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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 4, 2019 8:31:09 GMT -5
Please no full quotes for thank-you-postings daviesh and captaincrankshaft, just edited your posts to remove the full quotes to avoid to take ages to load the pages. Cheers.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 4, 2019 9:21:03 GMT -5
Thanx for the scan. No Liam's song, just "co-writing", well well...
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 4, 2019 9:35:41 GMT -5
Glad I didn't go and buy it now. Slag off Noel, slag off Weller, random oasis story, not curing cancer or reinventing the wheel kind of quote. Could this have not been an interview from 2 years ago?
I got alot of stick for worrying that his album was rushed and nothing was written by him. He basically recorded it in a couple of weeks with songs just ready for him to sing. That's soul destroying to me even if the songs are good.
It's basically just a money making opportunity with no soul in it.
They'll keep milking thats for all its worth until we get a massive crash bigger than Beady Eye.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Jun 4, 2019 9:38:17 GMT -5
So he was pissed/hungover during the shooting of the new video???
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Post by standbymoi on Jun 4, 2019 9:49:02 GMT -5
So he was pissed/hungover during the shooting of the new video??? Sounds like it. Which is strange really when you think how into his looks he is, you think he'd be getting to bed early sorting his hair out. But I suppose there must be another side of him that probably thinks screw it, everyone knows what I look like at this stage.
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Post by leron on Jun 4, 2019 9:49:56 GMT -5
Glad I didn't go and buy it now. Slag off Noel, slag off Weller, random oasis story, not curing cancer or reinventing the wheel kind of quote. Could this have not been an interview from 2 years ago? I got alot of stick for worrying that his album was rushed and nothing was written by him. He basically recorded it in a couple of weeks with songs just ready for him to sing. That's soul destroying to me even if the songs are good. It's basically just a money making opportunity with no soul in it. They'll keep milking thats for all its worth until we get a massive crash bigger than Beady Eye. since when the people who wrote a song are more important than the quality of the song? no soul? so there was no soul in oasis just because he was singing noel's song i guess and however there are a lot of information on new album,single and documentary
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 10:07:35 GMT -5
gotta love people screaming down the album for being a soul less hunk of shit before weve even heard one single song. if you wanna criticise the album construction AFTER the album releases then fine but come on, lets not be rediculous. Seems like some people on here wanna create worry and criticism out of assumption rather than just waiting until you have some evidence to even ponder it.
cheer up already.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 4, 2019 10:15:47 GMT -5
Glad I didn't go and buy it now. Slag off Noel, slag off Weller, random oasis story, not curing cancer or reinventing the wheel kind of quote. Could this have not been an interview from 2 years ago? I got alot of stick for worrying that his album was rushed and nothing was written by him. He basically recorded it in a couple of weeks with songs just ready for him to sing. That's soul destroying to me even if the songs are good. It's basically just a money making opportunity with no soul in it. They'll keep milking thats for all its worth until we get a massive crash bigger than Beady Eye. How do you know how much input he had in the songs? He already said in the article he wrote the song ‘Why Me? Why Not’ and took it to them. One of the songs is about Molly lyrically at least are you really saying it has no soul without hearing a note or word? You’ve already made up your mind about this record and I’d suggest you don’t waste your money or the time moaning about it.
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Post by Rolo on Jun 4, 2019 10:27:01 GMT -5
Glad I didn't go and buy it now. Slag off Noel, slag off Weller, random oasis story, not curing cancer or reinventing the wheel kind of quote. Could this have not been an interview from 2 years ago? I got alot of stick for worrying that his album was rushed and nothing was written by him. He basically recorded it in a couple of weeks with songs just ready for him to sing. That's soul destroying to me even if the songs are good. It's basically just a money making opportunity with no soul in it. They'll keep milking thats for all its worth until we get a massive crash bigger than Beady Eye. You're being so incredibly negative about this. It's like you've made your mind up already that you're gonna dislike the album, it's crazy. I'm sure there are songs on there that he has nearly completely written himself but they have been helped along which is what Liam needs. It adds to the album rather than impacting it negatively. Just enjoy Liam having new songs out man, a few years a go we thought he might have completely knocked singing on the head, he has sung other people's songs most of his career, this ain't anything new. We became fans of Liam for his voice and attitude and that's what we are going to get with his new album. 11-15 new Liam sung songs, all is good.
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Jun 4, 2019 10:54:26 GMT -5
I enjoyed the interview. I really don’t care if someone else wrote the songs - as long as they’re good, what does it matter?
