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Post by walrus91 on Aug 10, 2017 16:35:46 GMT -5
Go back and listen to his voice on DOYS or DBTT .. THAT LIAM would of sounded awful on FWIW .. the fact he can pull that song off and sound so smooth and clear is amazing ..sure there is some studio magic going on but there was studio magic back then and he didn't sound near as clear .. it shows his voice is alot better by just comparing studio sound. . Everyone I let listen say man he sounds like he did back during BHN.. He isn't that good but he is good enough to sound the part in the studio .. FWIW is a good song but those vocals man .. I heard people criticing it on the other thread and I have no idea how people can't just be happy he can pull that off.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 10, 2017 16:40:12 GMT -5
This single just came out today and why do some people have to start with debate like this now? I don't get it. I'm not lying, I thought too that he would struggle to sing this song live, but I'll see and hear when I see him live again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:05:36 GMT -5
This single just came out today and why do some people have to start with debate like this now? I don't get it. I'm not lying, I thought too that he would struggle to sing this song live, but I'll see and hear when I see him live again. Your hatred of discussion is pretty incredible.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Aug 10, 2017 17:13:40 GMT -5
may of said this in another thread i like it and i like it for the vocals they are class and im not one to pick it apart for whatever reason its just a good song well done liam
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Post by eva on Aug 10, 2017 17:27:54 GMT -5
I agree with you, OP, but you could have easily posted this in one of the other zillion threads about the subject
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Aug 10, 2017 17:39:01 GMT -5
Go back and listen to his voice on DOYS or DBTT .. THAT LIAM would of sounded awful on FWIW .. the fact he can pull that song off and sound so smooth and clear is amazing ..sure there is some studio magic going on but there was studio magic back then and he didn't sound near as clear .. it shows his voice is alot better by just comparing studio sound. . Everyone I let listen say man he sounds like he did back during BHN.. He isn't that good but he is good enough to sound the part in the studio .. FWIW is a good song but those vocals man .. I heard people criticing it on the other thread and I have no idea how people can't just be happy he can pull that off. you don't seem to be making trouble but the thread title is really provocative in my eyes. Liam sounds good I think. We all have an opinion but I hate people who take a shit on it just bc they arnt happy or wanna just be an ass and even if he made the best song in history they would still hate. If you wanna hear the diff look up some of the early Oasis vocal only tracks. He sounds amazing then and they still used the same studio tricks as now. It's unbelievable that he worked his body enough during his break to come back this strong and I honestly thinks it upsets some people how good he is bc they want him to fail. How can you be a Oasis, noel, or Liam fan and want that to happen? He will never be 1996 liam but he is the best one we have had since 2000-2002ish. The negativity blows my mind since this is a fan page. You goto YouTube and I'd say it's 99% positive which is hard to believe as much shit as people talk. He will struggle to sing this live at times but it's awesome he tried and didn't go the safe way.
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Aug 10, 2017 17:42:04 GMT -5
This single just came out today and why do some people have to start with debate like this now? I don't get it. I'm not lying, I thought too that he would struggle to sing this song live, but I'll see and hear when I see him live again. Your hatred of discussion is pretty incredible. some people will hate no matter how good a song is. I don't get why but they do and a lot of those people are mad Liam's doing so well. Arnt we supposed to be fans? Also real convos on here should never be stopped bc one person is not happy or fit into their line of thought.
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Post by revol on Aug 11, 2017 2:13:28 GMT -5
Your hatred of discussion is pretty incredible. some people will hate no matter how good a song is. I don't get why but they do and a lot of those people are mad Liam's doing so well. Arnt we supposed to be fans? Also real convos on here should never be stopped bc one person is not happy or fit into their line of thought. Oh, come on. D'you seriously think that somebody's MAD because Liam's doing so well (define "well", btw). Yes, we are all Oasis fans here. Well, most of us, I guess. However, it completely doesn't meant that we can't be critical towards the music or any other subject. This is not One Direction forum where everybody lives in a bubble made of delusions. I do not like the new song, I just don't - for me it's bland, unfocused, beadyeye-ish assemblage of descending chords and it actually sounds more beige than Chris Martin covering Kenny G for a promo CD added to "The Sun". But I'm still Liam's fan, I've fucking named my son 'Liam'! Listen man, when someone doesn't praise the fuck out of every single note that Liam produces, it's really not a personal attack aimed at you or him, so I will rephrase your question: "Aren't we supposed to debate here?".
