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Post by spaneli on Feb 7, 2017 13:26:06 GMT -5
/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Sad because Arthur Blank is one of the most giving and down to earth owners out there. He's what Jerry Jones could be and thinks of himself as, but always falls short. And he's routinely rated as one of the best owners when it comes to treating employees and philanthropy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 8:57:07 GMT -5
sadly, i have a sinking feeling that jimmy's days in new england are numbered. and it will be a big mistake.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 8, 2017 15:47:18 GMT -5
sadly, i have a sinking feeling that jimmy's days in new england are numbered. and it will be a big mistake. Adam Schefter thinks Garappolo will end up on the Bears or the Browns......the Browns have the 1st pick and like the 11th pick in the first round, can see them trading their second pick for him.... ------ Need you to get one of these 'cinco' shirts, eva.... www.tb12store.com/collections/apparel/products/tb12-5-t-shirt?variant=34356250756Gracias.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 15:59:41 GMT -5
sadly, i have a sinking feeling that jimmy's days in new england are numbered. and it will be a big mistake. Adam Schefter thinks Garappolo will end up on the Bears or the Browns......the Browns have the 1st pick and like the 11th pick in the first round, can see them trading their second pick for him.... ------ Need you to get one of these 'cinco' shirts, eva.... www.tb12store.com/collections/apparel/products/tb12-5-t-shirt?variant=34356250756Gracias. if he is truly 'the next guy' and you, we, (well they) think he is a franchise quarterback, i'm not trading him for anything. to me, a franchise player at that position in that league is worth more than even a #1 pick. god bless.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2017 16:54:19 GMT -5
if he is truly 'the next guy' and you, we, (well they) think he is a franchise quarterback, i'm not trading him for anything. to me, a franchise player at that position in that league is worth more than even a #1 pick. god bless. I honestly don't want the Bears to trade for him. I'd rather get Johnathan Allen (which if the Patriots get him, then lord help the rest of the league). Allen is such a smart football player, an inside presence, and a good run stopper. He's a belicheck dream player. And I think he could solidify and give the Bears one of the best D lines in football (which already features Willie young, Leonard floyd, and hicks who all combined for about 21 sacks). I'd rather get a QB in the second round. The Bears have too many holes to be giving away extra draft picks for one position.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 8, 2017 16:59:40 GMT -5
I don't want to breakup the Wolf Pack but Jimmy G is gonna fetch New England a 1st and probably 3rd rounder. There is no better QB available in the draft or free agency. Jimmy G is ready to hit the ground running right away. Studied under the best, saw a million big games, performed well himself when called upon. He is young and hungry. Jimmy G we will miss you!!!!!
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2017 17:07:51 GMT -5
I don't want to breakup the Wolf Pack but Jimmy G is gonna fetch New England a 1st and probably 3rd rounder. There is no better QB available in the draft or free agency. Jimmy G is ready to hit the ground running right away. Studied under the best, saw a million big games, performed well himself when called upon. He is young and hungry. Jimmy G we will miss you!!!!! My fear with Jimmy, and it should be the fear for ANYONE trading for him, how much is his talent is him being on the Patriots with a genius for a coach? Is he ready to hit the ground running? With the patriots, yes. With another team? I don't know. He has such a small sample size. And the last time a QB from new England went off to another team to start was Matt Cassell, who was brilliant in his one year with New England (and had a larger sample size). The Patriots are in a perfect position. Even if they got the #11 pick from the Browns, they would probably be able to fetch someone like Kizer or Trebinski (if he falls that far), who within a few years in that system, could be just as good if not better than Jimmy. Not only that, they get an extra draft pick. So, either they keep a guy they feel good about, or they replace him with an extra draft pick to boot. The only suckers here are the Browns, Bears, or 49ers. Each would be an idiot to trade for jimmy, considering that none of them are close to winning and could stand to be back here next year to select a better QB than what's available now without giving up extra draft picks when they cannot afford to give any away.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 8, 2017 17:24:46 GMT -5
