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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Feb 24, 2018 5:50:49 GMT -5
It doesn't help matters that Lisa and Molly are close to Noel and his family. The entire thing is fucked up
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Post by thatsmyattitude on Feb 24, 2018 23:39:37 GMT -5
Lisa is on record saying she would never stop Liam seeing Molly. I think Liam is fantastic in many way's and of course we don't know the whole story, but objectively speaking it doesn't sit right.
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Post by transmission on Feb 25, 2018 12:03:26 GMT -5
Liam was probably too drunk at that party to know Molly was even in the room. No one here would call Liam a saint, but he wouldn't be the first dumb (drunk) guy who's found himself sobered up in child support court. He seems like he's trying to leave the door open for his daughters if they CHOOSE to approach him. Otherwise, these two little girls are being raised by women who are obviously hostile to Liam for probably good reasons--would an olive branch be accepted if he tried to offer one? What sort of response would he get if he asked Lisa and Liza if he could come see his daughters? They would probably have a vat of boiling poison ready to throw at him as soon as he crossed the threshold. I think that if Molly and Gemma called him and wanted to meet up with him--WITHOUT their ghastly mothers with them--he would be very likely to comply. I wonder why all of the women in the situation are awful while Liam is a poor victim. I mean, fair enough, if you want to believe that the only reason Liam doesn't take anything to do with his daughter is because her mother has made things too difficult, then I can accept that. I don't agree, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility I suppose. But to suggest that this scenario has occurred *again* to Liam, with a different woman on a different continent, well that seems a stretch to me. There's a far more likely answer, which is that Liam isn't the type to really take responsibility.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 25, 2018 12:14:12 GMT -5
Liam was probably too drunk at that party to know Molly was even in the room. No one here would call Liam a saint, but he wouldn't be the first dumb (drunk) guy who's found himself sobered up in child support court. He seems like he's trying to leave the door open for his daughters if they CHOOSE to approach him. Otherwise, these two little girls are being raised by women who are obviously hostile to Liam for probably good reasons--would an olive branch be accepted if he tried to offer one? What sort of response would he get if he asked Lisa and Liza if he could come see his daughters? They would probably have a vat of boiling poison ready to throw at him as soon as he crossed the threshold. I think that if Molly and Gemma called him and wanted to meet up with him--WITHOUT their ghastly mothers with them--he would be very likely to comply. I wonder why all of the women in the situation are awful while Liam is a poor victim. I mean, fair enough, if you want to believe that the only reason Liam doesn't take anything to do with his daughter is because her mother has made things too difficult, then I can accept that. I don't agree, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility I suppose. But to suggest that this scenario has occurred *again* to Liam, with a different woman on a different continent, well that seems a stretch to me. There's a far more likely answer, which is that Liam isn't the type to really take responsibility. Who is saying Liam is a victim? Who is saying that Liam has been anything other than a total tosser to some of the women in his life? I think the vast majority are not under any illusions as to how Liam has behaved. In fairness Liam isn't either, he's admitted as much himself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 12:27:56 GMT -5
I’m not commenting on who is right and wrong; we should just remember that both daughters were from relationships of at least 2 years(even if extra-marital). Nicole became pregnant with Gene within 3 months, and even says in her book she had a false alarm earlier than that as they weren’t being careful enough. All but LM seem to stay quiet and keep dignity. Perhaps due to her growing friendship with Sara. Perhaps as the maintenance payments are to end.