I remember Liam said when they showed him some of the songs on AYW, he said he couldn’t sing some of the lyrics the way they were written so they changed some of them to suit him. I’ve written songs in a band and sometimes the singer wouldn’t quite sing it how I thought it should be and would also suggest changes and I would assume when they were in the studio making this album, they’d have the basic tune there but as they were recording it, things would evolve and change. It’s not ‘these are the songs - you just sing them’. He would’ve had an input on them. It’s his name on the cover after all. I couldn’t imagine him singing songs that don’t sit right with him at this stage.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 4, 2019 11:04:32 GMT -5
Glad I didn't go and buy it now. Slag off Noel, slag off Weller, random oasis story, not curing cancer or reinventing the wheel kind of quote. Could this have not been an interview from 2 years ago? I got alot of stick for worrying that his album was rushed and nothing was written by him. He basically recorded it in a couple of weeks with songs just ready for him to sing. That's soul destroying to me even if the songs are good. It's basically just a money making opportunity with no soul in it. They'll keep milking thats for all its worth until we get a massive crash bigger than Beady Eye. You're being so incredibly negative about this. It's like you've made your mind up already that you're gonna dislike the album, it's crazy. I'm sure there are songs on there that he has nearly completely written himself but they have been helped along which is what Liam needs. It adds to the album rather than impacting it negatively. Just enjoy Liam having new songs out man, a few years a go we thought he might have completely knocked singing on the head, he has sung other people's songs most of his career, this ain't anything new. We became fans of Liam for his voice and attitude and that's what we are going to get with his new album. 11-15 new Liam sung songs, all is good. I'm being negative about the way the record label and indeed Liam to a degree are cashing in on us all. You won't find a bigger fan of Liam and any of my posts before this album cycle will show you that. I just find it hard to believe all these "parka monkeys" (who were also strangely revelling in his misfortune with beady eye) are now bashing Noel for being the one who is a fake and isnt bothered about the fans. Yet here we have Liam basically just cashing in on the success of AYW by giving us a film and album made up of songs completely by other people. I've in no way made up my opinion on the album already. Unlike what everyone did with Beady Eye and now do with Noels stuff. And singing your bandmates songs in a band is a far cry from walking into a room the other side of the world and singing over fully finished tracks and banging it all out in couple of weeks.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 4, 2019 11:09:08 GMT -5
Glad I didn't go and buy it now. Slag off Noel, slag off Weller, random oasis story, not curing cancer or reinventing the wheel kind of quote. Could this have not been an interview from 2 years ago? I got alot of stick for worrying that his album was rushed and nothing was written by him. He basically recorded it in a couple of weeks with songs just ready for him to sing. That's soul destroying to me even if the songs are good. It's basically just a money making opportunity with no soul in it. They'll keep milking thats for all its worth until we get a massive crash bigger than Beady Eye. How do you know how much input he had in the songs? He already said in the article he wrote the song ‘Why Me? Why Not’ and took it to them. One of the songs is about Molly lyrically at least are you really saying it has no soul without hearing a note or word? You’ve already made up your mind about this record and I’d suggest you don’t waste your money or the time moaning about it. This is all a bit OTT. Ive always been on here defending Liam. Now I know how TEAM NOEL feel. He also said FWIW was about his exs and he had naf all to do with that. It's the biggest compliment I can pay Liam to say i prefer his songwriting and ideas to anything hes paying money for. In an ideal world for me, Beady Eye wouod still be going and we'd have the 3 lads sitting down making music they love all for the right reasons. I loved that they were doing that. The manufactured way hes doing all this now only further makes me realise how bad the industry now is. I'm in no means just bashing him for the sake of it believe me.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jun 4, 2019 11:10:00 GMT -5
I don't care about all that negativity. If people want it to be bad they will find sth. to complain about. Paper crown for example is really an amazing song to me, not because of thevwriting credits, bt because Liam let it shine with great vocals. I am looking forward and although I am getting older and not that hyped anymore, a Gallagher release is always something special, although Noels last two outputs (bsd and wbtm) did not do that much for me I always try to stay open. So if you could listen to the record without any knowledge about writing credits woul it be so different?
