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Post by mossy on Mar 3, 2019 11:18:29 GMT -5
Hey, might be a good move. Might be good to have industry professionals tell him to stop making middle aged mid tempo dad rock and go back to cosmic pop. Isn't a major label more likely to want the safer option? I dont really care who the label is, I just think his team is out of date and the management or whoever it is are just too slow to get everything done. Noel could easily drop an album tomorrow and preserve his record of number 1 albums thanks to his name alone, if that's what he's been worried about before. Hell yeah. Case in point: let’s record a video for every song on the album. Great idea, great way to promote the record around launch time. Oh wait, it’s been out for nearly 18 months and we still haven’t released them... X |
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Post by durk on Mar 3, 2019 11:59:00 GMT -5
i'm LOL at liam's tweets
new NG of the CY persuasion as opposed to Holmes is ok by me- not matter who's producing it
and oh shit- i completely forgot about Come on Outside! total bop
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 3, 2019 12:52:46 GMT -5
Isn't a major label more likely to want the safer option? I dont really care who the label is, I just think his team is out of date and the management or whoever it is are just too slow to get everything done. Noel could easily drop an album tomorrow and preserve his record of number 1 albums thanks to his name alone, if that's what he's been worried about before. Hell yeah. Case in point: let’s record a video for every song on the album. Great idea, great way to promote the record around launch time. Oh wait, it’s been out for nearly 18 months and we still haven’t released them... X The short clip vid did seem quite cheesy though, and kind of at odds with the spirit of the album, so I am inclined to think they may have made the right decision with this one... |
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Post by mossy on Mar 3, 2019 14:02:19 GMT -5
Hell yeah. Case in point: let’s record a video for every song on the album. Great idea, great way to promote the record around launch time. Oh wait, it’s been out for nearly 18 months and we still haven’t released them... X The short clip vid did seem quite cheesy though, and kind of at odds with the spirit of the album, so I am inclined to think they may have made the right decision with this one... It was a good idea, but terrible execution. X |
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 3, 2019 14:33:07 GMT -5
The short clip vid did seem quite cheesy though, and kind of at odds with the spirit of the album, so I am inclined to think they may have made the right decision with this one... It was a good idea, but terrible execution. X Absolutely! And the most ironic thing is that the only song that did, indeed, have a "westerny" feel (TMWBTM) ended up having no vídeo at all… That was the one I was really looking foward to! |
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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2019 16:27:40 GMT -5
Hey, might be a good move. Might be good to have industry professionals tell him to stop making middle aged mid tempo dad rock and go back to cosmic pop. Isn't a major label more likely to want the safer option? I dont really care who the label is, I just think his team is out of date and the management or whoever it is are just too slow to get everything done. Noel could easily drop an album tomorrow and preserve his record of number 1 albums thanks to his name alone, if that's what he's been worried about before. There’s safe and then there’s Noel Gallagher levels of safety. Seriously, Noel’s records prior to Moon make Coldplay’s more adventurous records look positively avant garde. Who Built The Moon is as accessible as any Noel Gallagher album but sounded contemporary, exotic and adventurous by comparison - whatever anyone thinks of Holy Mountain (and I love it), it sold better in the charts than most of his dreary dirge fests pre-Moon. Even my sister loved it and thought fair game, and she was always going on about how boring his music generally is. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 17:04:03 GMT -5
Isn't a major label more likely to want the safer option? I dont really care who the label is, I just think his team is out of date and the management or whoever it is are just too slow to get everything done. Noel could easily drop an album tomorrow and preserve his record of number 1 albums thanks to his name alone, if that's what he's been worried about before. There’s safe and then there’s Noel Gallagher levels of safety. Seriously, Noel’s records prior to Moon make Coldplay’s more adventurous records look positively avant garde. Who Built The Moon is as accessible as any Noel Gallagher album but sounded contemporary, exotic and adventurous by comparison - whatever anyone thinks of Holy Mountain (and I love it), it sold better in the charts than most of his dreary dirge fests pre-Moon. Even my sister loved it and thought fair game, and she was always going on about how boring his music generally is. Boring?! What the f*ck have you been doing for the last 25 years...pouting because Noel and Oasis were too "safe" for you? Go back to your Thom Yorke forum and wank off to your boops, bleeps, and random noises with the rest of your too-cool-for-the-room Pitchfork friends. I guess the rest of us who love Noel's solo work just don't "get it", do we? Leave us "simpletons" alone and move along... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 3, 2019 18:03:03 GMT -5
There’s safe and then there’s Noel Gallagher levels of safety. Seriously, Noel’s records prior to Moon make Coldplay’s more adventurous records look positively avant garde. Who Built The Moon is as accessible as any Noel Gallagher album but sounded contemporary, exotic and adventurous by comparison - whatever anyone thinks of Holy Mountain (and I love it), it sold better in the charts than most of his dreary dirge fests pre-Moon. Even my sister loved it and thought fair game, and she was always going on about how boring his music generally is. Boring?! What the f*ck have you been doing for the last 25 years...pouting because Noel and Oasis were too "safe" for you? Go back to your Thom Yorke forum and wank off to your boops, bleeps, and random noises with the rest of your too-cool-for-the-room Pitchfork friends. I guess the rest of us who love Noel's solo work just don't "get it", do we? Leave us "simpletons" alone and move along... He said his sister found Noel boring. No need to bring Thom Yorke into this. |
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Post by drummert5 on Mar 3, 2019 18:14:50 GMT -5
I cannot find the link now, and so it’s possible I imagined it, but I’m almost certain I remember reading an article from someone with one of the majors, maybe even Warner, explaining that they worked on the WBTM release even though it came out through Sour Mash.
