel. But Oasis were still massive at the time, so his outrage didn't extend to the point of wanting to part ways. There were millions to be made and more life to squeeze out of Liam's voice. He hit his "breaking point" in 2009, conveniently when Liam's voice was all but gone. He spent the Beady Eye era being affably smug about Liam's solo failure. And now he's back to full rage when Liam's outdoing him commercially. There's a pattern there, whether one believes Noel's consciously aware of it or not. here is a quote of Noel in 2015, what do you make of that ? “I’m very fucking sad about Beady Eye, because I know they really wanted to make it work,” Noel Gallagher told Q (via The Hollywood Reporter).
“I’m amazed Liam has chucked it in, but he won’t stay out of the limelight for long,” said Noel, whose post-Oasis band the High Flying Birds will release their second LP Chasing Yesterday on March 2nd. “I think Liam should make a solo record – put his balls on the line, put his name up in lights and go for it.”Since we take all Noel's as 100% true with no hidden meaning, this quote is pretty self explanatory that Noel was supportive, then probably wasn't because of something that happened, which we dont know fuck all. I dont believe the jealousy, but i believe Noel is really really sad Oasis fell out the way they did, and deep down is sad about the whole thing with his brother. I also believe Noel was supportive about Liam's songwriting for years, letting him develop in Oasis, and doesn't like the easy path he's taken, that's it. the conspiracy theory is kinda weird, they just broke up, Noel did not plan this even before Thomas Gallagher implanted his sperm to create Liam. FFS. Let me all remind you that 2 out of 4 Beady Eye's are also in Noel's band nowadays, so he's not ALL THAT BAD. Don't confuse them with facts. It is necessary for them to believe for some reason that Noel is desperately bitter about Liams success, and trying to stop it at all costs. Which begs the question, why does Noel keep making this kind of music? They all predicted he would switch back because it wasn't as successful as Liam but he keeps going. So their theories are already blown out of the water. And yet they persist. The jealousy thing is weird. Despite all his fans and the public hating him according to some here, Noel is still selling perfectly well. Lets see how Liams 2nd album does? It must be easier for Noel not needing to be successful to pay divorce settlements and child support, which is why Liam had no choice but to go the route he did, as opposed to collaborations with more appropriate artists. It is amusing though that people need to convince themselves Noel feels a certain way, so they can have an artificial victory in their head. I stopped creating fights in my head so I could win them probably in my early 20s, but if it makes them feel better...
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 6, 2019 12:22:51 GMT -5
here is a quote of Noel in 2015, what do you make of that ? “I’m very fucking sad about Beady Eye, because I know they really wanted to make it work,” Noel Gallagher told Q (via The Hollywood Reporter).
“I’m amazed Liam has chucked it in, but he won’t stay out of the limelight for long,” said Noel, whose post-Oasis band the High Flying Birds will release their second LP Chasing Yesterday on March 2nd. “I think Liam should make a solo record – put his balls on the line, put his name up in lights and go for it.”Since we take all Noel's as 100% true with no hidden meaning, this quote is pretty self explanatory that Noel was supportive, then probably wasn't because of something that happened, which we dont know fuck all. I dont believe the jealousy, but i believe Noel is really really sad Oasis fell out the way they did, and deep down is sad about the whole thing with his brother. I also believe Noel was supportive about Liam's songwriting for years, letting him develop in Oasis, and doesn't like the easy path he's taken, that's it. the conspiracy theory is kinda weird, they just broke up, Noel did not plan this even before Thomas Gallagher implanted his sperm to create Liam. FFS. Let me all remind you that 2 out of 4 Beady Eye's are also in Noel's band nowadays, so he's not ALL THAT BAD. Don't confuse them with facts. It is necessary for them to believe for some reason that Noel is desperately bitter about Liams success, and trying to stop it at all costs. Which begs the question, why does Noel keep making this kind of music? They all predicted he would switch back because it wasn't as successful as Liam but he keeps going. So their theories are already blown out of the water. And yet they persist. The jealousy thing is weird. Despite all his fans and the public hating him according to some here, Noel is still selling perfectly well. Lets see how Liams 2nd album does? It must be easier for Noel not needing to be successful to pay divorce settlements and child support, which is why Liam had no choice but to go the route he did, as opposed to collaborations with more appropriate artists. It is amusing though that people need to convince themselves Noel feels a certain way, so they can have an artificial victory in their head. I stopped creating fights in my head so I could win them probably in my early 20s, but if it makes them feel better... Are you really ignoring the reaction to Noel now compared to 10 years ago? You really must live under a shell. He probably gets Bono and his other illuminati mates to buy all his records now.
