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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 7:13:27 GMT -5
Totally talking out my arse here, just having a bit of fun on a boring day at work, but I was thinking if this could be done.
Could liam take noel songs and re-record them with his vocal along with some of his own and could noel stop him legally, as long as all credits and royaltys paid properly?
Liam could even change some of noel tunes and create a N Gallagher/L Gallagher writing credit.
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Post by jxing on Jul 11, 2017 8:12:05 GMT -5
Totally talking out my arse here, just having a bit of fun on a boring day at work, but I was thinking if this could be done. Could liam take noel songs and re-record them with his vocal along with some of his own and could noel stop him legally, as long as all credits and royaltys paid properly? Liam could even change some of noel tunes and create a N Gallagher/L Gallagher writing credit. I don't see that happening. He never approved or saw the need for the remastering
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 8:19:25 GMT -5
Totally talking out my arse here, just having a bit of fun on a boring day at work, but I was thinking if this could be done. Could liam take noel songs and re-record them with his vocal along with some of his own and could noel stop him legally, as long as all credits and royaltys paid properly? Liam could even change some of noel tunes and create a N Gallagher/L Gallagher writing credit. I don't see that happening. He never approved or saw the need for the remastering Of course it'll never happen, im just having a laugh. I'd totally do it if I was liam tho😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 8:21:57 GMT -5
no chance.
liam + noel ='s oasis
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Post by jxing on Jul 11, 2017 8:28:25 GMT -5
I don't see that happening. He never approved or saw the need for the remastering Of course it'll never happen, im just having a laugh. I'd totally do it if I was liam tho😂😂 I really wished we knew if he reads this forum He should, we have some brilliant ideas! 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 8:32:43 GMT -5
In fact liam shouldnt have bothered with his own records. Every time noel released something, just re-record it with his own vocals.
Bigger and better 😎
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Post by mossy on Jul 11, 2017 9:49:36 GMT -5
Totally talking out my arse here, just having a bit of fun on a boring day at work, but I was thinking if this could be done. Could liam take noel songs and re-record them with his vocal along with some of his own and could noel stop him legally, as long as all credits and royaltys paid properly? Liam could even change some of noel tunes and create a N Gallagher/L Gallagher writing credit. He can cover what he wants live (see DLBIA at Glasto) but to release a recording he'd need Noel's permission.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 10:02:06 GMT -5
Totally talking out my arse here, just having a bit of fun on a boring day at work, but I was thinking if this could be done. Could liam take noel songs and re-record them with his vocal along with some of his own and could noel stop him legally, as long as all credits and royaltys paid properly? Liam could even change some of noel tunes and create a N Gallagher/L Gallagher writing credit. He can cover what he wants live (see DLBIA at Glasto) but to release a recording he'd need Noel's permission. Pffft... ah well there goes my masterplan. It's all noel fault, as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 10:21:34 GMT -5
He can cover what he wants live (see DLBIA at Glasto) but to release a recording he'd need Noel's permission. Pffft... ah well there goes my masterplan. It's all noel fault, as usual. no, actually it is and always will be dave sardy's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 10:35:17 GMT -5
Pffft... ah well there goes my masterplan. It's all noel fault, as usual. no, actually it is and always will be dave sardy's fault. Fuck dave sardy.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 11, 2017 11:43:29 GMT -5
Totally talking out my arse here, just having a bit of fun on a boring day at work, but I was thinking if this could be done. Could liam take noel songs and re-record them with his vocal along with some of his own and could noel stop him legally, as long as all credits and royaltys paid properly? Liam could even change some of noel tunes and create a N Gallagher/L Gallagher writing credit. He can cover what he wants live (see DLBIA at Glasto) but to release a recording he'd need Noel's permission. I don't think so. He needs his permission if we he wants to make a deal and not pay at all or pay less. But he can put on record whatever he wants if he writes who wrote that song and pay for royalties.
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Post by mossy on Jul 11, 2017 13:12:25 GMT -5
He can cover what he wants live (see DLBIA at Glasto) but to release a recording he'd need Noel's permission. I don't think so. He needs his permission if we he wants to make a deal and not pay at all or pay less. But he can put on record whatever he wants if he writes who wrote that song and pay for royalties. Do you have a reason for thinking that? My understanding is he needs permission from a song's publisher to release a recording of it regardless of payment. diymusician.cdbaby.com/music-rights/licensing-cover-songs/www.bandcds.co.uk/faqs/need-pay-royalties-cover-versions-songs-cd/This is why, for example, bands like Pink Floyd and Kraftwerk have famously prevented people from sampling their songs. Chris Martin had to perform unspeakable sexual acts in an underground robotic dungeon to get Kraftwerk to agree to their riff being used by Coldplay in Talk. At least that's what I like to think. www.google.co.uk/amp/www.contactmusic.com/amp/1915316
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Post by tjl2992 on Jul 11, 2017 13:26:23 GMT -5
No! Without Noel's songs it's just Beady Eye, and no one wants that again.🐼
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 13:33:00 GMT -5
No! Without Noel's songs it's just Beady Eye, and no one wants that again.🐼 I meant with Noel's songs. 😈
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 11, 2017 13:53:46 GMT -5
If you are changing a part of a song then you need permission.