It’s not “being on a label” in the way Liam is (where they got to choose the members of his touring band etc.), but he uses label services. Nothing seems odd about that to me.
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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2019 18:25:11 GMT -5
Boring?! What the f*ck have you been doing for the last 25 years...pouting because Noel and Oasis were too "safe" for you? Go back to your Thom Yorke forum and wank off to your boops, bleeps, and random noises with the rest of your too-cool-for-the-room Pitchfork friends. I guess the rest of us who love Noel's solo work just don't "get it", do we? Leave us "simpletons" alone and move along... He said his sister found Noel boring. No need to bring Thom Yorke into this. Would you believe it but I was actually listening to Karma Police when reading that post!  |
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 6, 2019 0:22:16 GMT -5
There’s safe and then there’s Noel Gallagher levels of safety. Seriously, Noel’s records prior to Moon make Coldplay’s more adventurous records look positively avant garde. Who Built The Moon is as accessible as any Noel Gallagher album but sounded contemporary, exotic and adventurous by comparison - whatever anyone thinks of Holy Mountain (and I love it), it sold better in the charts than most of his dreary dirge fests pre-Moon. Even my sister loved it and thought fair game, and she was always going on about how boring his music generally is. Boring?! What the f*ck have you been doing for the last 25 years...pouting because Noel and Oasis were too "safe" for you? Go back to your Thom Yorke forum and wank off to your boops, bleeps, and random noises with the rest of your too-cool-for-the-room Pitchfork friends. I guess the rest of us who love Noel's solo work just don't "get it", do we? Leave us "simpletons" alone and move along... This could be a good meme. |
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Post by mattcox048 on Mar 6, 2019 8:22:19 GMT -5
There’s safe and then there’s Noel Gallagher levels of safety. Seriously, Noel’s records prior to Moon make Coldplay’s more adventurous records look positively avant garde. Who Built The Moon is as accessible as any Noel Gallagher album but sounded contemporary, exotic and adventurous by comparison - whatever anyone thinks of Holy Mountain (and I love it), it sold better in the charts than most of his dreary dirge fests pre-Moon. Even my sister loved it and thought fair game, and she was always going on about how boring his music generally is. Boring?! What the f*ck have you been doing for the last 25 years...pouting because Noel and Oasis were too "safe" for you? Go back to your Thom Yorke forum and wank off to your boops, bleeps, and random noises with the rest of your too-cool-for-the-room Pitchfork friends. I guess the rest of us who love Noel's solo work just don't "get it", do we? Leave us "simpletons" alone and move along... Calm down mate, no one's attacking you. Artists need to evolve to stay fresh, that's just logical. Some people don't mind and that's fine, but others would rather hear something new rather than poor imitations of past glories. 'Who Built the Moon?' was exactly what I wanted after two uninspired albums from Noel (relatively speaking, even on a bad day he's still a good songwriter). It was also the first solo album of his to not feel like it needs Liam, IMO. If you didn't like the particular direction he went in, then I completely respect your opinion. But try and look at things from a different point of view rather than lashing out. We're all friends here. |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 6, 2019 9:22:05 GMT -5
Noel's solo career is pretty logical if you ask me. NGHFB was the record he needed to make right after Oasis. There's safe songs on it, but also songs that could never have made it on Oasis record (What a Life, Broken Arrow, Death of You and Me, the way they were recorded). It's not a bland record.
To me the only record that does not work in the evolution of NG is Chasing Yesterday. He tried to "evolve" and kinda failed, the songs are not meant to be treated the way they were treated and the songwriting was kinda shit. Where NGHFB has production flaws, it was saved by the songs. CS was not. Then, we have WBTM which absolutely what he needed to make.
