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Post by joladella on Nov 24, 2018 7:42:30 GMT -5
I think no one posted that yet?
Maybe it is hindsight, but it sounds as if they really believed in Liam and still do. Also, some acknowledgment of Debbie's role in all of this.
Of course, not everything went without problems (still smarting about that clusterfuck of the non tour now in november), but all in all I think Team Liam did a good job and it makes one optimistic if they keep the current team, if everybody is working well together.
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Post by janedoe on Nov 24, 2018 11:30:44 GMT -5
I think no one posted that yet?
Maybe it is hindsight, but it sounds as if they really believed in Liam and still do. Also, some acknowledgment of Debbie's role in all of this.
Of course, not everything went without problems (still smarting about that clusterfuck of the non tour now in november), but all in all I think Team Liam did a good job and it makes one optimistic if they keep the current team, if everybody is working well together.
Great article. Thank you for posting!
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Post by mrose on Nov 24, 2018 11:51:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah! I saw this and meant to post. It was really interesting, thanks!
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Post by fartpanic on Nov 26, 2018 7:31:57 GMT -5
I'm as happy with everyone involved with this as anyone else. But let's not forget it's the fans who have put him back where he is.
If you look back at any posts from "team liam" after Beady Eye, you'll see many many posts exactly like the quotes in that article. We all knew marketing one of the UK's biggest rock stars in the right way would equal success.
I know alot of the haters were really enjoying it and claimed how unpopular he was but anyone properly in touch knew this wasn't the case.
I actually think people on here can take some credit because There are plenty of posts about putting his face on the cover, just having the name Liam Gallagher etc. All of which happened. Not saying they read this forum but it goes to show it didn't take some Masterplan to get him back to where he should be... just a bit of common sense after the disaster of the BE marketing.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 26, 2018 7:58:57 GMT -5
I'm as happy with everyone involved with this as anyone else. But let's not forget it's the fans who have put him back where he is. If you look back at any posts from "team liam" after Beady Eye, you'll see many many posts exactly like the quotes in that article. We all knew marketing one of the UK's biggest rock stars in the right way would equal success. I know alot of the haters were really enjoying it and claimed how unpopular he was but anyone properly in touch knew this wasn't the case. I actually think people on here can take some credit because There are plenty of posts about putting his face on the cover, just having the name Liam Gallagher etc. All of which happened. Not saying they read this forum but it goes to show it didn't take some Masterplan to get him back to where he should be... just a bit of common sense after the disaster of the BE marketing. Couldn't disagree more. Liam put Liam where he is now, him and the team around him anyway. The fans didn't write some of his best songs and they didn't pick his colaborators. The important thing was he put out an album of merit with some good stuff on, the marketing around that was spot on. Looking around his gigs too, this wasn't the old guard fans proping him up, there was so many young people getting on board. I think the credit goes to him and his team.
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Post by fartpanic on Nov 26, 2018 8:44:09 GMT -5
I'm as happy with everyone involved with this as anyone else. But let's not forget it's the fans who have put him back where he is. If you look back at any posts from "team liam" after Beady Eye, you'll see many many posts exactly like the quotes in that article. We all knew marketing one of the UK's biggest rock stars in the right way would equal success. I know alot of the haters were really enjoying it and claimed how unpopular he was but anyone properly in touch knew this wasn't the case. I actually think people on here can take some credit because There are plenty of posts about putting his face on the cover, just having the name Liam Gallagher etc. All of which happened. Not saying they read this forum but it goes to show it didn't take some Masterplan to get him back to where he should be... just a bit of common sense after the disaster of the BE marketing. Couldn't disagree more. Liam put Liam where he is now, him and the team around him anyway. The fans didn't write some of his best songs and they didn't pick his colaborators. The important thing was he put out an album of merit with some good stuff on, the marketing around that was spot on. Looking around his gigs too, this wasn't the old guard fans proping him up, there was so many young people getting on board. I think the credit goes to him and his team. To paraphrase Noel from supersonic - that's all well and good but what if no one shows up? No doubt there's credit due to the management. But they haven't done anything I wasn't saying they should do 5 years ago. Everyone on here who supported him suggested collaborating, name out there, Liam on cover. Throw in his social media output and of course a bit of luck too. It's not like you can pin point anything and say they were a genius doing that. They've just done everything as it should be, and that's where they deserve credit. But im not quite believing the hype that there was anything brilliant in what they did.
