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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 16, 2018 5:38:31 GMT -5
I wonder if London’s Mayor, Khan, would approve flying a blimp of Mohammed over the city? Pathetic, really. Not remotely the same thing, a trump balloon doesn’t needlessly offend millions of people. Was it childish? Sure but it’s just a balloon, he’ll get over it someday. Maybe. Personally I feel this protest was just a big display of self indulgence, people acting like they’re “woke” or activist heroes because they went to a big gathering. Just doing it so they can take pictures of themselves doing it rather than genuinely being outraged. Literally everyone thinks trump is a vagina, it’s not a unique or edgy viewpoint. And I don’t understand what the objective was, expecting Theresa May to turn around to be like “huh, lots of people don’t like this guy so let me and show him the door and eliminate UK/US relations” Delusional. As stated in the tweet, there’s other issues in the country currently that one could protest about, but I guess that isn’t as trendy for these faux civil warriors My bad for the rant, only the first part was directed at you, just bored of seeing people patting themselves on the back over the whole thing on twitter and the like There is definitely an element of self congratulation with some protesters and it is cringe inducing but for the most part I think people were out to protest for contiencious reasons. Why the size of the protest? Probably because one of the most well known and powerful men in the world representing the country who we have been most closely tied too over the last few decades has exihibited racism, sexism, corruption and a lack of compassion in general. Such is his position he will always be a bigger draw. Oh and he really is just a bellend.
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Post by matt on Jul 16, 2018 14:40:02 GMT -5
Trump and Putin in the same room together. An assassin with one bullet would have a really tough choice there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 14:47:37 GMT -5
Trump and Putin in the same room together. An assassin with one bullet would have a really tough choice there. Not really, guessing if an assassin were to take a choice between the two of them, then the likely ensuing sequence of events triggered by the apparent murder of Putin by Trump/Trump by Putin would likely be several orders of magnitude worse than the current situation. Obvious choice imo with that in mind is neither.
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Post by matt on Jul 16, 2018 14:49:24 GMT -5
Not remotely the same thing, a trump balloon doesn’t needlessly offend millions of people. Was it childish? Sure but it’s just a balloon, he’ll get over it someday. Maybe. Personally I feel this protest was just a big display of self indulgence, people acting like they’re “woke” or activist heroes because they went to a big gathering. Just doing it so they can take pictures of themselves doing it rather than genuinely being outraged. Literally everyone thinks trump is a vagina, it’s not a unique or edgy viewpoint. And I don’t understand what the objective was, expecting Theresa May to turn around to be like “huh, lots of people don’t like this guy so let me and show him the door and eliminate UK/US relations” Delusional. As stated in the tweet, there’s other issues in the country currently that one could protest about, but I guess that isn’t as trendy for these faux civil warriors My bad for the rant, only the first part was directed at you, just bored of seeing people patting themselves on the back over the whole thing on twitter and the like There is definitely an element of self congratulation with some protesters and it is cringe inducing but for the most part I think people were out to protest for contiencious reasons. Why the size of the protest? Probably because one of the most well known and powerful men in the world representing the country who we have been most closely tied too over the last few decades has exihibited racism, sexism, corruption and a lack of compassion in general. Such is his position he will always be a bigger draw. Oh and he really is just a bellend. This. Trump is the symbol of Western decadence and too damn right people should be protesting his visit. For all it’s massive massive problems, I’d still prefer to live in the U.K. rather than Russia or China or many of the tinpot dictatorships that blight South America so we’ve got to defend the rights we currently have before cancerous fascist scum like Trump or Farage really spread and take a hold of the country. An acceptance of Trump is the height of irresponsibility as he threatens liberal values that we thought were second nature to us in the UK. The whole ‘virtue signalling’ is the stock answer for the unthinking Trump twat supporters. People feel insecure in this country as they slowly see the degradation of public life spearheaded by your Trumps, Farages, Murdochs, etc and led insipidly by the worst government in modern times.
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Post by matt on Jul 16, 2018 14:53:29 GMT -5
Great observation. False outrage is all too real I wonder if London’s Mayor, Khan, would approve flying a blimp of Mohammed over the city? Pathetic, really. Fuck knows what logic you are using to come to that comparison... Find it hard to believe that you support Trump, a man who pisses on underage girls. Stay classy pal.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 17, 2018 4:55:02 GMT -5
God bless Sacha Baron Cohen.
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Post by globe on Jul 17, 2018 16:30:03 GMT -5
I see Trump is saying he said the wrong word when he was standing next to Putin yesterday.
Aye ok then Donald mate. Fucking liar. A complete shite bag.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 17, 2018 16:37:41 GMT -5
I see Trump is saying he said the wrong word when he was standing next to Putin yesterday. Aye ok then Donald mate. Fucking liar. A complete shite bag. He threw this country under the bus on foreign soil in front of a tyrannical political enemy. I never want to hear Trump and the term, " strong foreign policy" in the same sentence again. The guy is a buffoon and puppet and anyone who denies it at this point is a bigger idiot than him.