Now what is the next step ? I feel like Noel needs to make either a very acoustic based records, full of string and orchestration and maybe no guitars, just piano, violins and stuff. And on the side, make another eccentric records where he would push the limits. He's got the talent and apparently enough songs to do it.
His solo career is launched, it's working well (despite hat Liam says), so he can basically play with his audience and do one step forward and two backwards (if just an acoustic guitar and a great song is "going backward", i dont think so. sometimes it's only what a song needs).
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Post by shannee on Mar 6, 2019 9:30:02 GMT -5
Boring?! What the f*ck have you been doing for the last 25 years...pouting because Noel and Oasis were too "safe" for you? Go back to your Thom Yorke forum and wank off to your boops, bleeps, and random noises with the rest of your too-cool-for-the-room Pitchfork friends. I guess the rest of us who love Noel's solo work just don't "get it", do we? Leave us "simpletons" alone and move along... This could be a good meme. Is this copypasta? If not, it needs to be |
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Post by mossy on Mar 6, 2019 10:12:10 GMT -5
There’s safe and then there’s Noel Gallagher levels of safety. Seriously, Noel’s records prior to Moon make Coldplay’s more adventurous records look positively avant garde. Who Built The Moon is as accessible as any Noel Gallagher album but sounded contemporary, exotic and adventurous by comparison - whatever anyone thinks of Holy Mountain (and I love it), it sold better in the charts than most of his dreary dirge fests pre-Moon. Even my sister loved it and thought fair game, and she was always going on about how boring his music generally is. Boring?! What the f*ck have you been doing for the last 25 years...pouting because Noel and Oasis were too "safe" for you? Go back to your Thom Yorke forum and wank off to your boops, bleeps, and random noises with the rest of your too-cool-for-the-room Pitchfork friends. I guess the rest of us who love Noel's solo work just don't "get it", do we? Leave us "simpletons" alone and move along... You can’t beat a good bloop beep wank now and again mate. I recommend this to get you started and ease you in gently. X  |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 6, 2019 11:28:32 GMT -5
Boring?! What the f*ck have you been doing for the last 25 years...pouting because Noel and Oasis were too "safe" for you? Go back to your Thom Yorke forum and wank off to your boops, bleeps, and random noises with the rest of your too-cool-for-the-room Pitchfork friends. I guess the rest of us who love Noel's solo work just don't "get it", do we? Leave us "simpletons" alone and move along... You can’t beat a good bloop beep wank now and again mate. I recommend this to get you started and ease you in gently. X 's probably fucked that chick. God bless. |
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Post by freddy838 on Mar 6, 2019 14:21:15 GMT -5
Noel's solo career is pretty logical if you ask me. NGHFB was the record he needed to make right after Oasis. There's safe songs on it, but also songs that could never have made it on Oasis record (What a Life, Broken Arrow, Death of You and Me, the way they were recorded). It's not a bland record. To me the only record that does not work in the evolution of NG is Chasing Yesterday. He tried to "evolve" and kinda failed, the songs are not meant to be treated the way they were treated and the songwriting was kinda shit. Where NGHFB has production flaws, it was saved by the songs. CS was not. Then, we have WBTM which absolutely what he needed to make. Now what is the next step ? I feel like Noel needs to make either a very acoustic based records, full of string and orchestration and maybe no guitars, just piano, violins and stuff. And on the side, make another eccentric records where he would push the limits. He's got the talent and apparently enough songs to do it. His solo career is launched, it's working well (despite hat Liam says), so he can basically play with his audience and do one step forward and two backwards (if just an acoustic guitar and a great song is "going backward", i dont think so. sometimes it's only what a song needs). Strangely, Chasing Yesterday is the only one I've enjoyed. His debut is the only Oasisy release that on first listen left me stone cold, and WBTM the less said, the better. I agree about his next steps, I'd love to hear a proper acoustic album and another go with Holmes, but not restricting himself to writing in the studio. |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 6, 2019 14:57:59 GMT -5
