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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 20:27:31 GMT -5
Who Put the Weight of the World On My Shoulders (The Masterplan Part 2)
Today marks the 17th anniversary of the excellent B-Side compilation The Masterplan release. For a long time, I have thought the band should release a second set of B-Sides from the new millennium releases. Would be a perfect time in spring as the reunion rumors will be in full force with Rock Hall election talk and Liam summer shows taking over center stage. Here are the songs I'd like to see.
Amazingly, these songs are not available (save a tiny fraction) in any US release.
1) Lets All Make Believe
2) Shout It Loud
3) Pass Me Down the Wine
4) One Way Road
5) Eyeball Tickler
6) Boy With the Blues
7) Sittin' Here in Silence (On My Own)
8) Lord Don't Slow Me Down (Liam Vocal)
9) The Quiet Ones or Won't Let You Down
10) Idlers Dream
11) Thank You For the Good Times
12) Who Put the Weight of the World on My Shoulders
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 3, 2017 21:39:06 GMT -5
If 'the Masterplan' hadn't been released as an album I very likely would never have become the Oasis fan I am today. I'd probably be one of those people who had the first 3 albums then donated them to a second hand shop in 1999 after losing interest. The Masterplan album took me from fan to (probably) obsessive Oasis trainspotter.
I don't think there would be a point in released a Masterplan part 2 album, for a number of reasons: interest level, the liam/noel vocals ratio is off, etc. But here's the ones I like best:
Let's all Make Believe
Carry Us All
Idler's Dream
Shout it Out Loud
You've Got the Heart of a Star
Thank you for the good times
Eyeball Tickler
I Believe in all
Record Machine (DBTT version)
Can You See it now?
I liked a good few of the DOYS remixes like the TBWTL Richard Fearless one and the Twiggy IOT, both of which should have made the cut over the ones that made the album.
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 22:14:39 GMT -5
If 'the Masterplan' hadn't been released as an album I very likely would never have become the Oasis fan I am today. I'd probably be one of those people who had the first 3 albums then donated them to a second hand shop in 1999 after losing interest. The Masterplan album took me from fan to (probably) obsessive Oasis trainspotter. I don't think there would be a point in released a Masterplan part 2 album, for a number of reasons: interest level, the liam/noel vocals ratio is off, etc. But here's the ones I like best: Let's all Make Believe Carry Us All Idler's Dream Shout it Out Loud You've Got the Heart of a Star Thank you for the good times Eyeball Tickler I Believe in all Record Machine (DBTT version) Can You See it now? I liked a good few of the DOYS remixes like the TBWTL Richard Fearless one and the Twiggy IOT, both of which should have made the cut over the ones that made the album. I was just going to add I forgot I Believe In All. The thing is that without a US release these songs aren't on streaming things which is really backwards. I can always find them on YouTube but there should be a way to stream them whenever I have the need. Sadly, I owned nearly all these tracks at one time but my record collection is a hot mess lol |
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Post by matt on Nov 3, 2017 22:35:21 GMT -5
Incidentally, what's everyone's thoughts on Who Put The Weight of the World?
Loved it initially ten years ago when I first heard it, then I thought it was dreary. But I listened to it again after a very very long time, and I like it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 3, 2017 22:52:23 GMT -5
in the year 2017 there is absolutely no need for a Masterplan Part 2. the material isn't as strong and you can just download those "b-sides" on iTunes or just stream on Spotify. Masterplan is unique because it is also product of the times.