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Post by Flashbax on Feb 25, 2018 14:46:10 GMT -5
transmission reminds me of some other people that used to be on this forum.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 25, 2018 20:20:00 GMT -5
transmission reminds me of some other people that used to be on this forum.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Mar 1, 2018 22:40:09 GMT -5
Liam was probably too drunk at that party to know Molly was even in the room. No one here would call Liam a saint, but he wouldn't be the first dumb (drunk) guy who's found himself sobered up in child support court. He seems like he's trying to leave the door open for his daughters if they CHOOSE to approach him. Otherwise, these two little girls are being raised by women who are obviously hostile to Liam for probably good reasons--would an olive branch be accepted if he tried to offer one? What sort of response would he get if he asked Lisa and Liza if he could come see his daughters? They would probably have a vat of boiling poison ready to throw at him as soon as he crossed the threshold. I think that if Molly and Gemma called him and wanted to meet up with him--WITHOUT their ghastly mothers with them--he would be very likely to comply. I wonder why all of the women in the situation are awful while Liam is a poor victim. I mean, fair enough, if you want to believe that the only reason Liam doesn't take anything to do with his daughter is because her mother has made things too difficult, then I can accept that. I don't agree, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility I suppose. But to suggest that this scenario has occurred *again* to Liam, with a different woman on a different continent, well that seems a stretch to me. There's a far more likely answer, which is that Liam isn't the type to really take responsibility. Liam is far from being a victim here. But neither are grown women who have certainly heard of his reputation as a wolf and a cad when it comes to his bastard children and their mothers. As for his daughters, maybe Liam isn't interested in anything female that he can't sleep with so why bother talking to his own daughters. Maybe he's just a rotten sonuvabitch. My point is that he's also a well-known serial sonuvabitch and any woman that wants a roll in the hay with him had better take her own precautions if she doesn't want to get pregnant because--clearly--he cannot be relied upon to be a gentleman fornicator. "Play with fire and expect to get burned."
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 2, 2018 2:10:41 GMT -5
I wonder why all of the women in the situation are awful while Liam is a poor victim. I mean, fair enough, if you want to believe that the only reason Liam doesn't take anything to do with his daughter is because her mother has made things too difficult, then I can accept that. I don't agree, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility I suppose. But to suggest that this scenario has occurred *again* to Liam, with a different woman on a different continent, well that seems a stretch to me. There's a far more likely answer, which is that Liam isn't the type to really take responsibility. Liam is far from being a victim here. But neither are grown women who have certainly heard of his reputation as a wolf and a cad when it comes to his bastard children and their mothers. As for his daughters, maybe Liam isn't interested in anything female that he can't sleep with so why bother talking to his own daughters. Maybe he's just a rotten sonuvabitch. My point is that he's also a well-known serial sonuvabitch and any woman that wants a roll in the hay with him had better take her own precautions if she doesn't want to get pregnant because--clearly--he cannot be relied upon to be a gentleman fornicator. "Play with fire and expect to get burned." No. That's not how it works IMO. Where a child is made, two have responsibility. It's not just the women's fault.
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Post by mimmihopps on Mar 2, 2018 4:23:35 GMT -5
I wonder why all of the women in the situation are awful while Liam is a poor victim. I mean, fair enough, if you want to believe that the only reason Liam doesn't take anything to do with his daughter is because her mother has made things too difficult, then I can accept that. I don't agree, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility I suppose. But to suggest that this scenario has occurred *again* to Liam, with a different woman on a different continent, well that seems a stretch to me. There's a far more likely answer, which is that Liam isn't the type to really take responsibility. Liam is far from being a victim here. But neither are grown women who have certainly heard of his reputation as a wolf and a cad when it comes to his bastard children and their mothers. As for his daughters, maybe Liam isn't interested in anything female that he can't sleep with so why bother talking to his own daughters. Maybe he's just a rotten sonuvabitch. My point is that he's also a well-known serial sonuvabitch and any woman that wants a roll in the hay with him had better take her own precautions if she doesn't want to get pregnant because--clearly--he cannot be relied upon to be a gentleman fornicator. "Play with fire and expect to get burned." This comment reminds me some comment by some male saying "if a woman doesn't want to get raped, she shouldn't wear a skirt" (or something like that). Anyway, people should stop chasing all drama's. It's boring and tiring.
