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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Apr 23, 2018 8:26:47 GMT -5
If Noel would have just saved two B-Sides after the release of MG this is how it should have been... And I wouldnt have named it Be here now.
THE MASTERPLAN
01 D'YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
02 MY BIG MOUTH
03 STAY YOUNG
04 STAND BY ME
05 UNDERNEATH THE SKY
06 THE MASTERPLAN
07 FADE IN / OUT
08 DONT GO AWAY
09 THE FAME [Liam Vocals]
10 ITS GETTIN BETTER MAN!
11 ALL AROUND THE WORLD
01 D'YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
02 I HOPE I THINK I KNOW
03 ANGELCHILD
04 HEROES
01 STAY YOUNG
02 I GOT THE FEVER
03 MY SISTER LOVER
04 GOING NOWHERE
01 DONT GO AWAY
02 BE HERE NOW
03 FLASHBAX
04 STREET FIGHTIN MAN
01 THE MASTERPLAN
02 THE GIRL IN THE DIRTY SHIRT
03 MAGIC PIE
04 ALL AROUND THE WORLD [REPRISE]
Then the Band Split, and Oasis end their Reign bigger than Wild Stallyns
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 23, 2018 8:47:52 GMT -5
Will you be uploading any more of these by any chance? |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 23, 2018 10:38:55 GMT -5
BHN could have been bigger and better than both DM and MG and it still wouldn't have made people forget about some of the utter dreck that appeared on SOTSOG, HC, DBTT, and DOYS. What if they had simply just called it a day after BHN? The interesting thought for me is if BHN had been a critical success and especially if it had outsold the first two albums if would the "utter dreck" that followed have ever existed? It is possible it would as Noel fuelled by the ongoing accolades and success continued to put out similar sounding records with perhaps diminishing returns from the fourth LP onwards, but equally possibly that such acclaim around the time of his work with The Chemical Brothers, etc. as I wrote further up might have emboldened him to push the sound of Oasis more in the big beat direction and other new sounds. Either way I don't think the following albums would sound anything like the ones we know now. If they had called it a day after BHN and gone straight into new projects, specifically Liam and Noel here, then the level of interest in mid to late 1998 would have still been very high in the UK at least. A new band or solo projects would I think have had a large audience from the then very recent Oasis derived success, although whether or not it would have been lasting success for the new music would depend obviously on the quality of music and it's reception but they would certainly would have had a chance at launching new ventures that had a higher profile with the wider public. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Apr 23, 2018 10:46:41 GMT -5
If 8 million copies and the highest selling album of the year isn't a hit, I don't know what is.This maybe?   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 14:23:35 GMT -5
If Noel would have just saved two B-Sides after the release of MG this is how it should have been... And I wouldnt have named it Be here now. THE MASTERPLAN 01 D'YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 02 MY BIG MOUTH 03 STAY YOUNG 04 STAND BY ME 05 UNDERNEATH THE SKY 06 THE MASTERPLAN 07 FADE IN / OUT 08 DONT GO AWAY 09 THE FAME [Liam Vocals] 10 ITS GETTIN BETTER MAN! 11 ALL AROUND THE WORLD 01 D'YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 02 I HOPE I THINK I KNOW 03 ANGELCHILD 04 HEROES 01 STAY YOUNG 02 I GOT THE FEVER 03 MY SISTER LOVER 04 GOING NOWHERE 01 DONT GO AWAY 02 BE HERE NOW 03 FLASHBAX 04 STREET FIGHTIN MAN 01 THE MASTERPLAN 02 THE GIRL IN THE DIRTY SHIRT 03 MAGIC PIE 04 ALL AROUND THE WORLD [REPRISE] Then the Band Split, and Oasis end their Reign bigger than Wild Stallyns I Hope I Think I Know is not a fucking B-side!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 14:37:11 GMT -5
If Noel would have just saved two B-Sides after the release of MG this is how it should have been... And I wouldnt have named it Be here now. THE MASTERPLAN 01 D'YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 02 MY BIG MOUTH 03 STAY YOUNG 04 STAND BY ME 05 UNDERNEATH THE SKY 06 THE MASTERPLAN 07 FADE IN / OUT 08 DONT GO AWAY 09 THE FAME [Liam Vocals] 10 ITS GETTIN BETTER MAN! 11 ALL AROUND THE WORLD 01 D'YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 02 I HOPE I THINK I KNOW 03 ANGELCHILD 04 HEROES 01 STAY YOUNG 02 I GOT THE FEVER 03 MY SISTER LOVER 04 GOING NOWHERE 01 DONT GO AWAY 02 BE HERE NOW 03 FLASHBAX 04 STREET FIGHTIN MAN 01 THE MASTERPLAN 02 THE GIRL IN THE DIRTY SHIRT 03 MAGIC PIE 04 ALL AROUND THE WORLD [REPRISE] Then the Band Split, and Oasis end their Reign bigger than Wild Stallyns I Hope I Think I Know is not a fucking B-side! Hehe I also think it's one of the best on the album. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Apr 29, 2018 4:35:40 GMT -5
It didn't matter what Noel would release for the third album. The appetite for rock changed overnight when the Princess died. That single event killed all the feelgood mood and Britpop movement in the UK, and Oasis suddenly became loud, aggressive, unwanted drunks at a funeral wake.