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Post by matt on Nov 26, 2018 10:14:03 GMT -5
I'm as happy with everyone involved with this as anyone else. But let's not forget it's the fans who have put him back where he is. If you look back at any posts from "team liam" after Beady Eye, you'll see many many posts exactly like the quotes in that article. We all knew marketing one of the UK's biggest rock stars in the right way would equal success. I know alot of the haters were really enjoying it and claimed how unpopular he was but anyone properly in touch knew this wasn't the case. I actually think people on here can take some credit because There are plenty of posts about putting his face on the cover, just having the name Liam Gallagher etc. All of which happened. Not saying they read this forum but it goes to show it didn't take some Masterplan to get him back to where he should be... just a bit of common sense after the disaster of the BE marketing. We don’t owe loyalty to Liam or Noel - as far as I’m concerned, we are merely buyers. Credit should be given to Liam and particularly Debbie for having the humility to team up with professional industry people. Liam has succeeded with a very good album with very good songs, that’s your best marketing tool. Beady Eye didn’t fail because of marketing, they failed because they were shit. End of story.
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Post by noliamno on Nov 26, 2018 13:01:21 GMT -5
Liam has succeeded with a very good album with very good songs, that’s your best marketing tool. Beady Eye didn’t fail because of marketing, they failed because they were shit. End of story. #nailedit Why would fans get credit? Through out the history of pop music, it's been proven time and again, the public doesn't know what it wants. It takes an artist, taking a chance, putting himself out there, willing to drown. Do you think public knew they wanted the Beatles? Hendrix? Zepplin? Nope! They had no clue until they experienced it. My buddy played me an album in 1978 that blew my head off. I had been Van Halened! This came from deep inside Liam. He was motivated because he was doubted. Great album! Great Comeback! and I'm #teamnoel !!!!!
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Post by fartpanic on Nov 26, 2018 19:00:40 GMT -5
I'm as happy with everyone involved with this as anyone else. But let's not forget it's the fans who have put him back where he is. If you look back at any posts from "team liam" after Beady Eye, you'll see many many posts exactly like the quotes in that article. We all knew marketing one of the UK's biggest rock stars in the right way would equal success. I know alot of the haters were really enjoying it and claimed how unpopular he was but anyone properly in touch knew this wasn't the case. I actually think people on here can take some credit because There are plenty of posts about putting his face on the cover, just having the name Liam Gallagher etc. All of which happened. Not saying they read this forum but it goes to show it didn't take some Masterplan to get him back to where he should be... just a bit of common sense after the disaster of the BE marketing. We don’t owe loyalty to Liam or Noel - as far as I’m concerned, we are merely buyers. Credit should be given to Liam and particularly Debbie for having the humility to team up with professional industry people. Liam has succeeded with a very good album with very good songs, that’s your best marketing tool. Beady Eye didn’t fail because of marketing, they failed because they were shit. End of story. There isn't a massive difference between the majority of songs on As You Were and DGSS. Especially Liams. I'd say he wrote better songs in Beady Eye in the main. Marketing was a massive reason. Wall of Glass was a great in your face single but The Roller would have actually charted higher than even that if it had a proper release. Things like the one love concert etc fell into place at exactly the right time too. I dont think Beady Eye were shit. If you do then cool. Doesn't mean they were.
