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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jun 25, 2017 3:10:55 GMT -5
Obviously Liam has mentioned several times that this is his last crack at the whip, meaning he needs to make it work. But do you think that his approach to this solo record has been different? He seems a lot more relaxed and willing to play the game a little bit. Little things, like his approach to interviews has been very different - he doesn't seem like 'a man with a fork in a world of soup' any more. For example, the Noisey interview, he is perfectly willing to play up to the interviewer and sell himself a little bit - the Coogan story in particular would never have been told 5-6 years ago.
Debbie knows her stuff and I think is doing a great job of managing him, hope he keeps it up!
Do you think he's changed? If so what has been a contributing factor?
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Jun 25, 2017 3:29:25 GMT -5
There is a more mature and professional approach to everything we have seen so far.
He's just been real. No bullshit.
Liam knows exactly why he appeals to the masses, he'll have been told enough times. His voice is an integral part of this, he knows what he has to do
If Debbie is the driving force behind this then good on her, but I'd say the credit goes mainly to Laim. He's had a reality check in the last few years.
Anyone else noticed the lyrics change to Universal Gleam? "Oh Lord Don't Let Me Down" Maybe he's found a faith. Certainly seems more grounded.
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Post by joladella on Jun 25, 2017 3:32:16 GMT -5
Obviously Liam has mentioned several times that this is his last crack at the whip, meaning he needs to make it work. But do you think that his approach to this solo record has been different? He seems a lot more relaxed and willing to play the game a little bit. Little things, like his approach to interviews has been very different - he doesn't seem like 'a man with a fork in a world of soup' any more. For example, the Noisey interview, he is perfectly willing to play up to the interviewer and sell himself a little bit - the Coogan story in particular would never have been told 5-6 years ago.
Debbie knows her stuff and I think is doing a great job of managing him, hope he keeps it up! Do you think he's changed? If so what has been a contributing factor? Just that he DID tell that story 6 years ago! But I do think those past few years and having to face maybe being over as a "rock'n'roll star" did change him. He seems to be in a very good place at the moment, let's hope he stays there.
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 25, 2017 8:16:05 GMT -5
Seems like he's taken a leaf out of Noel's book where acting like a dick doesn't work when you're in your 40s. Really enjoying all his work right now from music to interviews. I think Debbie must be a massive factor behind it.
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Post by ricardogce on Jun 25, 2017 8:59:20 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who's just turned 40, the arrival of middle age forces you to take stock of your life. There are regrets when you look back at your early years and count the brilliant opportunities you wasted or took for granted (no matter how well life has treated you otherwise, there are always things you wish you had made more of), and the realization hits that there are fewer prime years left, so it's time to make them count, or there'll come a time real regret when the end arrives.
He seems to have set 50 as a tentative retirement age, based on his pointing out that at 44, he has some six years left in which to put out a couple of great albums. I fully expect him to keep going past then, but at the moment, he does seem to have set up a deadline for himself.
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Post by psj3809 on Jun 25, 2017 9:42:33 GMT -5
I think the lack of success with Beady Eye was a huge kick in the teeth to Liam obviously, then a few years of doing nothing probably really made things sink in.
He seems to be working harder, when he has a rest between gigs his voice is sounding great and not so 'kermitty'.
Really hope its a huge success, the magazines, NME, tv shows need someone like Liam who is often brutally honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 8:15:36 GMT -5
I think we're just seeing the real him in public now.
I've thought for ages now that the real Liam, the one the fans get to meet face to face and in his daily life was cooler than his mad fer it Liam persona that he's been putting on for the press/interviews etc for years.
He let his guard down a bit for the first Beady Eye album, I remember the Alan Carr show where he was being himself, witty, friendly and talkative. But I think the lack of success with DGSS and his more mellow vibe stung him and he tried acting like his younger self again, started drinking too much, neglecting his voice, doing all the shit that went on in the papers, abysmal gigs like Ibiza and T in the park etc.