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Post by mancraider on Mar 2, 2018 8:20:40 GMT -5
Liam is far from being a victim here. But neither are grown women who have certainly heard of his reputation as a wolf and a cad when it comes to his bastard children and their mothers. As for his daughters, maybe Liam isn't interested in anything female that he can't sleep with so why bother talking to his own daughters. Maybe he's just a rotten sonuvabitch. My point is that he's also a well-known serial sonuvabitch and any woman that wants a roll in the hay with him had better take her own precautions if she doesn't want to get pregnant because--clearly--he cannot be relied upon to be a gentleman fornicator. "Play with fire and expect to get burned." This comment reminds me some comment by some male saying "if a woman doesn't want to get raped, she shouldn't wear a skirt" (or something like that). Anyway, people should stop chasing all drama's. It's boring and tiring. while I'm in no way agreeing with the comment it is simply outrageous to imply it is in the same vein as a rapists viewpoint. There is no implication of lack of consent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 8:23:18 GMT -5
We seem to be assuming that these children were unplanned by their mothers. Assume nothing.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 2, 2018 11:39:42 GMT -5
We seem to be assuming that these children were unplanned by their mothers. Assume nothing. Does it make a difference?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Mar 2, 2018 12:27:36 GMT -5
We seem to be assuming that these children were unplanned by their mothers. Assume nothing. Does it make a difference? It would make a difference to the father I guess. And no, I'm not suggesting that his applies here.
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Mar 2, 2018 13:20:38 GMT -5
Using the word *raped* in this thread is totally out of order, totally irrelevant to what is being discussed....suggest the poster deletes their comment...
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Mar 2, 2018 13:31:15 GMT -5
This comment reminds me some comment by some male saying "if a woman doesn't want to get raped, she shouldn't wear a skirt" (or something like that). Anyway, people should stop chasing all drama's. It's boring and tiring. while I'm in no way agreeing with the comment it is simply outrageous to imply it is in the same vein as a rapists viewpoint. There is no implication of lack of consent. The word *raped* is totally out of order in this thread!! No one is talking of women in short skirts (other than the poster using the *raped* word) and no one has mentioned anything abt any women being forced upon by a man. I am disgusted the *r* word has been used at all in this thread! Wtf??
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 2, 2018 13:55:30 GMT -5
while I'm in no way agreeing with the comment it is simply outrageous to imply it is in the same vein as a rapists viewpoint. There is no implication of lack of consent. The word *raped* is totally out of order in this thread!! No one is talking of women in short skirts (other than the poster using the *raped* word) and no one has mentioned anything abt any women being forced upon by a man. I am disgusted the *r* word has been used at all in this thread! Wtf?? Take a look in the mirror. Multiple people were disgusted when you referred to another member as "a fkn twat" among other things. You regularly insult members. Also, she obviously meant this as "Both parties are responsible", as the comment she replied to basically implied that because women know what kind of person Liam is, it's their own fault for not taking anticonception, as if being a serial cheater is okay and excusable, just like being raped is apparently your own fault if you were wearing a skirt.
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Mar 2, 2018 14:11:07 GMT -5
The word *raped* is totally out of order in this thread!! No one is talking of women in short skirts (other than the poster using the *raped* word) and no one has mentioned anything abt any women being forced upon by a man. I am disgusted the *r* word has been used at all in this thread! Wtf?? Take a look in the mirror. Multiple people were disgusted when you referred to another member as "a fkn twat" among other things. You regularly insult members. Also, she obviously meant this as "Both parties are responsible", as the comment she replied to basically implied that because women know what kind of person Liam is, it's their own fault for not taking anticonception, as if being a serial cheater is okay and excusable, just like being raped is apparently your own fault if you were wearing a skirt. *multiple people were disgusted* lol...my inbox would disagree with that...but anyway...i might be many things according to you i dont giv a rats armpit abt your opinion. I stand by what i said...
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Post by mancraider on Mar 2, 2018 14:13:45 GMT -5
The word *raped* is totally out of order in this thread!! No one is talking of women in short skirts (other than the poster using the *raped* word) and no one has mentioned anything abt any women being forced upon by a man. I am disgusted the *r* word has been used at all in this thread! Wtf?? Take a look in the mirror. Multiple people were disgusted when you referred to another member as "a fkn twat" among other things. You regularly insult members. Also, she obviously meant this as "Both parties are responsible", as the comment she replied to basically implied that because women know what kind of person Liam is, it's their own fault for not taking anticonception, as if being a serial cheater is okay and excusable, just like being raped is apparently your own fault if you were wearing a skirt. did she obviously? Look at you tying yourself up in knots trying to justify it. Any point of view surrounding responsibility for birth control, whether I agree with it or not, between consenting adults is not comparable with rape. And that's what was suggested.
