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Post by crisppacket on Feb 17, 2018 6:10:55 GMT -5
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Post by ricardogce on Feb 18, 2018 17:22:05 GMT -5
And that's why I love this man.
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Post by transmission on Feb 21, 2018 7:50:39 GMT -5
Fucking hell, imagine having to read your dad tell a newspaper that he's never had any interaction with you during your life because he's "never got around to it".
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Post by Rolo on Feb 21, 2018 7:54:54 GMT -5
Fucking hell, imagine having to read your dad tell a newspaper that he's never had any interaction with you during your life because he's "never got around to it". There's obviously a lot more to it than that.
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Post by transmission on Feb 21, 2018 8:30:54 GMT -5
Well if he wanted to he could have. The fact that he has two children he's never met reflects really badly on him imo.
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Post by philko87 on Feb 21, 2018 8:50:12 GMT -5
As much as I try not to judge people on their personal lives, Liam’s positioning as some sort of salt of the earth family man leaves a sour taste.
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Post by Jack on Feb 21, 2018 12:09:40 GMT -5
Liam has both good and bad personality traits, just like everyone else in this world. From my point of view, he has more good than bad ones, and seems a lot more likable and kind-hearted person since his return. As long as he's not committing actual serious crimes, or harming anyone, his personal life is of no concern to me.
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Post by shinpad on Feb 21, 2018 14:00:07 GMT -5
Children with parents who are not together can be a very, VERY difficult thing for all parties to navigate.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Feb 22, 2018 17:43:44 GMT -5
I think the MOTHERS of Molly and Gemma have a LOT to do with this situation.
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Post by andymorris on Feb 23, 2018 7:58:29 GMT -5
I think the MOTHERS of Molly and Gemma have a LOT to do with this situation. Except unless a court ruled that Liam cant see them, he can... and he chooses not to. In this situation, it's not the child who has to take action "to see" the father, it's the father. It's too easy to forget to wear a condom and then get away with sentences like that. He's all to blame really
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Post by mancraider on Feb 23, 2018 8:57:21 GMT -5
I think the MOTHERS of Molly and Gemma have a LOT to do with this situation. Except unless a court ruled that Liam cant see them, he can... and he chooses not to. In this situation, it's not the child who has to take action "to see" the father, it's the father. It's too easy to forget to wear a condom and then get away with sentences like that. He's all to blame really as a father with recent experience of family court in the UK I have to say I can't agree with that, if your facing a hostile mother then you have no chance. My ex made false allegations against me that were proved to be false and thrown out by the court but they then turned round and refused to take any action against her because it 'wouldn't be in the child's best interest'and gave her full custody anyway. I had to give up because it was putting to much strain on my relationship with my new partner who I also had a child with. I was basically forced to choose between my two children because of my ex behaviour. I probably wouldn't have said this a few years ago but tbh if the relationship between Liam and the girls mother is as bad as reported then I wouldn't blame him in the slightest for walking away. Two parents at war only causes turmoil in a child's life. And you say it's up to the father to initiate contact but why? If the girl has grown up not having him in her life I would think she's entitled to make the decision about whether that changes when she is ready. He has said a few times that he would welcome her if she wanted to so it's not as if he is hostile to the idea and would slam the door in her face. In fact no one even knows whether he has tried in the past and been rebuffed. He might just be saying what he hasnt bothered in public because its easier than explaining the ins and outs of what is essentially a private matter. It's not as if he's ever cared about other people thinking he's bit of a vagina.
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Post by Marcos on Feb 23, 2018 11:03:12 GMT -5
Liam has another child named Gemma? Had no idea of that.
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Post by DCUnited on Feb 23, 2018 11:11:10 GMT -5
Liam has another child named Gemma? Had no idea of that. The mother is the New York Post journalist, its what cost him his divorce from Nicole
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Post by neila83 on Feb 23, 2018 11:45:13 GMT -5
The excuses people will make for Liam are quite mind-boggling.
And then the same people call Anais, a teenage girl, stupid for one lighthearted comment because it was directed at their dear precious Liam.
Guys, Noel's a dick, Liam's a dick. Liam does have better PR though, not surprising as he's on a major label (but yeh he doesn't care about selling records!). Some of you are really, really gullible.
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Post by mancraider on Feb 23, 2018 12:56:08 GMT -5
The excuses people will make for Liam are quite mind-boggling. And then the same people call Anais, a teenage girl, stupid for one lighthearted comment because it was directed at their dear precious Liam. Guys, Noel's a dick, Liam's a dick. Liam does have better PR though, not surprising as he's on a major label (but yeh he doesn't care about selling records!). Some of you are really, really gullible. is that in response to my post?
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Post by neila83 on Feb 23, 2018 13:10:50 GMT -5
The excuses people will make for Liam are quite mind-boggling. And then the same people call Anais, a teenage girl, stupid for one lighthearted comment because it was directed at their dear precious Liam. Guys, Noel's a dick, Liam's a dick. Liam does have better PR though, not surprising as he's on a major label (but yeh he doesn't care about selling records!). Some of you are really, really gullible. is that in response to my post? No, it's a general observation of this forum in general. I find the sainthood of Liam very very bizarre, and especially the abuse of anyone who gives some of his vitriol back. The guy has hurt a lot of people in his time, and rants about his mean old brother don't particularly wash with me. Liam seems utterly incapable of accepting any responsibility for Oasis' downfall. Which is a normal enough and fairly obvious psychological reaction, I've done the same after break ups - heaping all the blame onto the other person to assuage my guilt at whatever I did wrong. It's blindingly obvious that's what he's doing - he knows the blew the best thing he ever had.