As others have said on here, had Oasis disappeared for a few years after Knebworth, then regrouped and came back a few years later, that may have had a huge impact and made their 3rd album even bigger, but I think Oasis belonged to a certain moment, frozen in time - 1994 to 1997. Celebratory, anthemic, right at the heart of Britpop, Euro 96 and Labour's landslide victory. It was like The Beatles, Revolver and England 1966 all over again.
Unfortunately those fleeting moments of euphoria don't last forever. When you reach a peak, the only way is down. The Beatles changed dramatically during their reign, as the UK around them also changed - from poppy Beatlemania to the hippy trippy Summer of Love.
Oasis needed to change their whole ethos and sound to reflect what happened when Princess Di died, but that was never Oasis.
Personally I love BHN, far more than any other Oasis record, so I am pleased we got that third album when we did, warts and all. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2018 22:47:32 GMT -5
Oasis needed to change their whole ethos and sound to reflect what happened when Princess Di died, but that was never Oasis.. SOTSOG |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 8, 2018 0:20:35 GMT -5
I was happy with Be Here Now the first time around.
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Post by Aman on May 13, 2018 10:03:26 GMT -5
I think people are a bit too critical of Oasis on here at times. It simply would not be Oasis if they picked every track listing perfectly and released an immaculate first 3 albums. That isnt what they were. The spark was there because they did things the way they did them. Make Liam a professional musician who stayed off alcohol and drugs and did all of the US Tour and MTV Unplugged etc and played the game - would it be the Oasis you fell in love with? I'm not saying he should have done things the way he did, nor should Be Here Now have sounded the way it did, but let's not sit here rewriting history to make them corporate squares like u2 or Coldplay. Oasis are THE band in the UK that everyone wants back. They are even bigger than some of you make out on here. Their reputation will only improve as time goes and people appreciate the back catalogue for what it is. Dont worry that Magic Pie is there instead of Stay Young, or that Bonehead didnt have a bit more hair. Personally, I wouldnt change a thing. Bang on. 👌 |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Jun 12, 2018 2:10:29 GMT -5
Oasis needed to change their whole ethos and sound to reflect what happened when Princess Di died, but that was never Oasis.. SOTSOG Released 4 years too late to cash in on the downward turn. And oh yes, I almost forgot. The majority of SOTSOG is utter shit too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 12:41:36 GMT -5
I'd love to sell 8 million of anything and then be called a failure.