If not, you can put it on your album without any permission from who wrote it.
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Post by mossy on Jul 11, 2017 13:58:58 GMT -5
If you are changing a part of a song then you need permission. If not, you can put it on your album without any permission from who wrote it. The links I posted above seem to contradict that. "If you’re looking to record your own version of a song, you’ll need to secure a mechanical license from the appropriate music publisher. Under U.S. Copyright Law, mechanical licenses are required if you want to record or distribute a song that you do not own or control." Please don't tell me that the rumour that Chris Martin was the filling for a Ralf & Florian sandwich isn't true!
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 11, 2017 14:00:26 GMT -5
I don't think so. He needs his permission if we he wants to make a deal and not pay at all or pay less. But he can put on record whatever he wants if he writes who wrote that song and pay for royalties. Do you have a reason for thinking that? My understanding is he needs permission from a song's publisher to release a recording of it regardless of payment. diymusician.cdbaby.com/music-rights/licensing-cover-songs/This is why, for example, bands like Pink Floyd and Kraftwerk have famously prevented people from sampling their songs. Chris Martin had to perform unspeakable sexual acts in an underground robotic dungeon to get Kraftwerk to agree to the Talk sample. At least that's what I like to think. www.google.co.uk/amp/www.contactmusic.com/amp/1915316Nobody can stop you to cover some song and put it on your record. People are contacting original artists so they don't have to pay like, for example, Verve paid to Rolling Stones for BS. But Stones management didn't say, you need to destroy all copies of that record, they just said, ok, well done, idiots, now give us money. In early 60s for example, nobody was writing their own pop/rock songs in Yugoslavia, all we had was covers of songs from UK and USA. My father's band in the 80s covered Bruce Springsteen, ofc they didn't call Bruce. I think that there is version of Yesterday recorded on every language in the world, do you think that they all called Paul? Gary Glitter earned £1m from Hello because he is named as co-writer, so, you can cover whole songs or parts of it, but you will have to pay some money for that. You mentioned Pink Floyd, I remember that I was listening to some Another Brick in the Wall techno cover as a kid, I didn't even know that it was Floyd's song or even who is Pink Floyd. There are covers and remixes available, they can't stop that. So, Pink Floyd probably doesn't make deals and they are not willing to let anybody cover their songs for free or lower price, but ofc that you can record and sell cover of their song but you'll have to pay them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:02:54 GMT -5
If you are changing a part of a song then you need permission. If not, you can put it on your album without any permission from who wrote it. The links I posted above seem to contradict that. "If you’re looking to record your own version of a song, you’ll need to secure a mechanical license from the appropriate music publisher. Under U.S. Copyright Law, mechanical licenses are required if you want to record or distribute a song that you do not own or control." Please don't tell me that the rumour that Chris Martin was the filling for a Ralf & Florian sandwich isn't true! Obviously the thread is meant tongue on check but being serious for a minute I'm sure I've read somewhere that the laws in US and pretty much the rest of the world are very different on this subject. Could be wrong and it was about something else but it rings a bell in my head. Couldn't tell you the source though, it was a while ago.
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Post by mossy on Jul 11, 2017 14:40:58 GMT -5
Do you have a reason for thinking that? My understanding is he needs permission from a song's publisher to release a recording of it regardless of payment. diymusician.cdbaby.com/music-rights/licensing-cover-songs/This is why, for example, bands like Pink Floyd and Kraftwerk have famously prevented people from sampling their songs. Chris Martin had to perform unspeakable sexual acts in an underground robotic dungeon to get Kraftwerk to agree to the Talk sample. At least that's what I like to think. www.google.co.uk/amp/www.contactmusic.com/amp/1915316Nobody can stop you to cover some song and put it on your record. People are contacting original artists so they don't have to pay like, for example, Verve paid to Rolling Stones for BS. But Stones management didn't say, you need to destroy all copies of that record, they just said, ok, well done, idiots, now give us money. In early 60s for example, nobody was writing their own pop/rock songs in Yugoslavia, all we had was covers of songs from UK and USA. My father's band in the 80s covered Bruce Springsteen, ofc they didn't call Bruce. I think that there is version of Yesterday recorded on every language in the world, do you think that they all called Paul? Gary Glitter earned £1m from Hello because he is named as co-writer, so, you can cover whole songs or parts of it, but you will have to pay some money for that. You mentioned Pink Floyd, I remember that I was listening to some Another Brick in the Wall techno cover as a kid, I didn't even know that it was Floyd's song or even who is Pink Floyd. There are covers and remixes available, they can't stop that. So, Pink Floyd probably doesn't make deals and they are not willing to let anybody cover their songs for free or lower price, but ofc that you can record and sell cover of their song but you'll have to pay them. I'm not claiming to be an expert on this but I did provide some references, do you have any?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:53:11 GMT -5