Noel's solo career is pretty logical if you ask me. NGHFB was the record he needed to make right after Oasis. There's safe songs on it, but also songs that could never have made it on Oasis record (What a Life, Broken Arrow, Death of You and Me, the way they were recorded). It's not a bland record. To me the only record that does not work in the evolution of NG is Chasing Yesterday. He tried to "evolve" and kinda failed, the songs are not meant to be treated the way they were treated and the songwriting was kinda shit. Where NGHFB has production flaws, it was saved by the songs. CS was not. Then, we have WBTM which absolutely what he needed to make. Now what is the next step ? I feel like Noel needs to make either a very acoustic based records, full of string and orchestration and maybe no guitars, just piano, violins and stuff. And on the side, make another eccentric records where he would push the limits. He's got the talent and apparently enough songs to do it. His solo career is launched, it's working well (despite hat Liam says), so he can basically play with his audience and do one step forward and two backwards (if just an acoustic guitar and a great song is "going backward", i dont think so. sometimes it's only what a song needs). Strangely, Chasing Yesterday is the only one I've enjoyed. His debut is the only Oasisy release that on first listen left me stone cold, and WBTM the less said, the better. I agree about his next steps, I'd love to hear a proper acoustic album and another go with Holmes, but not restricting himself to writing in the studio. Well, NGHFB has a very cinematic and silly sound that i like. I guess everyone's different. I enjoy Chasing Yesterday sometimes, although a few tracks a very cringeworthy. He tried to replicate the 80s early 90s sound of rock music and it didn't quite work for me. He tried again on WBTM on a few tracks and this time, it clicked i think because he didn't throw every cliche instruments and most of all, Holmes treated the sound as retro but with a modern approach, a bit like Oasis on MG. On CS, it was only bad retro music, a lazy copy and paste. The Ballad of the Mighty I and The Mexican are the examples of that. I would save Riverman / Do the Damage and a couple of tracks, but as a whole, CS is a good EP with a lot of fillers. |
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Post by oasisunited on Mar 6, 2019 15:12:33 GMT -5
I cannot find the link now, and so it’s possible I imagined it, but I’m almost certain I remember reading an article from someone with one of the majors, maybe even Warner, explaining that they worked on the WBTM release even though it came out through Sour Mash. It’s not “being on a label” in the way Liam is (where they got to choose the members of his touring band etc.), but he uses label services. Nothing seems odd about that to me. This is almost certainly the case. Chasing Yesterday was distributed by ADA (http://ada-music.com/), which is a service for independent artists to help distribute their work. It also just happens to be owned by Warner Music. I would suspect Noel would have used them again for WBTM. Liam being Liam (and after 20 years still apparently having no understanding of the recording industry) probably heard that Noel re-upped with ADA to distribute his new album(s) and understood that to mean he signed on with a major label/Warner. Either that, or he understands and is just riling up his fan base. Either way, unless Noel is throwing in the towel on running his own label and wants for some reason to be beholden to a major label and all that comes with it, I would put my money on him just re-upping his deal to use ADA as the distributor. |
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Mar 6, 2019 15:20:29 GMT -5
For my money, Who Built The Moon is the best thing Noel has been involved with since Be Here Now. The first two albums sounded like watered down Oasis because that's essentially what they were - some songs written in the Oasis style only without Liam. If he truly wants to establish his identity as a solo artist independent from his past in Oasis like Johnny Marr or Paul Weller, he has to make a record that has a completely different sound. And for that reason, WBTM was the perfect record to make.
All of this conjecture aside, I just fucking love the album! It's such a joyous experience. I cannot wait to see him again in May!!!!!
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Post by MONO on Mar 6, 2019 15:40:09 GMT -5
NGHFB is a great album of Oasis leftovers. CY is one of the most boring albums ever released and WBTM consists of 5 songs blown up to ten and then spread over 7 releases. The CY/WBTM remixes are the only tracks I regularly listen to from these two records.