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 4, 2019 11:16:49 GMT -5
Glad I didn't go and buy it now. Slag off Noel, slag off Weller, random oasis story, not curing cancer or reinventing the wheel kind of quote. Could this have not been an interview from 2 years ago? I got alot of stick for worrying that his album was rushed and nothing was written by him. He basically recorded it in a couple of weeks with songs just ready for him to sing. That's soul destroying to me even if the songs are good. It's basically just a money making opportunity with no soul in it. They'll keep milking thats for all its worth until we get a massive crash bigger than Beady Eye. since when the people who wrote a song are more important than the quality of the song? no soul? so there was no soul in oasis just because he was singing noel's song i guess and however there are a lot of information on new album,single and documentary There was soul in Oasis because there was a genuine link between Noels writing and Liams singing. I can't believe we are comparing the two concepts of a bandmate (and brother!) writing for the band and some bloke he hardly knows preparing a bunch of songs for him to sing over the top of in a week or two. It also strikes me that Liam doesn't actually seem to care about what hes singing. Just that hes singing songs on an album. He could barely say anything about each song from AYW when he was on Chris Moyles show. It'll be even worse for this one if he gets asked anything.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 4, 2019 11:18:38 GMT -5
How do you know how much input he had in the songs? He already said in the article he wrote the song ‘Why Me? Why Not’ and took it to them. One of the songs is about Molly lyrically at least are you really saying it has no soul without hearing a note or word? You’ve already made up your mind about this record and I’d suggest you don’t waste your money or the time moaning about it. This is all a bit OTT. Ive always been on here defending Liam. Now I know how TEAM NOEL feel. He also said FWIW was about his exs and he had naf all to do with that. It's the biggest compliment I can pay Liam to say i prefer his songwriting and ideas to anything hes paying money for. In an ideal world for me, Beady Eye wouod still be going and we'd have the 3 lads sitting down making music they love all for the right reasons. I loved that they were doing that. The manufactured way hes doing all this now only further makes me realise how bad the industry now is. I'm in no means just bashing him for the sake of it believe me. What’s OTT? Pointing out you didn’t read the article or at least ignored a few bits of it that run contrary to your position? We don’t really know this far how much Liam was involved in the process and probably won’t until we get more interviews but to write it off as soulless before we’ve heard it doesn’t make a lot of sense. As for the film, it’s been 10 years in the making long before AYW was released and he signed with Warner. Liam’s success is exactly why they can release it. Do you not want to see it? It seems like there’s been a lot of work out in to it rather than being put out to squeeze money out of the fans.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jun 4, 2019 11:18:40 GMT -5
How do you know how much input he had in the songs? He already said in the article he wrote the song ‘Why Me? Why Not’ and took it to them. One of the songs is about Molly lyrically at least are you really saying it has no soul without hearing a note or word? You’ve already made up your mind about this record and I’d suggest you don’t waste your money or the time moaning about it. This is all a bit OTT. Ive always been on here defending Liam. Now I know how TEAM NOEL feel. He also said FWIW was about his exs and he had naf all to do with that. It's the biggest compliment I can pay Liam to say i prefer his songwriting and ideas to anything hes paying money for. In an ideal world for me, Beady Eye wouod still be going and we'd have the 3 lads sitting down making music they love all for the right reasons. I loved that they were doing that. The manufactured way hes doing all this now only further makes me realise how bad the industry now is. I'm in no means just bashing him for the sake of it believe me. Its not crafted like alot pop music. Beady Eye were great but I amnhappy Liamnhad the chance to release new songs like Ive all I need. He seems like a fella who just loves to make music and knows his limits. It takes alot balls to be that self confident about that and say "hey I have ideas but maybe I need a helping hand crafting them". There is sure alot of passion and love in as you were and I believe liam is capable of delivering the same passion on why me/why not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 11:19:48 GMT -5
I find it funny that before as you were released, people were worried about Liam NOT working with songwriters due his songs always lacking things like a decent chorus, even going as far as to say that they didnt care if he worked if songwriters as long as the songs were good (most of us probably still hold that view), I think I even remember bold getting some stick for your standard Liam tune when he sang it in the pub.
.....yet now, people are actively worried that he will be using songwriters because they want him to write his own songs.....what is the difference between beady eye and as you were.....oh yeah the songwriters.