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 11, 2017 2:22:06 GMT -5
some people will hate no matter how good a song is. I don't get why but they do and a lot of those people are mad Liam's doing so well. Arnt we supposed to be fans? Also real convos on here should never be stopped bc one person is not happy or fit into their line of thought. Oh, come on. D'you seriously think that somebody's MAD because Liam's doing so well (define "well", btw). Yes, we are all Oasis fans here. Well, most of us, I guess. However, it completely doesn't meant that we can't be critical towards the music or any other subject. This is not One Direction forum where everybody lives in a bubble made of delusions. I do not like the new song, I just don't - for me it's bland, unfocused, beadyeye-ish assemblage of descending chords and it actually sounds more beige than Chris Martin covering Kenny G for a promo CD added to "The Sun". But I'm still Liam's fan, I've fucking named my son 'Liam'! Listen man, when someone doesn't praise the fuck out of every single note that Liam produces, it's really not a personal attack aimed at you or him, so I will rephrase your question: "Aren't we supposed to debate here?". Exactly. Can't believe some people think there's active Liam Gallagher haters on a fucking Oasis forum. Take a look at The Guardian - they're the people who don't like his songs before they've heard it, not anyone on here. I think you can quite easily be a passionate Oasis/Liam fan and not be impressed with his musical output post-2010. And most of the so-called "haters" on here enjoyed Wall of Glass. It's rhubarb. Anyway, I suppose the this thread is truthful enough. I haven't heard a great deal of DBTT-era live performances, but the bits I have weren't great. I don't think he knocked this tune out of the park live, but he didn't butcher it in any way either. You've got to remember it was a "first-time-played" thing. Hopefully he gets more comfortable with it as the tour goes on, it might be a decent one for the casuals.
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Post by bardes on Aug 11, 2017 3:20:02 GMT -5
This is awful, like different song.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Aug 11, 2017 6:53:41 GMT -5
This is awful, like different song. The mix is terrible. His voice doesn't sound so bad at all. But you couldn't almost hear the band. This song has to be played faster and louder.
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Post by The Chief on Aug 11, 2017 7:22:24 GMT -5
I have a theory. Liam is always amazing on record and it can't just be digital voice correction. I think Liam doesn't scream in the studio. He sings gently. The same way he did on the small BE acoustic tour after the record was released. Just singing gently, no screaming. He sounded amazing.
Remember during the DOYS tour when he sang I'm Outta Time. His neck vein was about to pop. It's hard for singers to hear themselves on stage and he probably screams for that reason.
So I'm pretty sure there's not much studio trickery. He can pull it off. It just depends how he sings it.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 11, 2017 7:35:36 GMT -5
I have a theory. Liam is always amazing on record and it can't just be digital voice correction. I think Liam doesn't scream in the studio. He sings gently. The same way he did on the small BE acoustic tour after the record was released. Just singing gently, no screaming. He sounded amazing. Remember during the DOYS tour when he sang I'm Outta Time. His neck vein was about to pop. It's hard for singers to hear themselves on stage and he probably screams for that reason. So I'm pretty sure there's not much studio trickery. He can pull it off. It just depends how he sings it. I think that the appeal of Liam's voice originally was his ability to sing in tune over the wall of noise that the band produced. Naturally with age and wear it become increasingly harder and something had to give. As much as his new band get stick for sounding thin, I think it's intentional. They are there to support liam without being flash, not become the centre of attention. And certainly not overpower his voice. They aren't Oasis and aren't trying to be. If anyone is wanting it to sound like 90s oasis then it's always going to disappoint. That ship has sailed, and Liam's old voice went with it.
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Aug 11, 2017 11:09:19 GMT -5
This is awful, like different song. I'm really not feeling it from his live band. Sound like something you'd hear in the corner of a pub. Shame the band is terrible which is a shame
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Post by neila83 on Aug 11, 2017 11:56:36 GMT -5
I have a theory. Liam is always amazing on record and it can't just be digital voice correction. I think Liam doesn't scream in the studio. He sings gently. The same way he did on the small BE acoustic tour after the record was released. Just singing gently, no screaming. He sounded amazing. Remember during the DOYS tour when he sang I'm Outta Time. His neck vein was about to pop. It's hard for singers to hear themselves on stage and he probably screams for that reason. So I'm pretty sure there's not much studio trickery. He can pull it off. It just depends how he sings it. I actually think he has the opposite problem. Even in the studio he seems to feel the need to scream out songs, which might be appropriate for the rockers, but not for the tender ballads. You can see it in the clip of him recording FWIW. Personally, I think it means his vocals have a tendency to sound too aggressive on the tender songs, Let there be love was a classic example with Oasis. And you can hear him straining even on the studio recording. I'm sure it'd sound much better if he just reigned it in but he seems to refuse to, except for the odd acoustic performance. As for whether his voice could have sounded like this on DBTT or DOYS, it most certainly could have done if they'd used this many effects. There's no difference from the turning for example. There's a lot of emperor's new clothes going on with Liam at the moment. I'm sure a lot of people slagging of BE now to make a point about Liam were saying that Four Letter Word was the second coming a few years ago. I',m sure this. song is not going to be talked about much in a year. But I could be wrong of course
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Post by OasisDG on Aug 11, 2017 12:17:28 GMT -5
I'm sure a lot of people slagging of BE now to make a point about Liam were saying that Four Letter Word was the second coming a few years ago. I',m sure this. song is not going to be talked about much in a year. But I could be wrong of course We are still talking about FLW 6 years on so considering the hype FWIW is getting I think it's a safe bet that a lot of people will like this tune in a year's time.