Maybe he's just happier, I dunno, the way he's acting right now is a much better fit for him though.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 26, 2017 8:28:38 GMT -5
didn't we see Liam do a similar routine when promoting BE? He said the band was now taking things more seriously, cutting the fat and having a real modern producer in Dave Sitek after throwing Lillywhite under the bus for DGSS failures. He also mentioned all the time about getting into shape, drinking/smoking less to improve his voice. Some of those early BE interviews were brutally honest about DGSS. And like the BE promotions, he said he would walk away if he doesn't connect and build a larger audience. I'm seeing a lot of parallels.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 8:33:36 GMT -5
didn't we see Liam do a similar routine when promoting BE? He said the band was now taking things more seriously, cutting the fat and having a real modern producer in Dave Sitek after throwing Lillywhite under the bus for DGSS failures. He also mentioned all the time about getting into shape, drinking/smoking less to improve his voice. Some of those early BE interviews were brutally honest about DGSS. like the BE promotions, he said he would walk away if he doesn't connect and build a larger audience. I'm seeing a lot of parallels. To be fair he did walk away, from beady eye. If he walks away from being solo, there's no where else for him to go.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jun 26, 2017 8:34:39 GMT -5
didn't we see Liam do a similar routine when promoting BE? He said the band was now taking things more seriously, cutting the fat and having a real modern producer in Dave Sitek after throwing Lillywhite under the bus for DGSS failures. He also mentioned all the time about getting into shape, drinking/smoking less to improve his voice. Some of those early BE interviews were brutally honest about DGSS. And like the BE promotions, he said he would walk away if he doesn't connect and build a larger audience. I'm seeing a lot of parallels. Yeah, chances are he will go mental again by the end of this tour, it's still Liam afterall.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 26, 2017 8:37:06 GMT -5
didn't we see Liam do a similar routine when promoting BE? He said the band was now taking things more seriously, cutting the fat and having a real modern producer in Dave Sitek after throwing Lillywhite under the bus for DGSS failures. He also mentioned all the time about getting into shape, drinking/smoking less to improve his voice. Some of those early BE interviews were brutally honest about DGSS. like the BE promotions, he said he would walk away if he doesn't connect and build a larger audience. I'm seeing a lot of parallels. To be fair he did walk away, from beady eye. If he walks away from being solo, there's no where else for him to go. I didn't say he was lying or not being genuine, I was just comparing Liam from 2013 and Liam now. Very similar quotes and actions. We all were digging their vibe when promoting BE, getting more modern, being more honest about themselves and shortcomings. Playing a lot of acoustic gigs to showcase Liam's pipes. I just found it interesting when looking back at pre BE press/interviews.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 26, 2017 8:38:31 GMT -5
didn't we see Liam do a similar routine when promoting BE? He said the band was now taking things more seriously, cutting the fat and having a real modern producer in Dave Sitek after throwing Lillywhite under the bus for DGSS failures. He also mentioned all the time about getting into shape, drinking/smoking less to improve his voice. Some of those early BE interviews were brutally honest about DGSS. And like the BE promotions, he said he would walk away if he doesn't connect and build a larger audience. I'm seeing a lot of parallels. Yeah, chances are he will go mental again by the end of this tour, it's still Liam afterall. I think the only true way to answer the thread topic is to revisit in a year or so. Once the dust settles. For better or for worse. Way too early to make that call when nothing has transpired yet.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 26, 2017 9:19:23 GMT -5
Nah. Liam'll never change.
He's like an Elvis or Tom Jones, one of them cats. He knows who he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 9:25:28 GMT -5
To be fair he did walk away, from beady eye. If he walks away from being solo, there's no where else for him to go. I didn't say he was lying or not being genuine, I was just comparing Liam from 2013 and Liam now. Very similar quotes and actions. We all were digging their vibe when promoting BE, getting more modern, being more honest about themselves and shortcomings. Playing a lot of acoustic gigs to showcase Liam's pipes. I just found it interesting when looking back at pre BE press/interviews. No im sure he is being genuine. Im just pointing out that he did follow through with his threat last time and I've no doubt he will again if needed. I take your point that he is saying similar things but I think there is a big difference in Liams mindset. In beady eye i think he was in a bad place mentally after after oasis disintegrated and whatever he said publically he must have known the material wasn't the strongest and his voice was failing. I think he just tried to front it out because that's the only way he knew how to deal with it and it came across as moody and aggresive. This time I think he has more confidence in the material and also with the diagnosis of his thyroid condition knows that his voice isn't as fucked up as he must have feared. That must give him a lot more optimism.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 26, 2017 10:52:28 GMT -5
He always says that. He's not changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 11:53:21 GMT -5
I think he's just become more open. He's more willing to share vulnerability and not hide behind bravado so much. It's definitely good - he's a lot funnier when he's not doing his cartoon rock star thing.