all in all we literally have no idea what is going on with this album so there is nothing to even talk about in that regard.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 4, 2019 11:24:24 GMT -5
This is all a bit OTT. Ive always been on here defending Liam. Now I know how TEAM NOEL feel. He also said FWIW was about his exs and he had naf all to do with that. It's the biggest compliment I can pay Liam to say i prefer his songwriting and ideas to anything hes paying money for. In an ideal world for me, Beady Eye wouod still be going and we'd have the 3 lads sitting down making music they love all for the right reasons. I loved that they were doing that. The manufactured way hes doing all this now only further makes me realise how bad the industry now is. I'm in no means just bashing him for the sake of it believe me. What’s OTT? Pointing out you didn’t read the article or at least ignored a few bits of it that run contrary to your position? We don’t really know this far how much Liam was involved in the process and probably won’t until we get more interviews but to write it off as soulless before we’ve heard it doesn’t make a lot of sense. As for the film, it’s been 10 years in the making long before AYW was released and he signed with Warner. Liam’s success is exactly why they can release it. Do you not want to see it? It seems like there’s been a lot of work out in to it rather than being put out to squeeze money out of the fans. I've not overlooked anything. It doesnt strike me like hes had alot to do with any songs. I'd love to be proved wrong but hearing songs are about certain things after knowing he said the same about FWIW - Or knowing he come up with a few lines here and there are not doing much to convince me otherwise. What was telling was when he said he knows his position and its as a singer when quizzed on it. That tells me pretty much what the process was. And i also find it sad because he certainly wasn't taking up the position when he was writing for DBTT onwards. He was rivalling Noels songs for me when he hit form. He just needs alot of guidance. Or on the other hand you could say Charlie Stalker has just had loads of footage hanging around from being the hired tour photographer and then they've seen the success of Supersonic and cashed in.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 4, 2019 11:28:25 GMT -5
I find it funny that before as you were released, people were worried about Liam NOT working with songwriters due his songs always lacking things like a decent chorus, even going as far as to say that they didnt care if he worked if songwriters as long as the songs were good (most of us probably still hold that view), I think I even remember bold getting some stick for your standard Liam tune when he sang it in the pub. .....yet now, people are actively worried that he will be using songwriters because they want him to write his own songs.....what is the difference between beady eye and as you were.....oh yeah the songwriters. all in all we literally have no idea what is going on with this album so there is nothing to even talk about in that regard. The difference between Beady Eye and As You Were is commercial songs leading off the album. You're absolutely right. Along with the name of Liam Gallagher being there. In terms of songwriting on the album, there's not alot between them. Liams melodies are stronger than Gem and Andys and better than the writers hes paying. All my opinion of course.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 4, 2019 11:46:00 GMT -5
What’s OTT? Pointing out you didn’t read the article or at least ignored a few bits of it that run contrary to your position? We don’t really know this far how much Liam was involved in the process and probably won’t until we get more interviews but to write it off as soulless before we’ve heard it doesn’t make a lot of sense. As for the film, it’s been 10 years in the making long before AYW was released and he signed with Warner. Liam’s success is exactly why they can release it. Do you not want to see it? It seems like there’s been a lot of work out in to it rather than being put out to squeeze money out of the fans. I've not overlooked anything. It doesnt strike me like hes had alot to do with any songs. I'd love to be proved wrong but hearing songs are about certain things after knowing he said the same about FWIW - Or knowing he come up with a few lines here and there are not doing much to convince me otherwise. What was telling was when he said he knows his position and its as a singer when quizzed on it. That tells me pretty much what the process was. And i also find it sad because he certainly wasn't taking up the position when he was writing for DBTT onwards. He was rivalling Noels songs for me when he hit form. He just needs alot of guidance. Or on the other hand you could say Charlie Stalker has just had loads of footage hanging around from being the hired tour photographer and then they've seen the success of Supersonic and cashed in. We’ve had a tiny amount of information about 4 songs? One of which he states he wrote and took to them. As It Was being released has nothing to do with the success of Supersonic. It’s to do with Liam’s own success. Had AYW bombed they wouldn’t have thought about releasing it. I would consider it a cash cow if it was being put out with a lack of anything interesting to say. Do you not think Liam’s life over the last 10 years has a story to tell?
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Post by andymorris on Jun 4, 2019 12:12:50 GMT -5
I don't care about all that negativity. If people want it to be bad they will find sth. to complain about. Paper crown for example is really an amazing song to me, not because of thevwriting credits, bt because Liam let it shine with great vocals. I am looking forward and although I am getting older and not that hyped anymore, a Gallagher release is always something special, although Noels last two outputs (bsd and wbtm) did not do that much for me I always try to stay open. So if you could listen to the record without any knowledge about writing credits woul it be so different? I love Paper Crown and AYW is a good album, but to me it will never be in the same league as Oasis or even NGHB. It is different, it's pop music, we like it for different reasons but it rings less "true", even less true than Beady Eye. Imagine if the Beatles had not written their songs ? Or Oasis ? it's very, very important. Liam's career will go on, fine, but i cant help but think there's some corporate vagina with a big cigar thinking Liam's fans will buy everything and he's laughing about it. It goes against everything Oasis was, everything Liam was. Times have changed, but Liam could probably contribute more, be more a complete artist and less "just" a singer. He'll never grow as an artist, staying in that formula. It's fun, it sounds good, but it's a bit bland too. If he wrote most of the lyrics and really contributed to the songwriting, then it's different.
