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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 26, 2018 14:32:11 GMT -5
1. Whether he's an abuser or not, the shitty footage and the tabloids paint him that way. It will tarnish whatever reputation he's built in the last year. No chance of recovery. Not in our current social climate where everybody is looking for a witch to burn.
2. The next thing that will happen is #MeToo. All those sideshow girls will come out of the woodwork for their 5 minutes of fame claiming he assaulted them too, regardless if he did or not.
What a disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 14:35:47 GMT -5
I don't know what the libel law is. Does the "newspaper" have to show that it was true or just that it had good reason to believe that it was true when they published it? Because if it's the latter, I'd say that an eyewitness account and the CCTV probably has them covered.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 26, 2018 14:35:52 GMT -5
I agree it looks like he's laughing. Like he's having a good time. She doesn't seem angry either. Her body language seems relaxed.
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Post by mrose on Aug 26, 2018 14:37:32 GMT -5
Apparently there’s more to come out tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 14:39:23 GMT -5
I agree it looks like he's laughing. Like he's having a good time. She doesn't seem angry either. Her body language seems relaxed. Intimidating behaviour often consists of laughing and smirking at the victim. For the record I’m just responding to your reasoning, not commenting on the incident itself
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Post by Aman on Aug 26, 2018 14:40:34 GMT -5
I don't know what you lot are watching, but she doesn't look comfortable to me.
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Post by mostlyharmless on Aug 26, 2018 14:40:40 GMT -5
After she posted the statement on instagram, she liked a dozen comments by other users who said they don’t believe the fake news. She looks genuinely pissed by the ridiculousness of the story. If she’s only saying so for the sake of damage limitation and know it’s partly true, I doubt she would put this much effort. A lot more effort than that is needed if this is gonna end quietly. Warner press office will deal with this now, it’s too big for her. She’ll be silent. Truth will out, whatever that is. You got me wrong. What I was trying to say is, if she’s merely doing damage control, liking a few comments doesn’t add to it because it’s a very subtle gesture from a PR perspective - no one will even notice her likes except about what, 1 thousand ppl? I can only imagine she’s doing it to give a nod to those who believe her, as a human, not as a PR.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 14:41:25 GMT -5
Apparently there’s more to come out tomorrow. Oh this will run and run. The media aren’t gonna let this one drop.
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Post by mrose on Aug 26, 2018 14:42:22 GMT -5
Apparently there’s more to come out tomorrow. Oh this will run and run. The media aren’t gonna let this one drop. yeah but I just can’t imagine what else.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 26, 2018 14:44:02 GMT -5
I agree it looks like he's laughing. Like he's having a good time. She doesn't seem angry either. Her body language seems relaxed. Intimidating behaviour often consists of laughing and smirking at the victim. For the record I’m just responding to your reasoning, not commenting on the incident itself Yeah, I get that, hence why I commented on her body language. Her body language doesn't look like someone that is tense if they are being intimidated or mocked. They'd be rigid. Stiff. She's completely relaxed until the thing with the hand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 14:44:11 GMT -5
Oh this will run and run. The media aren’t gonna let this one drop. yeah but I just can’t imagine what else. That wasn’t the only cctv in the club. Maybe there’s something on her?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 14:45:02 GMT -5
Intimidating behaviour often consists of laughing and smirking at the victim. For the record I’m just responding to your reasoning, not commenting on the incident itself Yeah, I get that, hence why I commented on her body language. Her body language doesn't look like someone that would be tense if they are being intimidated or mocked. They'd be rigid. Stiff. She's completely relaxed until the thing with the hand.
She’s wasted. *disclaimer -(appears to be)
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 26, 2018 14:50:27 GMT -5
Could he be wiping something from her face and she runs into his fingers? If she's drunk, her reaction time might cause what we see.
But then why does she turn toward the wall and stand there in what appears to be shame? What's down the corridor she enters when she disappears from frame? Is it a bathroom?
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Post by Aman on Aug 26, 2018 14:52:53 GMT -5
Could he be wiping something from her face and she runs into his fingers? lol, what vid are you watching?