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Post by LlAM on Aug 12, 2017 7:29:05 GMT -5
I'm thinking some of the lines in the song were shortened on purpose, so Liam could "recover"/catch his breath
Examples:
The last line of the first verse (give blood...) The last line of the third verse (been crucified..) And the last line of the middle 8 (swallow my pride....)
It's soooo obvious those lines should've been longer and it kind of leaves awkward spaces
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Post by OasisDG on Aug 12, 2017 7:32:51 GMT -5
I'm thinking some of the lines in the song were shortened on purpose, so Liam could "recover"/catch his breath Examples: The last line of the first verse (give blood...) The last line of the third verse (been crucified..) And the last line of the middle 8 (swallow my pride....) It's soooo obvious those lines should've been longer and it kind of leaves awkward spaces He's not a rap artist and not every single beat has to be covered by lyrics. I hate to say it but your comment is just short sighted.
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Post by LlAM on Aug 12, 2017 7:43:16 GMT -5
I'm thinking some of the lines in the song were shortened on purpose, so Liam could "recover"/catch his breath Examples: The last line of the first verse (give blood...) The last line of the third verse (been crucified..) And the last line of the middle 8 (swallow my pride....) It's soooo obvious those lines should've been longer and it kind of leaves awkward spaces He's not a rap artist and not every single beat has to be covered by lyrics. I hate to say it but your comment is just short sighted. No, not every beat has to be covered by lyrics, but it would be nice if the melody was crafted in such a way that it feels/flows naturally and not forced in or cut short. It almost reminds me of how The Beat Goes On melody is kind of squashed and forced to fit the music. Especially the middle 8 is begging for that extra line to build the suspense for the last chorus. It gets me wondering if they did it on purpose to make it easier on his vocals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 7:56:56 GMT -5
He's not a rap artist and not every single beat has to be covered by lyrics. I hate to say it but your comment is just short sighted. It almost reminds me of how The Beat Goes On melody is kind of squashed and forced to fit the music. Good comparison. There's something a little awkward about the whole song. Strange gaps, Liam wailing "for what it's worth" where it's not needed (the cynic in me wonders if that's about making sure the listener knows what it's called to go and stream it or whatever). I think it's my least favourite that we've heard from the album.
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Post by The Chief on Aug 12, 2017 13:44:30 GMT -5
We are still talking about FLW 6 years on so considering the hype FWIW is getting I think it's a safe bet that a lot of people will like this tune in a year's time. Eurm... why is this quoting me with a post I never made?
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Post by matt on Aug 12, 2017 13:46:49 GMT -5
Pointless thread. Again.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 12, 2017 17:13:00 GMT -5
I think someone needs to go and have a listen to The Turning and then come back. I will agree he was recorded appallingly on DBTT, Love Like a Bomb
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Post by space75gr on Aug 13, 2017 1:06:26 GMT -5
I don't really care if he can sing it great live or not. I'm not gonna have the chance to see liam live, so I m happy to hear his great vocals on the record. N I m sure that we r gonna have a great live version from a show. That s more than enough for me. N if I m gonna have the chance to see him live, the last thing I care is if he s singing always in the right tone n if he hits the highs. Babies, it s Liam f........ Gallagher, it s just pure RNR n not an x factor performance. Argentina 2009 was awful but the crowd was crazy about it.
Btw, thinking that way, oasis should never release "rockin chair"...if you know what I mean.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 1:47:13 GMT -5
This is awful, like different song. there's nothing wrong with this performance, in my opinion. did you actually expect the live version to sound like the studio version? clearly his voice on the studio version was pitched higher along with other effects. similar to 'for anyone' off dgss.
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