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 6, 2019 15:57:27 GMT -5
I cannot find the link now, and so it’s possible I imagined it, but I’m almost certain I remember reading an article from someone with one of the majors, maybe even Warner, explaining that they worked on the WBTM release even though it came out through Sour Mash. It’s not “being on a label” in the way Liam is (where they got to choose the members of his touring band etc.), but he uses label services. Nothing seems odd about that to me. This is almost certainly the case. Chasing Yesterday was distributed by ADA (http://ada-music.com/), which is a service for independent artists to help distribute their work. It also just happens to be owned by Warner Music. I would suspect Noel would have used them again for WBTM. Liam being Liam (and after 20 years still apparently having no understanding of the recording industry) probably heard that Noel re-upped with ADA to distribute his new album(s) and understood that to mean he signed on with a major label/Warner. Either that, or he understands and is just riling up his fan base. Either way, unless Noel is throwing in the towel on running his own label and wants for some reason to be beholden to a major label and all that comes with it, I would put my money on him just re-upping his deal to use ADA as the distributor. I noticed someone did ask him if it was just the distribution deal we already knew about from previous releases. He didn't answer, as far as I know. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 17:45:48 GMT -5
NGHFB is a great album of Oasis leftovers. CY is one of the most boring albums ever released and WBTM consists of 5 songs blown up to ten and then spread over 7 releases. The CY/WBTM remixes are the only tracks I regularly listen to from these two records. You're dumber than a bag of rocks. If you can't find genius on Noel's first two albums, especially CY, then you don't know much about music. I'm sure you love that doorbell jackhammer in Fort Knox though - bet you and the rest of the remix only-lovers think it's "fookin brilliant mate!". Ugh. Go find another forum and take your Noel-hating friends with you, please. |
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 6, 2019 18:09:40 GMT -5
Strangely, Chasing Yesterday is the only one I've enjoyed. His debut is the only Oasisy release that on first listen left me stone cold, and WBTM the less said, the better. I agree about his next steps, I'd love to hear a proper acoustic album and another go with Holmes, but not restricting himself to writing in the studio. Well, NGHFB has a very cinematic and silly sound that i like. I guess everyone's different. I enjoy Chasing Yesterday sometimes, although a few tracks a very cringeworthy. He tried to replicate the 80s early 90s sound of rock music and it didn't quite work for me. He tried again on WBTM on a few tracks and this time, it clicked i think because he didn't throw every cliche instruments and most of all, Holmes treated the sound as retro but with a modern approach, a bit like Oasis on MG. On CS, it was only bad retro music, a lazy copy and paste. The Ballad of the Mighty I and The Mexican are the examples of that. I would save Riverman / Do the Damage and a couple of tracks, but as a whole, CS is a good EP with a lot of fillers. Well, after writing a huge block of text, my phone though it would be a good idea not to "create post" and rather made it disappear. Maybe my phone disagrees with me, but we shall see who's the most stubborn. Here I go, again! So, my 2 cents, again: Initially, before we learnt about the 2 records thing, that didn't materialise (or did, but didn't see the light of day), I was expecting what became HFB to be more along the lines of what the collaboration with AA might have been. However, that album didn't disappoint me due to the sheer quality of the songs, that even out the unadventurous production. The only 2 songs I dislike: IIHAG (and that part due to the production itself, part due to the the cliched lyrics) and STC. That album is cohese, and makes sense as a piece of work. CY was a let down of some sorts... I was put off by that first single. The rest of the album has its heights, and some of its heights are Higher than the ones on HFB (I particularly like WTSRTS, BOTMI and TRS, and the Riverman to any extent, but I far prefer its live, current version). The big problem are its lows. And its lows are cringeworthy at Times... WKWCGB and LAD, for instance are examples of what a throwback to the 90's sound shouldn't be. Overall it sounds very uneven, like an amalgamation of songs that don't really belong together. WBTM is a different beast. It is not as out there as Noel would like you believing it is, and you can fully grasp that this is where his previous steps led him to be, but it is also a big leap foward. Thanks to Holmes' push and to Noel's willingness to be pushed. That album is just admirably joyous. Like the sound of people messing around with their influences and having a lot of fun doing it. I fully get the criticisms that the album feels short, despite that feeling kind of disappears (or it did with me) when you adjust the order of the interludes as Noel suggested himself. I personally like the interludes, the album certainly doesn't outwear its welcome, but there are no real fillers, for me, bar BAWS. Right now, I'm looking foward to both the touring band album and the new Holmes one. I think there are many ways to progress or evolve that don't necessarily imply going down the WBTM path. One thing that album could benefit from were better lyrics in places. Working with his touring band can be a great idea, they come from such different, interesting backgrounds. It's just a matter of giving them, particularly Ysée, Charlotte and Jess some breathing space and we could be in for a treat. Even if Sardy produced it (my bet would be he "just" mixed it, or produced it only partially), if the timeline we have so far is correct. Why is this so? I sense working with Holmes made Noel realise there are other, less orthodox ways of approaching music, adding to that, he was already becoming more open, and his songwriting more "porous" before Holmes. When I think of a way to summarise it, it leads me back to that interview where he stated he didn't have a guitar at home, and was writing on a bass instead. I really don't see it as being meaningless. I suppose there is a purpose behind that, maybe to help him avoid old tricks, maybe to find different structures to base the song on. I'd say it could be the sign of someone trying to evolve, and that, in itself, if true, should be applauded. |
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Post by glider on Mar 6, 2019 18:15:58 GMT -5
NGHFB is a great album of Oasis leftovers. CY is one of the most boring albums ever released and WBTM consists of 5 songs blown up to ten and then spread over 7 releases. The CY/WBTM remixes are the only tracks I regularly listen to from these two records. Go find another forum and take your Noel-hating friends with you, please. Now this is gatekeeping! |
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