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Post by themanwithnoname on Aug 26, 2018 14:56:59 GMT -5
Could he be wiping something from her face and she runs into his fingers? If she's drunk, her reaction time might cause what we see. But then why does she turn toward the wall and stand there in what appears to be shame? What's down the corridor she enters when she disappears from frame? Is it a bathroom? You should be a lawyer. Your honour, my client was merely cleaning his hunting knife when the victim jumped on to the end of it. The defence rests.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 26, 2018 15:03:22 GMT -5
Could he be wiping something from her face and she runs into his fingers? If she's drunk, her reaction time might cause what we see. But then why does she turn toward the wall and stand there in what appears to be shame? What's down the corridor she enters when she disappears from frame? Is it a bathroom? You should be a lawyer. Your honour, my client was merely cleaning his hunting knife when the victim jumped on to the end of it. The defence rests. Bit of a strawman there. Not even remotely similar.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Aug 26, 2018 15:03:28 GMT -5
My theory is they were both drunk, Debbie more than Liam. She said or did something he didn't like, he stormed out. She tried to stop him in the corridor, he pushed her off him by the throat.
Debbie, rightly or wrongly, feels guilty for the negative PR that risks undoing so much of their hard work getting Liam's career back on track over one drunken fight so denies it happened.
Unfortunately, as big a fan as I am of Liam, that video is pretty damning. You have to be seriously blinkered to deny that.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 26, 2018 15:06:14 GMT -5
My theory is they were both drunk, Debbie more than Liam. She said or did something he didn't like, he stormed out. She tried to stop him in the corridor, he pushed her off him by the throat. Debbie, rightly or wrongly, feels guilty for the negative PR that risks undoing so much of their hard work getting Liam's career back on track over one drunken fight so denies it happened. Unfortunately, as big a fan as I am of Liam, that video is pretty damning. You have to be seriously blinkered to deny that. Think outside the box. What other reasons could cause what we saw?
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Post by Jgrp on Aug 26, 2018 15:13:54 GMT -5
She does look well pissed up. Hard to see past what looks like a bad move by Liam
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Post by blkc on Aug 26, 2018 15:32:44 GMT -5
My theory is they were both drunk, Debbie more than Liam. She said or did something he didn't like, he stormed out. She tried to stop him in the corridor, he pushed her off him by the throat. Debbie, rightly or wrongly, feels guilty for the negative PR that risks undoing so much of their hard work getting Liam's career back on track over one drunken fight so denies it happened. Unfortunately, as big a fan as I am of Liam, that video is pretty damning. You have to be seriously blinkered to deny that. As big of a fan as you are, you apparently just can't wait to have actual facts or proofs to make your opinion. Your theory is nothing but a theory, based on nothing but your impressions and what you think is going on. You have no idea if Debbie feels guilty or not about anything, that's just speculation. What we know is that she directly accused the Sun, and you apparently give no credit at all to her words. Apparently many don't give a fuck about what the supposed "victim" has to say, but they all claim to defend her, that's nonsense to me. In any case, she doesn't need any of you to do what she has to do, and I don't think that ignoring what she says is respecting Debbie, it's quite the opposite. I'm not blinkered by anything, I saw the video, I saw that I can't say anything for sure based on it (and no one here can, sorry). Why is there a rush to claim that Liam is guilty ? Can't you just wait to judge in all fairness ? I genuinely don't get that behaviour.
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Aug 26, 2018 15:34:59 GMT -5
Wootton has just tweeted. Ulrika Jonsson has written an article about it in tmrs Scum
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 15:44:20 GMT -5
Wootton has just tweeted. Ulrika Jonsson has written an article about it in tmrs Scum wtf does she have to do with anything, apart from actually getting punched by Stan Collymore?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 15:46:04 GMT -5
Wootton has just tweeted. Ulrika Jonsson has written an article about it in tmrs Scum wtf does she have to do with anything, apart from actually getting punched by Stan Collymore? Did I read somewhere she was assaulted by John Leslie also?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 15:51:26 GMT -5
That Dan Wootton will do his best to bury Liam. He just needed something on him and now he has it. Fat cnut.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 15:52:48 GMT -5
wtf does she have to do with anything, apart from actually getting punched by Stan Collymore? Did I read somewhere she was assaulted by John Leslie also? Complicated. She alleged a date rape in a book without naming anybody, then a z-list TV host accidentally named John Leslie live on his show. She's never confirmed it as far as I know, but several others have accused him since without ever resulting in a conviction.
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