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Post by matt on Jun 12, 2018 17:21:19 GMT -5
Oasis needed to change their whole ethos and sound to reflect what happened when Princess Di died, but that was never Oasis.. SOTSOG It’s a mere dipping their toes in the water as opposed to a head first dive into a new ethos and sound. Some nice sounds here and there but that’s it. |
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Post by matt on Jun 12, 2018 17:53:25 GMT -5
It didn't matter what Noel would release for the third album. The appetite for rock changed overnight when the Princess died. That single event killed all the feelgood mood and Britpop movement in the UK, and Oasis suddenly became loud, aggressive, unwanted drunks at a funeral wake. As others have said on here, had Oasis disappeared for a few years after Knebworth, then regrouped and came back a few years later, that may have had a huge impact and made their 3rd album even bigger, but I think Oasis belonged to a certain moment, frozen in time - 1994 to 1997. Celebratory, anthemic, right at the heart of Britpop, Euro 96 and Labour's landslide victory. It was like The Beatles, Revolver and England 1966 all over again. Unfortunately those fleeting moments of euphoria don't last forever. When you reach a peak, the only way is down. The Beatles changed dramatically during their reign, as the UK around them also changed - from poppy Beatlemania to the hippy trippy Summer of Love. Oasis needed to change their whole ethos and sound to reflect what happened when Princess Di died, but that was never Oasis. Personally I love BHN, far more than any other Oasis record, so I am pleased we got that third album when we did, warts and all. I wouldn't have it any other way. Probably the most accurate post I’ve read on Be Here Now. When you have something so unique and perfect as those first two albums and b-sides were, and if they replicated that quality on Be Here Now, then I think some folk would still have found criticisms that would drag it down. As they say, they build you up and they drag you down. You even see that with Be Here Now - it wasn’t perfect and I’ve got no problem with it, but it was by no means the disaster that some in the music press like to hysterically claim. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t. The only way they could have avoided this was by shocking and surprising everyone - that’s the next level of artistic achievement when you’ve hit commercial and critical peaks. And I think the answer was there for Oasis - namely Setting Sun. That was a modern day Tomorrow Never Knows, just as The Beatles used contemporary methods for that song, so Noel did and should have continued doing so with the help of supremos like The Chemical Brothers. You read countless reviews of that song and how it was a trend setter, taking what might usually have been an underground electronic track into the mainstream, even Pitchfork called it the weirdest number one of the 90s. Something as harsh and abrasive as that electronic/rock sound would have suited Oasis, and more accurately, Liam’s voice down to a tee. Stay ahead of the game, surprise people - shock them even - just like anything in human nature and any form of exploration, the unfamiliar is always daunting and intimidating but you eventually adapt to it and accept it. Just imagine if Oasis had gone down this path for a full album - Setting Sun showed they had the ability. It wasn’t unnecessarily experimental -the tune was still there, but the sound was a completely different beast altogether. I also don’t agree with the assessment that had Noel saved the amazing b-sides then they would have been bigger than The Beatles, because those b-sides and the sheer volume of quality songs in a short space of time led to the hype of Be Here Now. I’m glad the band did what they did with b-sides early on. It was that kind of care free and spontaneous attitude that was so great about Oasis. Not much second thought going into it, quick turnaround of tunes, slap dash recordings - and the results were perfect. It must have been like every few months between 94 and 96 that a batch of new songs would come along. That’s proper rock n roll that, couldn’t care less about marketing or strategy down the line - just throwing out quality songs right, left and centre. Even if we don’t hear a band like peak Oasis ever again, we’ll never see any band ever do that again. That’s the authenticity that also came through their music, and none of it was contrived. It’s hard to say that about the majority of multi-million selling mainstream bands. |
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 13, 2018 19:15:38 GMT -5
I was listening to BHN tiday and was trying to figure out what were Noel's influences around that time, what he was listening to leading to BHN, it was a megalomaniac album, full of riffs, guitar solos, layers of sound and overblow production.
I think Noel was listening to Smashing pumpkins Mellon Collie and I bet he liked that idea of ambition, about doing a huge album with lots of sound.
Also I guess Led Zeppelin was in constant rotation in his music players, the eletric guitar riffs, solos, layers of guitars, DYKWIM has a very Kashimir vibe, at The time Noel see he was having fun in his guitar god mode.
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Post by Parka Flames on Jun 14, 2018 2:28:05 GMT -5
I was listening to BHN tiday and was trying to figure out what were Noel's influences around that time, what he was listening to leading to BHN, it was a megalomaniac album, full of riffs, guitar solos, layers of sound and overblow production. I think Noel was listening to Smashing pumpkins Mellon Collie and I bet he liked that idea of ambition, about doing a huge album with lots of sound. Also I guess Led Zeppelin was in constant rotation in his music players, the eletric guitar riffs, solos, layers of guitars, DYKWIM has a very Kashimir vibe, at The time Noel see he was having fun in his guitar god mode. Sort of related: is it possible to discern BHN's influence in any records that have come since? I feel like DYKWIM was Kasabian's original template. |
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