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Post by downer on Aug 6, 2019 12:39:29 GMT -5
His wife was harassing liam, you got it wrong like noel always does Just to be clear, how was she harassing him? looks like you dont pay attention, so please do not discuss topics you dont know anything about, thanks.
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Post by downer on Aug 6, 2019 12:55:17 GMT -5
the conspiracy theory is kinda weird, they just broke up, Noel did not plan this ... lol, conspiracy theory my ass... he didnt let Liam sing Record machine and Everybodys on the run, which both would have been mega, and he rather let the last oasis album be worthless shit with rubbish like Highhorse lady, falling down and other nonsense... just to keep the best tracks for his own record. I hope Liam will cover them someday :-)
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Post by bt95 on Aug 6, 2019 13:17:20 GMT -5
Regardless if it annoys people on here, my point is it's not that annoys Noel as much as you and others like to think it is. Noel doesn't like Liam. He really doesn't like him. He has his reasons. Maybe Liam's success plays a part, sure. But it's not the main reason. Noel has said the main reasons - yet he just gets criticised for it. So that's my point. I don't agree with everything he says. I just can't be arsed with the same old 'he's just saying it cause Liam's doing well' line. I didnt say its the main reason. But its a fucking huge reason. I get you in relation to the Anais text, but i even feel like then that would have been dealt with in house. But the main shit im on about is using the sun shit on Liam to call him out as intimidating to women. Thats outright trying to ruin him. He wouldn't be doing that if Liam wasnt successful. OK, but Noel has suggested it was as much to do with previous texts to Anais and Sara, too. I'm sure the Sun thing was involved as well, which yes isn't great.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 6, 2019 13:19:31 GMT -5
haha! bonehead. always liked and respected him. even when noel bullied him out of Oasis he took the high road. a true genuine dude. He was a pisshead at a time that Liam (especially Liam) was trying extremely hard to be sober. He walked out of those sessions because he wasn't having it. Noel might be a dick. He might have wanted him out. But Bonehead was in the wrong too. Don't get me wrong: I love Bonehead. He's the spirit of Oasis and I'm really glad he's with Liam every so often and seems like the most genuine bloke. But nobody is perfect.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 6, 2019 13:21:55 GMT -5
the conspiracy theory is kinda weird, they just broke up, Noel did not plan this ... lol, conspiracy theory my ass... he didnt let Liam sing Record machine and Everybodys on the run, which both would have been mega, and he rather let the last oasis album be worthless shit with rubbish like Highhorse lady, falling down and other nonsense... just to keep the best tracks for his own record. I hope Liam will cover them someday :-) Liam sang record machine, there's a version somewhere with his attempted vocals (from the DOYS sessions I believe). Noel was still soundchecking it EOTR when Oasis broke up.
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Post by sjc8 on Aug 6, 2019 13:31:08 GMT -5
haha! bonehead. always liked and respected him. even when noel bullied him out of Oasis he took the high road. a true genuine dude. He was a pisshead at a time that Liam (especially Liam) was trying extremely hard to be sober. He walked out of those sessions because he wasn't having it. Noel might be a dick. He might have wanted him out. But Bonehead was in the wrong too. Don't get me wrong: I love Bonehead. He's the spirit of Oasis and I'm really glad he's with Liam every so often and seems like the most genuine bloke. But nobody is perfect. bomehead threw some beer on an engineer and noel had a shit fit. total overreaction by control freak noel. tell me this- the people who were in the band Oasis. who do you honestly think they like more, Liam or Noel?
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Post by andymorris on Aug 6, 2019 13:36:53 GMT -5
the conspiracy theory is kinda weird, they just broke up, Noel did not plan this ... lol, conspiracy theory my ass... he didnt let Liam sing Record machine and Everybodys on the run, which both would have been mega, and he rather let the last oasis album be worthless shit with rubbish like Highhorse lady, falling down and other nonsense... just to keep the best tracks for his own record. I hope Liam will cover them someday :-) Again we dont know that. This is speculations at best. Maybe record machine wasnt released because they were simply not happy with it. Maybe liam’s takes were just shit. It was floating around since dbtt so there must be a reason rather than « mean manipulative noel wanted it for his solo carreer ». Same goes for EOTR. Its just plain weird to say otherwise. None of us were in the studio. And falling down is shit? Wow....
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Post by ricardogce on Aug 6, 2019 13:53:58 GMT -5
And falling down is shit? Wow.... It's relative. Compared to to the rest of most of DOYS, it's a standaout, second to I'm Outta Time. Compared to 99% of Noel's other songs (and more than a few of Liam's), it's not that great. Lovely arrangement, lovely vocal, goes nowhere. It feels like it's building up to a resolution that never comes.
