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Post by walterglass on Dec 10, 2020 16:54:38 GMT -5
Today is just not my day. You guys are really having a go on me. Merry Christmas! Stop whining, you tart. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 18:50:01 GMT -5
Today is just not my day. You guys are really having a go on me. Merry Christmas! Stop whining, you tart. Haha. Only a year in the making. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 11, 2020 4:38:58 GMT -5
Technically yes. I met both of them. I felt distance when I met Gem, but with Bonehead, it was like meeting your old friend. He came as what we would expect what he is like. Really down to earth guy. Great to have him next to Liam now. Supersonic live wouldn't be same withuot Bonehead. That personality and character comes through his playing. It's bog standard easy stuff but the passion is there and that reckless wall of sound is partly to do with Bonehead. Bringing Gem in sanitized everything. His style is just extremely dull and epitomises Oasis in the 2000s. He's technically skilled but no personality to the playing style. One of the reasons why Oasis in the 2000s is so middling and boring is because there was no personality to the music or songwriting. Like punk, it's not to do with the technique. It's all to do with the attitude that shines through the music. You could find millions and millions of other Gems but you can't replace Bonehead. I very much disagree, although i gotta mention i'm not into technique at all. If it's beautiful and simple, i'm all for it. Gem solo playing style is instantly recognisable. Bonehead never played a solo or lead parts, so how do we know ? Yes barred chords added something, but we know a lot more about Gem's style than Bonehead's. A barred chords is a barred chords, most of the time, it sounds fat, whoever plays it. I'd say the Oasis "punk" sound was due to all of them not being very good musicians at the beginning, and their sound engineer being a bit deaf. Even Noel wasn't good. So they made up for that by playing loud and very distorded with epiphones that had that bluesy muddy sound. And of course there was young Liam, which was all punk. Then came Gem and Andy. The first tour was far from dull. The SOTSOG songs were very interesting sonically. Gas Panic, Who Feels Love, and stuff like that was them trying things and playing a lot more lead parts. Where Did it All Go Wrong solo ? Only Gem could play that in Oasis, i doubt Noel can pull it off even now. And it's a bit punk-ish, especially the end of the solo. But the people weren't having it. After that, they went through the motion, but that's because SOTSOG "failed", because the fans wanted the hits and rejected Oasis trying to evolve. The DBTT and DOYS tours were kinda dull, yeah. I dont think it's due to Gem or Andy. Just that Oasis machine had to make cash. Bonehead or no Bonehead, Oasis would have followed the same dull path in the 00s (live, that is, the records are still ok) |
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Post by oasisgoletitout on Dec 11, 2020 4:42:31 GMT -5
I still think he's better than Bonehead. Technically yes. I met both of them. I felt distance when I met Gem, but with Bonehead, it was like meeting your old friend. He came as what we would expect what he is like. Really down to earth guy. Great to have him next to Liam now. Supersonic live wouldn't be same withuot Bonehead. Thank you for sharing when you met both honestly that is very interesting. I could totally see your encounters with both being exactly how you described each encounter. It's always cool when someone has met somebody and their reaction of the person does meet most people's expectations. And I do agree that it's great to see him up there with Liam. In fact I think Liam grabbing Bonehead and Noel bringing Gem to his solo band make it so much more likely that in the almost impossible to think reality where there is a reunion, both will be on stage. I wonder if Bonehead would have to slide over to bass like when Guigsy left for a bit. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 11, 2020 4:51:46 GMT -5
I met Noel and Liam in 2002. Noel stopped for autographs (signed for all people), Liam rushed into the car.
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Post by underneaththesky on Dec 11, 2020 9:08:58 GMT -5
That personality and character comes through his playing. It's bog standard easy stuff but the passion is there and that reckless wall of sound is partly to do with Bonehead. Bringing Gem in sanitized everything. His style is just extremely dull and epitomises Oasis in the 2000s. He's technically skilled but no personality to the playing style. One of the reasons why Oasis in the 2000s is so middling and boring is because there was no personality to the music or songwriting. Like punk, it's not to do with the technique. It's all to do with the attitude that shines through the music. You could find millions and millions of other Gems but you can't replace Bonehead. I very much disagree, although i gotta mention i'm not into technique at all. If it's beautiful and simple, i'm all for it. Gem solo playing style is instantly recognisable. Bonehead never played a solo or lead parts, so how do we know ? Yes barred chords added something, but we know a lot more about Gem's style than Bonehead's. A barred chords is a barred chords, most of the time, it sounds fat, whoever plays it. I'd say the Oasis "punk" sound was due to all of them not being very good musicians at the beginning, and their sound engineer being a bit deaf. Even Noel wasn't good. So they made up for that by playing loud and very distorded with epiphones that had that bluesy muddy sound. And of course there was young Liam, which was all punk. Then came Gem and Andy. The first tour was far from dull. The SOTSOG songs were very interesting sonically. Gas Panic, Who Feels Love, and stuff like that was them trying things and playing a lot more lead parts. Where Did it All Go Wrong solo ? Only Gem could play that in Oasis, i doubt Noel can pull it off even now. And it's a bit punk-ish, especially the end of the solo. But the people weren't having it. After that, they went through the motion, but that's because SOTSOG "failed", because the fans wanted the hits and rejected Oasis trying to evolve. The DBTT and DOYS tours were kinda dull, yeah. I dont think it's due to Gem or Andy. Just that Oasis machine had to make cash. Bonehead or no Bonehead, Oasis would have followed the same dull path in the 00s (live, that is, the records are still ok) it's all about the STRUMMING, you tit |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 11, 2020 9:35:54 GMT -5
Right, i'm the tit obviously  |
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Post by walterglass on Dec 11, 2020 17:36:22 GMT -5
I met Gem at T in the park. I think it was 2002. I was behind the main stage and shouldn’t have been there. And he didn’t grass me up, so he’s alright by me.