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Post by matt on Jul 17, 2018 18:00:10 GMT -5
Beady’s Here Now, Putins lapdog, that’s yer man right there. Your heroes such as Reagan must be spinning in their graves surely? And what about Romney and Bush? I’m fascinated to hear what you think about their attitudes on Russia and whether you still agree with them.
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Post by batfink30 on Jul 17, 2018 19:03:56 GMT -5
It's true....
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Post by jordan71421 on Jul 18, 2018 8:37:39 GMT -5
Even if someone is not a complete Trump hater, and can recognize when him/his administration make a false move, they’ll still be lambasted for finding any positives in him. That’s why so many people don’t take the radical anti-Trump people seriously.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 18, 2018 10:20:24 GMT -5
Even if someone is not a complete Trump hater, and can recognize when him/his administration make a false move, they’ll still be lambasted for finding any positives in him. That’s why so many people don’t take the radical anti-Trump people seriously. A few American right-wingers who's only political thought is to oppose the elusive, all-encompassing "liberal".Normal people.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 18, 2018 10:36:16 GMT -5
Even if someone is not a complete Trump hater, and can recognize when him/his administration make a false move, they’ll still be lambasted for finding any positives in him. That’s why so many people don’t take the radical anti-Trump people seriously. American right-wingers who's only political thought is to oppose the elusive, all-encompassing "liberal".Normal people.Excellent summary.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jul 18, 2018 11:35:49 GMT -5
Even if someone is not a complete Trump hater, and can recognize when him/his administration make a false move, they’ll still be lambasted for finding any positives in him. That’s why so many people don’t take the radical anti-Trump people seriously. American right-wingers who's only political thought is to oppose the elusive, all-encompassing "liberal".Normal people.“Normal people” is such a self righteous why of describing them
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 18, 2018 12:18:50 GMT -5
There is definitely an element of self congratulation with some protesters and it is cringe inducing but for the most part I think people were out to protest for contiencious reasons. Why the size of the protest? Probably because one of the most well known and powerful men in the world representing the country who we have been most closely tied too over the last few decades has exihibited racism, sexism, corruption and a lack of compassion in general. Such is his position he will always be a bigger draw. Oh and he really is just a bellend. The whole ‘virtue signalling’ is the stock answer for the unthinking Trump twat supporters. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist though. Three decades on, Thatcher and Reagan's neoliberal agenda remains basically unchallenged at the level of government, with conservative governments in place across much of the West; and, if anything, we only seem to be moving further Right, with the election of Trump, Brexit, and near misses with potentially fascistic leaders in France and the Netherlands. The Left and Centre needs to take on board criticism--however juvenile it may seem--about the way it conducts itself, make the necessary changes, and move forward, so that we might have a chance of actually changing policy, rather than just squabbling about matters of social justice on the internet. That's what I think, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 12:29:04 GMT -5
Even if someone is not a complete Trump hater, and can recognize when him/his administration make a false move, they’ll still be lambasted for finding any positives in him. That’s why so many people don’t take the radical anti-Trump people seriously. American right-wingers who's only political thought is to oppose the elusive, all-encompassing "liberal".Normal people.I don't know how much this achieves, I guess is unlikely to make anyone engage with the other side's opinion. Designating one side 'normal' and the opposing side as only having one contrarian political thought isn't likely imo to make anyone change their stance (if anything, I'd guess it'd only harden ingrained thoughts on both sides). And if it did change someone's stance, fear of not being 'normal' or desire to not be 'normal' imo aren't good reasons to change.
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Post by matt on Jul 18, 2018 14:22:48 GMT -5
The whole ‘virtue signalling’ is the stock answer for the unthinking Trump twat supporters. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist though. Three decades on, Thatcher and Reagan's neoliberal agenda remains basically unchallenged at the level of government, with conservative governments in place across much of the West; and, if anything, we only seem to be moving further Right, with the election of Trump, Brexit, and near misses with potentially fascistic leaders in France and the Netherlands. The Left and Centre needs to take on board criticism--however juvenile it may seem--about the way it conducts itself, make the necessary changes, and move forward, so that we might have a chance of actually changing policy, rather than just squabbling about matters of social justice on the internet. That's what I think, anyway. I’m not denying it exists, but it’s narrow minded of those Trump supporters to say that all opponents are left wing virtue signallers (see the as ever pathetic Daily Mail headline). Haters of Trump encompass those on the left and right (okay, more accurately centre-right), not just the ignorant narrow minded right wing view that all his opponents raging communists. The Trump concept is however something quite threatening and ambiguous to many, and that uncertainty prompts fear - many people have their own reasons why they feel threatened by him. I admit, at the heart of it is the individual and putting ourselves and our own concerns first. That’s going to appeal to many to protest against. But that’s not to say I don’t agree with the assumption as to why the mass don’t put in the same effort towards homelessness or social housing. These are very specific matters, and maybe the tragedy of the modern world is that while people can sympathise with such plights, we don’t empathise enough anymore which would really prompt us to protest. These matters relate to other people with other experiences alien to many - so while someone may be affected by Trump to their own values, the idea of homelessness doesn’t directly relate to them, and thus they are not as emotionally driven because it’s not explicitly personal. It should be personal, because we should be more empathetic - that’s the ideal world and I believe in the past we were more like this. But that’s the result of an uber neoliberal world where the individual is put ahead of community and society in general, a corrupt ideology pushed by the likes of someone as heartless and cold like Thatcher who believed there was ‘no such thing as society’. So yes maybe there is an argument that while we can protest against Trump, perhaps we ought to get our house in order first and mass protest against specific social matters, not just rebelling against destructive government policy that blights the country but also preaching the need for community and kinship. These qualities and structures in public life have been lost in the U.K. ever since the wholesale destruction of local communities and identity by Thatcher.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 18, 2018 14:45:42 GMT -5