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 23:02:52 GMT -5
in the year 2017 there is absolutely no need for a Masterplan Part 2. the material isn't as strong and you can just download those "b-sides" on iTunes or just stream on Spotify. Masterplan is unique because it is also product of the times. Therein lies the problem. Songs are not on streaming services as they have never being properly released. Leaves a huge void that should be filled so fans have access to the material. I mean, really, Oasis should just batch release every one of their songs in some form. A song as high quality as Whatever was only released after the Definitely Maybe reissue a few years back. That is pretty f'd up. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 3, 2017 23:06:10 GMT -5
in the year 2017 there is absolutely no need for a Masterplan Part 2. the material isn't as strong and you can just download those "b-sides" on iTunes or just stream on Spotify. Masterplan is unique because it is also product of the times. Therein lies the problem. Songs are not on streaming services as they have never being properly released. Leaves a huge void that should be filled so fans have access to the material. I mean, really, Oasis should just batch release every one of their songs in some form. A song as high quality as Whatever has only released after the Definitely Maybe reissue a few years back. That is pretty f'd up. It was also on Time Flies which was widely available for like 6-7 years now. |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 23:10:56 GMT -5
Therein lies the problem. Songs are not on streaming services as they have never being properly released. Leaves a huge void that should be filled so fans have access to the material. I mean, really, Oasis should just batch release every one of their songs in some form. A song as high quality as Whatever has only released after the Definitely Maybe reissue a few years back. That is pretty f'd up. It was also on Time Flies which was widely available for like 6-7 years now. The actual year doesn't matter to my broader point. There are dozens of high quality songs that are basically in no mans land in a huge market place. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 14:04:18 GMT -5
It was also on Time Flies which was widely available for like 6-7 years now. The actual year doesn't matter to my broader point. There are dozens of high quality songs that are basically in no mans land in a huge market place. It would be far easier for them to just add them to iTunes and Spotify then have to release an actual album. Lets face it the material does not match the glory of the stuff from the original Masterplan. |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 4, 2017 14:51:43 GMT -5
The actual year doesn't matter to my broader point. There are dozens of high quality songs that are basically in no mans land in a huge market place. It would be far easier for them to just add them to iTunes and Spotify then have to release an actual album. Lets face it the material does not match the glory of the stuff from the original Masterplan. I think many on the list I choose could easily stand alongside the early B-Sides. Lets All Believe, in my opinion, is the best b-side Liam ever sang on and Noel's sung stuff is far more mature than his early work. Again the point is that these songs are not even available for a fan without seeking them out. Younger fans probably don't even know of their existence without doing extensive research into their discography. It's almost 2018 and could be available with a flick of the finger. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 15:07:02 GMT -5
It would be far easier for them to just add them to iTunes and Spotify then have to release an actual album. Lets face it the material does not match the glory of the stuff from the original Masterplan. I think many on the list I choose could easily stand alongside the early B-Sides. Lets All Believe, in my opinion, is the best b-side Liam ever sang on and Noel's sung stuff is far more mature than his early work. Again the point is that these songs are not even available for a fan without seeking them out. Younger fans probably don't even know of their existence without doing extensive research into their discography. It's almost 2018 and could be available with a flick of the finger. I got news for ya, its already available at the flick of a finger. Google the song artist, title and mp3. And BOOM! Song! |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 4, 2017 15:14:51 GMT -5
I think many on the list I choose could easily stand alongside the early B-Sides. Lets All Believe, in my opinion, is the best b-side Liam ever sang on and Noel's sung stuff is far more mature than his early work. Again the point is that these songs are not even available for a fan without seeking them out. Younger fans probably don't even know of their existence without doing extensive research into their discography. It's almost 2018 and could be available with a flick of the finger. I got news for ya, its already available at the flick of a finger. Google the song artist, title and mp3. And BOOM! Song! It isn't if you are a 17 year old who wasn't even born when some of these songs released. You don't know of its existence if you are on Spotify and it doesn't show up. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 15:17:45 GMT -5
I got news for ya, its already available at the flick of a finger. Google the song artist, title and mp3. And BOOM! Song! It isn't if you are a 17 year old who wasn't even born when some of these songs released. You don't know of its existence if you are on Spotify and it doesn't show up. Wikipedia |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 4, 2017 15:27:24 GMT -5