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Post by mancraider on Jun 4, 2019 12:19:11 GMT -5
My understanding of FWIW is that it was intended as a general 'apology' song which was probably an intentional strategy given events prior to the album and his reputation, rather than a personal song written to Nicole. I don't think Liam has ever claimed he wrote the song to apologise to her.
I don't get the impression that there is much difference between the two albums creative process except that for the songs Liam has written he has taken them into the studio with Wyatt and Kurstin and allowed them to help take it to the next level rather than just accept his own limitations which i find very much to his credit. Hopefully that will translate into songs that are quintessentially Liam but with more developed structure and musical variety.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 4, 2019 12:31:55 GMT -5
My understanding of FWIW is that it was intended as a general 'apology' song which was probably an intentional strategy given events prior to the album and his reputation, rather than a personal song written to Nicole. I don't think Liam has ever claimed he wrote the song to apologise to her. That's the problem with Liam's solo career. They're betting on not so clear who wrote what. Here is the mail i got back then... It basically says he wrote it, although he didn't, he probably just threw in a couple of words so they could add him to songwriters. And that bothers me. upload"I'm not really that good at apologizing," Liam pointed out to Q Magazine back then. "So I got someone else to do it for me." that's a bit wrong to then send that to fans to buy : "I wanted to write an apology… Not to one person, but to everyone, because I’m no good at saying sorry.”... errmm, ok
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Post by mancraider on Jun 4, 2019 12:58:58 GMT -5
My understanding of FWIW is that it was intended as a general 'apology' song which was probably an intentional strategy given events prior to the album and his reputation, rather than a personal song written to Nicole. I don't think Liam has ever claimed he wrote the song to apologise to her. That's the problem with Liam's solo career. They're betting on not so clear who wrote what. Here is the mail i got back then... It basically says he wrote it, although he didn't, he probably just threw in a couple of words so they could add him to songwriters. And that bothers me. upload"I'm not really that good at apologizing," Liam pointed out to Q Magazine back then. "So I got someone else to do it for me." that's a bit wrong to then send that to fans to buy : "I wanted to write an apology… Not to one person, but to everyone, because I’m no good at saying sorry.”... errmm, ok I think we are sort of agreeing that FWIW is a bit of a cynical apology in that it was decided it was necessary, either by the label or Liams management, as a strategic part of his rehabilitation. Think of that what you will but it can't be denied that his comeback has been very successful and FWIW one of his biggest hits. Whoever made that decision will feel vindicated. It's fine to want your musical heroes to have complete control over their own career and creative process like say a Dylan or Bowie but I'm afraid that's not who Liam is. It's what Noel values and fair enough if that's your priority as a fan but it's not the be and end all when it comes to being a big star. Elvis had very little control over any aspect of his career. I think Liam is doing fine on his own terms and am looking forward to hearing his new album.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 4, 2019 13:50:39 GMT -5
That's the problem with Liam's solo career. They're betting on not so clear who wrote what. Here is the mail i got back then... It basically says he wrote it, although he didn't, he probably just threw in a couple of words so they could add him to songwriters. And that bothers me. upload"I'm not really that good at apologizing," Liam pointed out to Q Magazine back then. "So I got someone else to do it for me." that's a bit wrong to then send that to fans to buy : "I wanted to write an apology… Not to one person, but to everyone, because I’m no good at saying sorry.”... errmm, ok I think we are sort of agreeing that FWIW is a bit of a cynical apology in that it was decided it was necessary, either by the label or Liams management, as a strategic part of his rehabilitation. Think of that what you will but it can't be denied that his comeback has been very successful and FWIW one of his biggest hits. Whoever made that decision will feel vindicated. It's fine to want your musical heroes to have complete control over their own career and creative process like say a Dylan or Bowie but I'm afraid that's not who Liam is. It's what Noel values and fair enough if that's your priority as a fan but it's not the be and end all when it comes to being a big star. Elvis had very little control over any aspect of his career. I think Liam is doing fine on his own terms and am looking forward to hearing his new album. Yeah we agree, i look forward to this record too, but as you said Liam is Elvis, good pop corn music. And look where Elvis ended up... Liam, Las Vegas residency in 2030...
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