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Post by joladella on Jun 26, 2017 12:11:39 GMT -5
A factor also might be that he is doing all interviews alone now, so no bandmates to distract and more time for the interviewer, if a good one, to dig deeper and get him to open up.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 26, 2017 12:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by eskat on Jun 26, 2017 14:25:55 GMT -5
People change with age, experience does that to all of us.
However, Liam has been a funny, nice, self-aware guy for quite a time now. Things go awry when he falls back to the familiar path of booze and drugs. And up until now that always happened by the end of a tour cycle.
Let's hope it will be different this time.
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Post by The Chief on Jun 26, 2017 15:38:36 GMT -5
This is the best version of Liam since the 2002-2007 era when Oasis kind of came back to life. It's also the best he's sounded live since the 90's. I'm really digging this version of Liam and I hope it lasts.
He definitely changed. Age yes but he explained it several times since he came back that he was in a kind of bubble with Oasis and Beady Eye and he forcibly came out of it when Beady Eye failed and he had to pick himself up to keep on doing what he loves. The fact that he's by himself must help I think. You can't go to the pub every night, write and support a record, do interviews and gigs when you're by yourself. Plus he definitely got serious about his voice. He was talking to Jo Whiley before Glastonbury saying he didn't drink or smoke before the gig to get it right.
Here's to hoping this attitude lasts! Liam still has his place in the music business!
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Post by akaidleroses on Jun 28, 2017 7:34:37 GMT -5
He has changed and it seems for the better. He's still and always will be prone to a bull in a china shop but he seems grounded, chilled out and in a better place. It's fantastic as a fan to see that his voice is going well, his comeback single was excellent and he seems to be coming round to the idea of being an elder statesman while maintaining his renegade outlaw persona.
Maybe Debbie is not Yoko after all and I would not be surprised although that many might not agree with me that he sits in a therapists office now and again to talk complete and utter stream of consciousness gibberish.
I could be way off but there's something new in him that may not just have come from his new missus, new tunes, illness diagnoses etc.
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Post by space75gr on Jul 1, 2017 0:45:09 GMT -5
I don't believe a guy like him can change a lot. He s a simple guy honest real with passion many time aggresive with big problems n a big sensitive heart. But now I believe that Debbie G made a great work with him, probably made him happy after many years n seems to help him a lot in every step. Probably his record company helps also a lot. He seems different but for people who follow him for years is the same gallagher we know. But now seems calmer funnier happier with probably the right people around him. N definitely more confident for first time in years. His voice is back, the hit is finally in, the press is with him N so are the people, the gigs were amazing N gave him more confidence. N still a rnr star n a lovely c*nt
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Post by liammuc on Jul 1, 2017 2:00:44 GMT -5
I like the fact that he takes care of his voice now. He talks about it in nearly every interview (the tea drinking, the honey etc.). It is almost like he was listening to some Oasis concerts lately from the Heathen Chemistry era and later and was shocked how bad he sounded live. I think he knows that his voice will never sound as good again as 1994-1997 because of all the damage he did to his voice but if he treats his voice with a lot of care its still good enough to do a proper Rock'N'Roll gig. And I think I am not the only one who likes how his voice sounds recently.
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Post by mostlyharmless on Jul 2, 2017 9:00:35 GMT -5
I think we're just seeing the real him in public now. I've thought for ages now that the real Liam, the one the fans get to meet face to face and in his daily life was cooler than his mad fer it Liam persona that he's been putting on for the press/interviews etc for years. Agreed. Among all the people who either worked or lived with Liam - bandmates, producers, his family, they always say Liam is lovely and funny, not the bad-tempered, arrogant dickhead he's been portrayed. Plus I never thought 'a man with a fork in a world of soup' is a fair comment, however because it's said by Noel, and it matches the general perception of Liam, people were easily sold "yeah see? even his brother said so". It's kinda sad, I don't think Noel honestly meant it, he just can't help belittling Liam in public. But who cares? People just need a smart line to fuel the banter train.
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Post by Flatulating Hallelujah on Jul 3, 2017 14:08:11 GMT -5
In short yes.
Less moody dick more Liam how he was at the start of Oasis.
Talkative interesting bloke.
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