It isn't if you are a 17 year old who wasn't even born when some of these songs released. You don't know of its existence if you are on Spotify and it doesn't show up. Wikipedia Again why subject a fanbase to do research on a band that wants to just find your songs. They are recorded and should be accessible to as big of an audience as it can find. This is far below business 101. It used to crack me up in the Oasis touring years that they played many numbers in the US that were never even released in the market. Made zero sense then and zero sense now. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 15:28:55 GMT -5
Again why subject a fanbase to do research on a band that wants to just find your songs. They are recorded and should be accessible to as big of an audience as it can find. This is far below business 101. It used to crack me up in the Oasis touring years that they played many numbers in the US that were never even released in the market. Made zero sense then and zero sense now. When I was a kid there was no internet. I only knew what I read in books, magazines or whatever info I could find at the local record store via people. A lot of mystery back then. Kinda fun but definitely not immediate. |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 4, 2017 15:52:14 GMT -5
Again why subject a fanbase to do research on a band that wants to just find your songs. They are recorded and should be accessible to as big of an audience as it can find. This is far below business 101. It used to crack me up in the Oasis touring years that they played many numbers in the US that were never even released in the market. Made zero sense then and zero sense now. When I was a kid there was no internet. I only knew what I read in books, magazines or whatever info I could find at the local record store via people. A lot of mystery back then. Kinda fun but definitely not immediate. Yeah, you went to record store and they stocked the albums that the band had. There are tons of tracks to stock on this virtual store called the internet and no one is stocking them. Noel could buy a few new toys or maybe befriend a few more famous people if he gets some more streams or sales. What's stopping him. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 16:11:52 GMT -5
When I was a kid there was no internet. I only knew what I read in books, magazines or whatever info I could find at the local record store via people. A lot of mystery back then. Kinda fun but definitely not immediate. Yeah, you went to record store and they stocked the albums that the band had. There are tons of tracks to stock on this virtual store called the internet and no one is stocking them. Noel could buy a few new toys or maybe befriend a few more famous people if he gets some more streams or sales. What's stopping him. I guess I don't care because I've had every oasis b side for decades now. They should just put them on a Spotify playlist. So easy and simple. No need for an album. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 16:20:51 GMT -5
If 'the Masterplan' hadn't been released as an album I very likely would never have become the Oasis fan I am today. I'd probably be one of those people who had the first 3 albums then donated them to a second hand shop in 1999 after losing interest. The Masterplan album took me from fan to (probably) obsessive Oasis trainspotter. I don't think there would be a point in released a Masterplan part 2 album, for a number of reasons: interest level, the liam/noel vocals ratio is off, etc. But here's the ones I like best: Let's all Make Believe Carry Us All Idler's Dream Shout it Out Loud You've Got the Heart of a Star Thank you for the good times Eyeball Tickler I Believe in all Record Machine (DBTT version) Can You See it now? I liked a good few of the DOYS remixes like the TBWTL Richard Fearless one and the Twiggy IOT, both of which should have made the cut over the ones that made the album. I think you nailed it. This isn't 1998 when Oasis was coming off a fever pitch of fame. At that point in time a compilation like this was needed. No other way to get these tracks other than outrageously over priced $30 imports for 4 songs!!! A Masterplan part 2 would be so watered down in quality. Plus like you said Noel sings almost all of them. It would begin to sound like a Noel unofficial solo album. So many Oasis fans already have all these songs. |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 4, 2017 16:24:46 GMT -5
Yeah, you went to record store and they stocked the albums that the band had. There are tons of tracks to stock on this virtual store called the internet and no one is stocking them. Noel could buy a few new toys or maybe befriend a few more famous people if he gets some more streams or sales. What's stopping him. I guess I don't care because I've had every oasis b side for decades now. They should just put them on a Spotify playlist. So easy and simple. No need for an album. There was no reason for a lot of The Beatles albums they churned out for years, either. Just a nice little treat for the fans really and basically no cost to produce. With Liam playing such big shows in the summer the timing could be good. Shit, could just make it a vinyl collectors edition on Record Store Day with a limited release for a collectors item type thing. I really think the band is reforming next summer or fall. Timing is right. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 16:32:19 GMT -5