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Post by Tongueless Ghost Of Sin on Mar 2, 2018 14:25:12 GMT -5
How exactly is being raped by some psycho the same as choosing to sleep with a promiscuous rockstar and suffering consequences? All the people Liam had a 'fling' with were consenting adults who had choices, they weren't forced in any way to sleep with the sleezy rockstar.
They knew exactly what they were getting into and it's just as much their fault as Liams. No more, no less.
This is a group of promiscuous idiots doing stupid, impulsive things. Let's not demonise or exonerate anyone because of what fucking set of genitals they have. Fuck sake, what the fuck is wrong with people?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 14:30:09 GMT -5
How exactly is being raped by some psycho the same as choosing to sleep with a promiscuous rockstar and suffering consequences? All the people Liam had a 'fling' with were consenting adults who had choices, they weren't forced in any way to sleep with the sleezy rockstar. They knew exactly what they were getting into and it's just as much their fault as Liams. No more, no less. This is a group of promiscuous idiots doing stupid, impulsive things. Let's not demonise or exonerate anyone because of what fucking set of genitals they have. Fuck sake, what the fuck is wrong with people? Agreed with all of this apart from suffering consequences bit. Maybe it’s exactly what these women wanted and planned. Neither of them were one nighters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 14:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by Tongueless Ghost Of Sin on Mar 2, 2018 15:21:07 GMT -5
How exactly is being raped by some psycho the same as choosing to sleep with a promiscuous rockstar and suffering consequences? All the people Liam had a 'fling' with were consenting adults who had choices, they weren't forced in any way to sleep with the sleezy rockstar. They knew exactly what they were getting into and it's just as much their fault as Liams. No more, no less. This is a group of promiscuous idiots doing stupid, impulsive things. Let's not demonise or exonerate anyone because of what fucking set of genitals they have. Fuck sake, what the fuck is wrong with people? Agreed with all of this apart from suffering consequences bit. Maybe it’s exactly what these women wanted and planned. Neither of them were one nighters. Suffering was bad wording. So was 'consequences' actually considering there are human lives involved. Despite my inelegant use of language the point remains the same. Liam knew what he was doing so deserves the shit that heads his way for it. I believe the people he slept with are just as bad. Calling these people out for that is a million light years away from blaming rape victims for 'brining it upon themselves'. This'll be really unpopular I bet but imo feminists are just the opposite side of the coin to MRA activists. Put people in groups based off of how they were born, the worst from each group speaks for all of them, if the most successful/luckiest members from one group have historically held superiority then all members of that group have an obligation to be judged by a double standard and all those in the historically oppressed group are inculpable for their actions etc etc yap yap yap. Fuck the world nowadays.
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Post by ricardogce on Mar 2, 2018 19:02:54 GMT -5
The word *raped* is totally out of order in this thread!! No one is talking of women in short skirts (other than the poster using the *raped* word) and no one has mentioned anything abt any women being forced upon by a man. I am disgusted the *r* word has been used at all in this thread! Wtf?? Also, she obviously meant this as "Both parties are responsible", as the comment she replied to basically implied that because women know what kind of person Liam is, it's their own fault for not taking anticonception, as if being a serial cheater is okay and excusable, just like being raped is apparently your own fault if you were wearing a skirt. Both people are responsible in the course of a consensual fuck, yes. The rape comparison is completely insulting as well as a poor attempt at manipulating the narrative.
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Post by eva on Mar 2, 2018 19:42:05 GMT -5
FFS people! No one said he raped this women. Why are you trying to manipulate the meaning of that post?? Obviously refering to blaming the woman for whatever happened
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