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Post by Flashbax on Feb 23, 2018 13:52:42 GMT -5
is that in response to my post? No, it's a general observation of this forum in general. I find the sainthood of Liam very very bizarre, and especially the abuse of anyone who gives some of his vitriol back. The guy has hurt a lot of people in his time, and rants about his mean old brother don't particularly wash with me. Liam seems utterly incapable of accepting any responsibility for Oasis' downfall. Which is a normal enough and fairly obvious psychological reaction, I've done the same after break ups - heaping all the blame onto the other person to assuage my guilt at whatever I did wrong. It's blindingly obvious that's what he's doing - he knows the blew the best thing he ever had. Liam accepts his responsibility for Oasis' downfall. He is just going in the counter attack against Noel because he threw him under the bus for being the only one responsible for Oasis' split. He knows Oasis is the best thing he ever had and he loved it more than anything else.
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Feb 23, 2018 14:02:07 GMT -5
Who is selling more tickets at the mo? Anyone know?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 14:48:04 GMT -5
The thing with Liam is that he sounds very apologetic and contrite about his mistakes but actions speak louder than words. Time will tell whether he's actually grown up or he treats Debbie like he has every other woman in his life.
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Post by mancraider on Feb 23, 2018 14:48:20 GMT -5
is that in response to my post? No, it's a general observation of this forum in general. I find the sainthood of Liam very very bizarre, and especially the abuse of anyone who gives some of his vitriol back. The guy has hurt a lot of people in his time, and rants about his mean old brother don't particularly wash with me. Liam seems utterly incapable of accepting any responsibility for Oasis' downfall. Which is a normal enough and fairly obvious psychological reaction, I've done the same after break ups - heaping all the blame onto the other person to assuage my guilt at whatever I did wrong. It's blindingly obvious that's what he's doing - he knows the blew the best thing he ever had. fair enough, just checking before I went to the trouble of answering your points. I was mainly taking issue with the opinion about how it was only down to Liam whether he contacted the girl. Having had experience of it as both a parent and a child I'd say he had far less power over this situation then people who see it as black and white seem to presume. The only people who know the truth are Liam and his close family. There is certainly enough doubt to imagine he is being unreasonable if that's the way you are inclined but in reality no one posting on here knows enough to be sure what's happened. Noel and Sara and her mother may have used pictures of her to publicly shame Liam but I'd question whether that was for Molly's benifit or theirs. She may be Noel's neice but she is also Peggy s granddaughter and Gene and Lennons half sister. The situation is far from clear cut to me. As for your other assertions, well your insight is astonishing.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 23, 2018 15:01:42 GMT -5
The excuses people will make for Liam are quite mind-boggling. And then the same people call Anais, a teenage girl, stupid for one lighthearted comment because it was directed at their dear precious Liam. Guys, Noel's a dick, Liam's a dick. Liam does have better PR though, not surprising as he's on a major label (but yeh he doesn't care about selling records!). Some of you are really, really gullible. Not sure someone giving their own experience of court in a similar situation is a mind-boggling excuse. There hasn't even been a full page of responses so its hardly a multitude of people attempting to exonerate him. You can keep kidding yourself that its better PR but ultimately the reason people are more drawn to Liam is Liam himself and the straight forward answers he gives to straight forward questions. There's no team making that happen. There is no sainthood, no cult that's an invention by you to validate your horror and surprise at the amount of people who think he is a funny, warm half decent lad.
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Post by jxing on Feb 23, 2018 21:02:01 GMT -5
I have no clue as to what goes on behind closed doors in liams private life and I definitely don't think he's a saint. I do think that just like most people, his life is extremely complicated and might not be as black and white as the press makes it. In regards to his daughter with lisa moorish, I believe there's much more to the story than Liam not wanting to see Molly. I do think it's important to also remember that Lisa moorish was with Pete very soon as Molly was born and we all know about his drug of choice so it's possible that could have played a role in the breakdown of his relationship with molly. I'm by no means excusing his decision or lack of parenting, but I am saying that there is definitely more to it than Liam just being a shitty dad. For instance, Lisa made this interesting comment in regards to this article... I never realized that they "actually" dated.. I was always under the impression that it was an on/off fling. Again, only they know the truth.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Feb 23, 2018 22:23:59 GMT -5
Liam was probably too drunk at that party to know Molly was even in the room. No one here would call Liam a saint, but he wouldn't be the first dumb (drunk) guy who's found himself sobered up in child support court. He seems like he's trying to leave the door open for his daughters if they CHOOSE to approach him. Otherwise, these two little girls are being raised by women who are obviously hostile to Liam for probably good reasons--would an olive branch be accepted if he tried to offer one? What sort of response would he get if he asked Lisa and Liza if he could come see his daughters? They would probably have a vat of boiling poison ready to throw at him as soon as he crossed the threshold. I think that if Molly and Gemma called him and wanted to meet up with him--WITHOUT their ghastly mothers with them--he would be very likely to comply.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 24, 2018 2:36:40 GMT -5
Yawn. Unbelievable.
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Post by janedoe on Feb 24, 2018 3:02:33 GMT -5
Liam was probably too drunk at that party to know Molly was even in the room. No one here would call Liam a saint, but he wouldn't be the first dumb (drunk) guy who's found himself sobered up in child support court. He seems like he's trying to leave the door open for his daughters if they CHOOSE to approach him. Otherwise, these two little girls are being raised by women who are obviously hostile to Liam for probably good reasons--would an olive branch be accepted if he tried to offer one? What sort of response would he get if he asked Lisa and Liza if he could come see his daughters? They would probably have a vat of boiling poison ready to throw at him as soon as he crossed the threshold. I think that if Molly and Gemma called him and wanted to meet up with him--WITHOUT their ghastly mothers with them--he would be very likely to comply. Agree. I cannot see how Liam can approach his daughters without involving their mothers.
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