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Post by matt on Nov 26, 2018 19:12:48 GMT -5
We don’t owe loyalty to Liam or Noel - as far as I’m concerned, we are merely buyers. Credit should be given to Liam and particularly Debbie for having the humility to team up with professional industry people. Liam has succeeded with a very good album with very good songs, that’s your best marketing tool. Beady Eye didn’t fail because of marketing, they failed because they were shit. End of story. There isn't a massive difference between the majority of songs on As You Were and DGSS. Especially Liams. I'd say he wrote better songs in Beady Eye in the main. Marketing was a massive reason. Wall of Glass was a great in your face single but The Roller would have actually charted higher than even that if it had a proper release. Things like the one love concert etc fell into place at exactly the right time too. I dont think Beady Eye were shit. If you do then cool. Doesn't mean they were. Nah, Wall Of Glass has an edge, snarl and bite to it that Beady Eye never had. It hits you immediately without being derivative. The Roller sounds like the Tweenies apeing Instant Karma.
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Post by fartpanic on Nov 27, 2018 5:59:56 GMT -5
There isn't a massive difference between the majority of songs on As You Were and DGSS. Especially Liams. I'd say he wrote better songs in Beady Eye in the main. Marketing was a massive reason. Wall of Glass was a great in your face single but The Roller would have actually charted higher than even that if it had a proper release. Things like the one love concert etc fell into place at exactly the right time too. I dont think Beady Eye were shit. If you do then cool. Doesn't mean they were. Nah, Wall Of Glass has an edge, snarl and bite to it that Beady Eye never had. It hits you immediately without being derivative. The Roller sounds like the Tweenies apeing Instant Karma. I can tell from the tone of your comments that you had a low opinion of Beady Eye. I agree that Wall Of Glass is a brilliant single and more than did its job of promoting Liam back to the place he deserves. But he's still written the majority of As You Were. He hasn't just suddenly started writing songs worthy of where he is now. Like I said, I'd argue alot of what he did for Beady Eye is better than the likes of I get by, when im in need etc. I'm not claiming Beady Eye were just completely misunderstood and only lacked marketing. But i listen to more than enough indie music to know their albums were better than a hell of alot of stuff the genre produces now. Certainly not the write offs people claim, and certainly not a million miles from the songwriting on As You Were.
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Post by noliamno on Nov 27, 2018 7:15:42 GMT -5
Beady Eye had some hooks and some decent under developed ideas, but not many whole, complete songs. I think that was their failure.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Nov 27, 2018 19:23:51 GMT -5
There isn't a massive difference between the majority of songs on As You Were and DGSS. Especially Liams. I'd say he wrote better songs in Beady Eye in the main. Marketing was a massive reason. Wall of Glass was a great in your face single but The Roller would have actually charted higher than even that if it had a proper release. Things like the one love concert etc fell into place at exactly the right time too. I dont think Beady Eye were shit. If you do then cool. Doesn't mean they were. Nah, Wall Of Glass has an edge, snarl and bite to it that Beady Eye never had. It hits you immediately without being derivative. The Roller sounds like the Tweenies apeing Instant Karma. You mention snarl and edge but for me Beady Eye had a snarlier and edgier song than Oasis had produced in years in Four Letter Word. It was the perfect first single but they blew that on Bring The Light. I can only speak from personal experience, but I know plenty of people who were intrigued by Beady Eye but immediately turned off when they heard Bring the Light. The band talked about distancing themselves from the Oasis sound but that's exactly what the public wanted. Instead they got a Jerry Lee Lewis rip off. They blew any goodwill they had from Liam/Oasis. You only have to look at Liam's solo career as proof - they went back to basics releasing a typical Liam/Oasis sounding album, capitalised on the nostalgia/success of Supersonic and had Liam come out at his first solo gig to Fucking in the Bushes, opening with Rock n Roll Star and Morning Glory. Liam will never appeal to non-Oasis fans so why distance yourself from that. Even Noel played it ultra safe at first, releasing an album which was essentially leftover Oasis songs (Record Machine and Stop the Clocks had been talked about for years!) and opening and closing gigs with 90s Oasis songs. He didn't really find his feet as a solo artist until Chasing Yesterday imo.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 30, 2018 7:51:26 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree more. Liam put Liam where he is now, him and the team around him anyway. The fans didn't write some of his best songs and they didn't pick his colaborators. The important thing was he put out an album of merit with some good stuff on, the marketing around that was spot on. Looking around his gigs too, this wasn't the old guard fans proping him up, there was so many young people getting on board. I think the credit goes to him and his team. To paraphrase Noel from supersonic - that's all well and good but what if no one shows up?