Nobody can stop you to cover some song and put it on your record. People are contacting original artists so they don't have to pay like, for example, Verve paid to Rolling Stones for BS. But Stones management didn't say, you need to destroy all copies of that record, they just said, ok, well done, idiots, now give us money. In early 60s for example, nobody was writing their own pop/rock songs in Yugoslavia, all we had was covers of songs from UK and USA. My father's band in the 80s covered Bruce Springsteen, ofc they didn't call Bruce. I think that there is version of Yesterday recorded on every language in the world, do you think that they all called Paul? Gary Glitter earned £1m from Hello because he is named as co-writer, so, you can cover whole songs or parts of it, but you will have to pay some money for that. You mentioned Pink Floyd, I remember that I was listening to some Another Brick in the Wall techno cover as a kid, I didn't even know that it was Floyd's song or even who is Pink Floyd. There are covers and remixes available, they can't stop that. So, Pink Floyd probably doesn't make deals and they are not willing to let anybody cover their songs for free or lower price, but ofc that you can record and sell cover of their song but you'll have to pay them. I'm not claiming to be an expert on this but I did provide some references, do you have any? He's right, you don't need anyone's permission to cover a song as long as you don't change the arrangement. I think I heard Noel say that with respect to Oasis covering Street Fighting Man, they did it just to piss one of the Stones off I believe? I just found this as well: "Cover Songs "U.S. copyright law allows other musical artists to create their own cover version of a copyrighted song without seeking the permission of the original copyright owner. To qualify for this limited exception to the owner’s exclusive rights, the cover artist may make limited changes to the musical arrangement to reflect the cover artist’s style. This arrangement, however, cannot change the basic melody and structure of the original song. Cover artists must also pay a compulsory license fee set by U.S. law."
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Post by mossy on Jul 11, 2017 15:11:44 GMT -5
I'm not claiming to be an expert on this but I did provide some references, do you have any? He's right, you don't need anyone's permission to cover a song as long as you don't change the arrangement. I think I heard Noel say that with respect to Oasis covering Street Fighting Man, they did it just to piss one of the Stones off I believe? I just found this as well: "Cover Songs "U.S. copyright law allows other musical artists to create their own cover version of a copyrighted song without seeking the permission of the original copyright owner. To qualify for this limited exception to the owner’s exclusive rights, the cover artist may make limited changes to the musical arrangement to reflect the cover artist’s style. This arrangement, however, cannot change the basic melody and structure of the original song. Cover artists must also pay a compulsory license fee set by U.S. law." What site is that from? It's weird there such contradictory advice out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 15:36:39 GMT -5
He's right, you don't need anyone's permission to cover a song as long as you don't change the arrangement. I think I heard Noel say that with respect to Oasis covering Street Fighting Man, they did it just to piss one of the Stones off I believe? I just found this as well: "Cover Songs "U.S. copyright law allows other musical artists to create their own cover version of a copyrighted song without seeking the permission of the original copyright owner. To qualify for this limited exception to the owner’s exclusive rights, the cover artist may make limited changes to the musical arrangement to reflect the cover artist’s style. This arrangement, however, cannot change the basic melody and structure of the original song. Cover artists must also pay a compulsory license fee set by U.S. law." What site is that from? It's weird there such contradictory advice out there. info.legalzoom.com/song-arrangements-copyrighted-23709.htmlI don't think it's contradictory, I believe the information you've posted assumes that you want to have a bit more leeway with what you do with the song therefore requiring the mechanical license, on another website to the one I copied from before I found this: "Now there may be some cases when using these agencies that the song you wish to cover comes up saying “This song is not available for mechanical licensing“. This could be enough to put you off doing the cover version, but there may also be another path, and a legal one, because once a song has been commercially released by an artist, that artist’s song may be re-recorded and released by anyone who chooses to do so. This is only the case if the melody/lyric isn’t substantially changed in your cover version, and you pay the proper fees/royalties directly to the song’s copyright holders." www.makeitinmusic.com/licence-cover-song/Your point about sampling being denied is because they wanted to take some of the track and put it in something else, the protection for covering songs doesn't apply then as you're using the copyrighted material in a different way, not as a cover.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 19:50:43 GMT -5
So he could do it but he wouldn't make any money, right? In fact, he'd probably lose money cos he'd have to pay people to play the music and record it, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 20:11:28 GMT -5
So he could do it but he wouldn't make any money, right? In fact, he'd probably lose money cos he'd have to pay people to play the music and record it, right? No, he'd make money, if he had writing credits on half the album, or even a quarter, he'd set himself up to receive a reasonable portion of what would clearly be a huge number 1 album. The idea is so absurd that it couldn't fail to get to number 1, an Oasis album made by one brother, with the songs of the other brother, behind his back. Press goldmine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 20:36:42 GMT -5
It's certainly absurd, but it would definitely get a shit ton of attention! (Including mine)
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