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Post by sfsorrow on Aug 6, 2019 13:54:42 GMT -5
Just to be clear, how was she harassing him? looks like you dont pay attention, so please do not discuss topics you dont know anything about, thanks. I wasn't talking about Noel's wife's actions at all. You brought them up. Second, I did know what I was talking about. You are the only who either does not know what harassment is or you were just lying. This is why you are throwing a childish tantrum when I asked for evidence. Third, asking for examples is how we learn things. People go on message boards to learn things. So not you only do you apparently not know what harassment is, you apparently don't know what one of the functions of the message board is.
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Post by mape on Aug 6, 2019 13:58:38 GMT -5
He keeps going on about songwriters yet he's got Holmes giving him samples and telling him how his songs should sound like. His creativity isn't as self induced as he would like everyone to believe.
And why does he keep name dropping Stormzy in interviews? Is it some weird way of trying to stay in with the younger crowd?
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Post by bt95 on Aug 6, 2019 13:58:45 GMT -5
He was a pisshead at a time that Liam (especially Liam) was trying extremely hard to be sober. He walked out of those sessions because he wasn't having it. Noel might be a dick. He might have wanted him out. But Bonehead was in the wrong too. Don't get me wrong: I love Bonehead. He's the spirit of Oasis and I'm really glad he's with Liam every so often and seems like the most genuine bloke. But nobody is perfect. bomehead threw some beer on an engineer and noel had a shit fit. total overreaction by control freak noel. tell me this- the people who were in the band Oasis. who do you honestly think they like more, Liam or Noel? Nope, Liam said it too. Unless you think Noel had so much power that he had Liam do everything he wanted? Probably Liam. But without Noel none of them would have ever made it out of the boardwalk. Noel can be a vagina. Probably a vagina of the highest order when he wants to be. But he knew what he wanted and how to get there. One of the reasons we'll not see a new band come through and actually grab the world and give it a good shake up anytime soon is because everybody is too fucking nice, or too concerned with their fans and the issues in the world, or too 'grateful' to even be given the chance to show something they've put the time, effort and talent into creating.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 6, 2019 14:00:47 GMT -5
And falling down is shit? Wow.... It's relative. Compared to to the rest of most of DOYS, it's a standaout, second to I'm Outta Time. Compared to 99% of Noel's other songs (and more than a few of Liam's), it's not that great. Lovely arrangement, lovely vocal, goes nowhere. It feels like it's building up to a resolution that never comes. I really love that tune. Agreed the Melody is not the best but the sound is pretty magical. The second half of DOYS has lower quality songs but some very interesting ideas. Aint got nothing excluded obviously.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 6, 2019 14:02:19 GMT -5
He keeps going on about songwriters yet he's got Holmes giving him samples and telling him how his songs should sound like. His creativity isn't as self induced as he would like everyone to believe. And why does he keep name dropping Stormzy in interviews? Is it some weird way of trying to stay in with the younger crowd? Liam namedrops Stormzy all the time? Noel was asked a question about Glasto. The biggest news from Glasto this year was Stormzy headlining. He gave an answer. Also, Holmes is a producer. Worked on one album. He didn't write the songs, he helped produce them and nudge Noel in a certain way. He's also not doing it anymore - though I hope he does again soon. I couldn't give a fuck if Liam has songwriters. They're good at what they do and he's good at what he does, FWIW.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 6, 2019 14:09:19 GMT -5
bomehead threw some beer on an engineer and noel had a shit fit. total overreaction by control freak noel. tell me this- the people who were in the band Oasis. who do you honestly think they like more, Liam or Noel? Nope, Liam said it too. Unless you think Noel had so much power that he had Liam do everything he wanted? Probably Liam. But without Noel none of them would have ever made it out of the boardwalk. Noel can be a vagina. Probably a vagina of the highest order when he wants to be. But he knew what he wanted and how to get there. One of the reasons we'll not see a new band come through and actually grab the world and give it a good shake up anytime soon is because everybody is too fucking nice, or too concerned with their fans and the issues in the world, or too 'grateful' to even be given the chance to show something they've put the time, effort and talent into creating. Mate, Bonehead and Liam are perfect. Noel is evil. Don’t disagree. Bonehead is the guy that was too pissed to sing on a tune Noel had written only for him to have his ringo moment. He was the real brain in Oasis, godammit. His career after oasis speaks for itself
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Post by philko87 on Aug 6, 2019 14:11:19 GMT -5
I gotta say, I did a lol at “a pair of my son’s pyjamas”.
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