No doubt there's credit due to the management. But they haven't done anything I wasn't saying they should do 5 years ago. Everyone on here who supported him suggested collaborating, name out there, Liam on cover. Throw in his social media output and of course a bit of luck too. It's not like you can pin point anything and say they were a genius doing that. They've just done everything as it should be, and that's where they deserve credit. But im not quite believing the hype that there was anything brilliant in what they did. They always were going to though. Because Oasis are the biggest British band of the last 30 years. Hands down. And because my generation has nobody of any relevance, at least in comparison to the Gallaghers, marketing Liam right and also just simply Liam being Liam and coming back at the right time was always going to result in the explosion it did. Think about it, 2017/18 was almost a repeat of 94/95. Not on the same scale, but in terms of 'the youth culture' getting behind Liam, there's a lot of comparisons.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 30, 2018 9:42:05 GMT -5
To paraphrase Noel from supersonic - that's all well and good but what if no one shows up?
No doubt there's credit due to the management. But they haven't done anything I wasn't saying they should do 5 years ago. Everyone on here who supported him suggested collaborating, name out there, Liam on cover. Throw in his social media output and of course a bit of luck too. It's not like you can pin point anything and say they were a genius doing that. They've just done everything as it should be, and that's where they deserve credit. But im not quite believing the hype that there was anything brilliant in what they did. They always were going to though. Because Oasis are the biggest British band of the last 30 years. Hands down. And because my generation has nobody of any relevance, at least in comparison to the Gallaghers, marketing Liam right and also just simply Liam being Liam and coming back at the right time was always going to result in the explosion it did. Think about it, 2017/18 was almost a repeat of 94/95. Not on the same scale, but in terms of 'the youth culture' getting behind Liam, there's a lot of comparisons. You talk like its easy to pick the right time to come back. You also don't mention the album anywhere, I guess you think it was all a coincidence. Its easy to say with hindsight it was going to result in a explosion but a lot of people have come back with good records who simply haven't got the attention they derserve.
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Post by bt95 on Dec 3, 2018 6:20:28 GMT -5
They always were going to though. Because Oasis are the biggest British band of the last 30 years. Hands down. And because my generation has nobody of any relevance, at least in comparison to the Gallaghers, marketing Liam right and also just simply Liam being Liam and coming back at the right time was always going to result in the explosion it did. Think about it, 2017/18 was almost a repeat of 94/95. Not on the same scale, but in terms of 'the youth culture' getting behind Liam, there's a lot of comparisons. You talk like its easy to pick the right time to come back. You also don't mention the album anywhere, I guess you think it was all a coincidence. Its easy to say with hindsight it was going to result in a explosion but a lot of people have come back with good records who simply haven't got the attention they derserve. I don't think it was all a coincidence. I like the album. It's not a 'great' album in my book but it's a great album for what was needed for Liam to come back. It was the perfect storm. Just like Definitely Maybe was the perfect storm in 1994. I haven't said it with hindsight. I've said the same thing since the first time he came back. And yes, plenty may have come back without attention, but none of them have the profile or aura of Liam Gallagher. Those two brothers have been in the headlines for 24 years now. They're a staple of pop culture in Britain.
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