I guess I don't care because I've had every oasis b side for decades now. They should just put them on a Spotify playlist. So easy and simple. No need for an album. There was no reason for a lot of The Beatles albums they churned out for years, either. Just a nice little treat for the fans really and basically no cost to produce. With Liam playing such big shows in the summer the timing could be good. Shit, could just make it a vinyl collectors edition on Record Store Day with a limited release for a collectors item type thing. I really think the band is reforming next summer or fall. Timing is right. Oasis is not getting back together. I mean Noel just commented on it last month for like the billionth time. Its over. |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 4, 2017 16:35:34 GMT -5
There was no reason for a lot of The Beatles albums they churned out for years, either. Just a nice little treat for the fans really and basically no cost to produce. With Liam playing such big shows in the summer the timing could be good. Shit, could just make it a vinyl collectors edition on Record Store Day with a limited release for a collectors item type thing. I really think the band is reforming next summer or fall. Timing is right. Oasis is not getting back together. I mean Noel just commented on it last month for like the billionth time. Its over. I disagree. Axl Rose said the same thing going so far as declaring Not in this lifetime. The Not In this lifetime tour is doing very well right now. Noel being able to rub shoulders at the Rock Hall next spring will be his siren song. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 16:40:51 GMT -5
Oasis is not getting back together. I mean Noel just commented on it last month for like the billionth time. Its over. I disagree. Axl Rose said the same thing going so far as declaring Not in this lifetime. The Not In this lifetime tour is doing very well right now. Noel being able to rub shoulders at the Rock Hall next spring will be his siren song. Noel's already said it isn't gonna happen. He also said he doesn't care about the rock n roll HOF to even reunite. His heroes never got their bands back together and he won't either. The difference is Guns N Roses never broke up. It was always chugging along but most original members departed. If Oasis did reform they wouldn't need to hawk a b-sides compilation from the early 2000s. That isn't sexy. |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 4, 2017 16:51:03 GMT -5
I disagree. Axl Rose said the same thing going so far as declaring Not in this lifetime. The Not In this lifetime tour is doing very well right now. Noel being able to rub shoulders at the Rock Hall next spring will be his siren song. Noel's already said it isn't gonna happen. He also said he doesn't care about the rock n roll HOF to even reunite. His heroes never got their bands back together and he won't either. The difference is Guns N Roses never broke up. It was always chugging along but most original members departed. If Oasis did reform they wouldn't need to hawk a b-sides compilation from the early 2000s. That isn't sexy. After all these years you don't take anything that Noel Gallagher says with a grain of salt? The guy who visited Tony Blair after being elected wouldn't want to be under the same roof and being inducted to the Rock Hall by someone like Neil Young, Pete Townshend or Paul McCartney. You actually believe him LOL. You really haven't been paying that close of attention I guess. You should see some of the "unsexy" Beatles compilations that were released. They really don't mean anything at the end of the day but it really makes no sense a decent sized percentage of their work is unavailable where it can be heard. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2017 16:52:20 GMT -5
Noel's already said it isn't gonna happen. He also said he doesn't care about the rock n roll HOF to even reunite. His heroes never got their bands back together and he won't either. The difference is Guns N Roses never broke up. It was always chugging along but most original members departed. If Oasis did reform they wouldn't need to hawk a b-sides compilation from the early 2000s. That isn't sexy. After all these years you don't take anything that Noel Gallagher says with a grain of salt? The guy who visited Tony Blair after being elected wouldn't want to be under the same roof and being inducted to the Rock Hall by someone like Neil Young, Pete Townshend or Paul McCartney. You actually believe him LOL. You really haven't been paying that close of attention I guess. You should see some of the "unsexy" Beatles compilations that were released. They really don't mean anything at the end of the day but it really makes no sense a decent sized percentage of their work is unavailable where it can be heard. I must have missed those Beatles reunion tours too! That was just Allen Klein making a buck! I do believe noel over this topic. |
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 4, 2017 16:53:18 GMT -5
After all these years you don't take anything that Noel Gallagher says with a grain of salt? The guy who visited Tony Blair after being elected wouldn't want to be under the same roof and being inducted to the Rock Hall by someone like Neil Young, Pete Townshend or Paul McCartney. You actually believe him LOL. You really haven't been paying that close of attention I guess. You should see some of the "unsexy" Beatles compilations that were released. They really don't mean anything at the end of the day but it really makes no sense a decent sized percentage of their work is unavailable where it can be heard. I must have missed those Beatles reunion tours too! That was just Allen Klein making a buck! I do believe noel over this topic. I'll clue you in on something. One of them was shot to death. |
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