Liam had a camo jacket on and was with Appleton. Bobby Gillespie was about as well, right miserable soul.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 12, 2020 3:04:29 GMT -5
I'd say the Oasis "punk" sound was due to all of them not being very good musicians at the beginning, and their sound engineer being a bit deaf. Even Noel wasn't good. So they made up for that by playing loud and very distorded with epiphones that had that bluesy muddy sound. And of course there was young Liam, which was all punk. Here’s a gem from Gem. In Alex Niven’s book there's a quote where he says that DM is so dense and immersive it sounds “like walking through a swimming pool.” C'mon, there’s something a bit more than just loud-and-distorted-and-not-virtuoso going on. Of course, punk is a feel as much as a sound. As Henry Rollins said, “punk is a desire to confront that is indistinguishable from lust.” But I find the lustiness is not just in the attitude with early Oasis. It's also in the music, the way it feels so compact that it's going to explode. The Sex Beatles, as was said back then so perfectly. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 12, 2020 7:04:13 GMT -5
I'd say the Oasis "punk" sound was due to all of them not being very good musicians at the beginning, and their sound engineer being a bit deaf. Even Noel wasn't good. So they made up for that by playing loud and very distorded with epiphones that had that bluesy muddy sound. And of course there was young Liam, which was all punk. Here’s a gem from Gem. In Alex Niven’s book there's a quote where he says that DM is so dense and immersive it sounds “like walking through a swimming pool.” C'mon, there’s something a bit more than just loud-and-distorted-and-not-virtuoso going on. Of course, punk is a feel as much as a sound. As Henry Rollins said, “punk is a desire to confront that is indistinguishable from lust.” But I find the lustiness is not just in the attitude with early Oasis. It's also in the music, the way it feels so compact that it's going to explode. The Sex Beatles, as was said back then so perfectly. Well of course, but you could argue it’s the producer who made that sound since the first recording was scrapped. Coley’s sound is noticeable on his solo record a few years later, tailgunner is the long lost cousin of DM, without the good songs. They indeed had something else, live, but Bonehead’s influence to me is greatly exaggerated by Oasis fans. It could have been anyone. Same for Guigsy. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 12, 2020 19:10:20 GMT -5
Well of course, but y ou could argue it’s the producer who made that sound since the first recording was scrapped. Coley’s sound is noticeable on his solo record a few years later, tailgunner is the long lost cousin of DM, without the good songs. They indeed had something else, live, but Bonehead’s influence to me is greatly exaggerated by Oasis fans. It could have been anyone. Same for Guigsy. Oh, I would argue that for sure. I don't really want to debate Bonehead vs. Gem (apples/oranges), just that the punk sound was something a bit more special (and DM is truly one of the last great punk albums, though not least of all because of the very good songs, some of which remain some of Noel's best ... imho, of course.) The authentic Manchester thing and all the mythology all aside, I will say since I follow him on twitter that Bonehead seems like a remarkably decent human being, which is what I like most about him. I suppose it could have been someone else with a similar outcome, but I'm glad it was Paul Arthurs. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 13, 2020 0:44:23 GMT -5
Yes he’s probably nice I don’t follow Twitter and all those things. He kept Liam and Noel together during the madness so he was in a way useful.
Gem probably nice too. Andy too, Liam too, Noel too. Everyone’s nice in Oasis. Except when it’s your brother 🤓
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Post by walterglass on Dec 16, 2020 16:36:18 GMT -5
The vaguely acoustic trio shows Noel did in Paris and whatnot - I think Gem was wonderful on those.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 16, 2020 16:54:32 GMT -5
I fucking love Gemmy Bear.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 17, 2020 1:06:29 GMT -5
The vaguely acoustic trio shows Noel did in Paris and whatnot - I think Gem was wonderful on those. I was there and confirm : gem has his own guitar playing style. |
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