American right-wingers who's only political thought is to oppose the elusive, all-encompassing "liberal".Normal people. I don't know how much this achieves, I guess is unlikely to make anyone engage with the other side's opinion. Designating one side 'normal' and the opposing side as only having one contrarian political thought isn't likely imo to make anyone change their stance (if anything, I'd guess it'd only harden ingrained thoughts on both sides). And if it did change someone's stance, fear of not being 'normal' or desire to not be 'normal' imo aren't good reasons to change. We’re not talking about being left or right, in which case you’d be correct. We’re talking about being anti-Trump. Being conservative in your economic and social views in one thing - not opposing a senile, climate-change-denying, racist, mysoginistic, unqualified, lying, entitled idiot being the most important politician in the world is entirely another. As far as I’m concerned that’s not, and never should be, normal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 15:04:20 GMT -5
I don't know how much this achieves, I guess is unlikely to make anyone engage with the other side's opinion. Designating one side 'normal' and the opposing side as only having one contrarian political thought isn't likely imo to make anyone change their stance (if anything, I'd guess it'd only harden ingrained thoughts on both sides). And if it did change someone's stance, fear of not being 'normal' or desire to not be 'normal' imo aren't good reasons to change. We’re not talking about being left or right, in which case you’d be correct. We’re talking about being anti-Trump. Being conservative in your economic and social views in one thing - not opposing a senile, climate-change-denying, racist, mysoginistic, unqualified, lying, entitled idiot being the most important politician in the world is entirely another. As far as I’m concerned that’s not, and never should be, normal. Personally I agree that I'd dislike seeing the normalisation of much of what Trump stands for. However, in order to prevent that, it would be necessary to convince a number of people of the opposite opinion to change that standpoint, and directly calling them not 'normal' (or anything else that tends more towards the inflammatory than the objectively factual), is extremely unlikely to be productive in achieving that aim (much more likely would be counterproductive).
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Post by batfink30 on Jul 18, 2018 15:45:07 GMT -5
This is absolutely shocking....
Is Trump considering handing a former US ambassador to Russia over to Putin?!
WTAF?!
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 18, 2018 15:54:12 GMT -5
Even if someone is not a complete Trump hater, and can recognize when him/his administration make a false move, they’ll still be lambasted for finding any positives in him. That’s why so many people don’t take the radical anti-Trump people seriously. Ahhhhh so rather than address what he said to Putin just fall back back on how hard done by he is by all these radical people. That’s as clearer sign as any that he fucked up.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 18, 2018 16:05:56 GMT -5
We’re not talking about being left or right, in which case you’d be correct. We’re talking about being anti-Trump. Being conservative in your economic and social views in one thing - not opposing a senile, climate-change-denying, racist, mysoginistic, unqualified, lying, entitled idiot being the most important politician in the world is entirely another. As far as I’m concerned that’s not, and never should be, normal. Personally I agree that I'd dislike seeing the normalisation of much of what Trump stands for. However, in order to prevent that, it would be necessary to convince a number of people of the opposite opinion to change that standpoint, and directly calling them not 'normal' (or anything else that tends more towards the inflammatory than the objectively factual), is extremely unlikely to be productive in achieving that aim (much more likely would be counterproductive). To be fair though, how could they possibly be convinced? Because we're not just talking about people who voted for Trump(some of which later regretted it, being convinced he didn't give a shit about their problems), we're talking about people who STILL believe in him and his ideas. If they haven't been convinced yet, when will they? Do they even have any intrest in changing their minds? I think the answer is no, and then debating with them seems rather pointless to be honest.
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Post by crisppacket on Jul 18, 2018 16:44:23 GMT -5
Thoughts and Prayers to all suffering with this disease
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Post by jordan71421 on Jul 18, 2018 17:30:03 GMT -5
Even if someone is not a complete Trump hater, and can recognize when him/his administration make a false move, they’ll still be lambasted for finding any positives in him. That’s why so many people don’t take the radical anti-Trump people seriously. Ahhhhh so rather than address what he said to Putin just fall back back on how hard done by he is by all these radical people. That’s as clearer sign as any that he fucked up. How does this response have anything to do with what I said?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 18, 2018 17:41:09 GMT -5
Ahhhhh so rather than address what he said to Putin just fall back back on how hard done by he is by all these radical people. That’s as clearer sign as any that he fucked up. How does this response have anything to do with what I said? How does your response have anything to do with what Trump said? What is your opinion on the Helsinki meeting?
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