I don't want to breakup the Wolf Pack but Jimmy G is gonna fetch New England a 1st and probably 3rd rounder. There is no better QB available in the draft or free agency. Jimmy G is ready to hit the ground running right away. Studied under the best, saw a million big games, performed well himself when called upon. He is young and hungry. Jimmy G we will miss you!!!!! My fear with Jimmy, and it should be the fear for ANYONE trading for him, how much is his talent is him being on the Patriots with a genius for a coach? Is he ready to hit the ground running? With the patriots, yes. With another team? I don't know. He has such a small sample size. And the last time a QB from new England went off to another team to start was Matt Cassell, who was brilliant in his one year with New England (and had a larger sample size). The Patriots are in a perfect position. Even if they got the #11 pick from the Browns, they would probably be able to fetch someone like Kizer or Trebinski (if he falls that far), who within a few years in that system, could be just as good if not better than Jimmy. Not only that, they get an extra draft pick. So, either they keep a guy they feel good about, or they replace him with an extra draft pick to boot. The only suckers here are the Browns, Bears, or 49ers. Each would be an idiot to trade for jimmy, considering that none of them are close to winning and could stand to be back here next year to select a better QB than what's available now without giving up extra draft picks when they cannot afford to give any away. With any young QB taken in the draft, it's usually a hard adjustment. Not just in terms of learning to play QB in the NFL but get use to the NFL life. Jimmy has studied for the last 3 years. Saw 2 Super Bowl wins. He was highly regarded coming out of college, scouts always dug his form. I'm not sure the same was said for Cassel. He didn't even play one snap at USC. Jimmy G was a stud at Eastern Illinois. I know that probably doesn't mean much but at least the guy played well in college and his brief spots in the NFL. Somebody is gonna give New England exactly what they want. Most GMs are dumb asses and sink franchises faster than icebergs took out the Titanic. For example, the Colts GM 2 years ago decided to spend all their money on old man Frank Gore and Andre Johnson when what they really needed was extreme offensive line help. Protect Luck and he makes all his WRs better. Don't protect Luck and he will get hurt and struggle no matter what skill players he has. Now that GM is.........fired in Indianapolis. DeflateGate curse?
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2017 17:51:34 GMT -5
My fear with Jimmy, and it should be the fear for ANYONE trading for him, how much is his talent is him being on the Patriots with a genius for a coach? Is he ready to hit the ground running? With the patriots, yes. With another team? I don't know. He has such a small sample size. And the last time a QB from new England went off to another team to start was Matt Cassell, who was brilliant in his one year with New England (and had a larger sample size). The Patriots are in a perfect position. Even if they got the #11 pick from the Browns, they would probably be able to fetch someone like Kizer or Trebinski (if he falls that far), who within a few years in that system, could be just as good if not better than Jimmy. Not only that, they get an extra draft pick. So, either they keep a guy they feel good about, or they replace him with an extra draft pick to boot. The only suckers here are the Browns, Bears, or 49ers. Each would be an idiot to trade for jimmy, considering that none of them are close to winning and could stand to be back here next year to select a better QB than what's available now without giving up extra draft picks when they cannot afford to give any away. With any young QB taken in the draft, it's usually a hard adjustment. Not just in terms of learning to play QB in the NFL but get use to the NFL life. Jimmy has studied for the last 3 years. Saw 2 Super Bowl wins. He was highly regarded coming out of college, scouts always dug his form. I'm not sure the same was said for Cassel. He didn't even play one snap at USC. Jimmy G was a stud at Eastern Illinois. I know that probably doesn't mean much but at least the guy played well in college and his brief spots in the NFL. Somebody is gonna give New England exactly what they want. Most GMs are dumb asses and sink franchises faster than icebergs took out the Titanic. For example, the Colts GM 2 years ago decided to spend all their money on old man Frank Gore and Andre Johnson when what they really needed was extreme offensive line help. Protect Luck and he makes all his WRs better. Don't protect Luck and he will get hurt and struggle no matter what skill players he has. Now that GM is.........fired in Indianapolis. DeflateGate curse? Okay, let's not bring up Super Bowl wins like he won them That's not really a valid argument for or against Jimmy. Cassell had a pro bowl season with New England, which automatically negates any pluses for Jimmy or any accomplishments he had in college. In fact, its even more of a cautionary tale for trading for Jimmy. A guy who had a pro bowl season in the NFL, turned out to be a bust for any team not named the Patriots. What does that say for Jimmy who has even less of a sample size? In the end, Cassell played behind Carson Palmer and Matt Lienart at USC, so there's your reason for not starting. However, Jimmy came from Eastern Illinois, an extremely small school, in an extremely weak conference, where someone like Cassell would have started and thrived had he decided not to go to USC where the competition for his position was far greater than Jimmy had at Eastern Illinois. Also, Cassell had also sat behind Tom Brady for 3 years prior to starting. So, he had three years behind Brady, and a full year of starting in the NFL at a pro bowl level. Any team that trades for Jimmy is probably taking a far greater chance than either waiting till the second round to draft and to develop their own QB, because as I said, none of those teams are remotely close to winning, or waiting a year to get a better prospect. Trading for Jimmy is what you do when you think you're only one guy away. And those teams aren't one guy away. Makes no sense to trade for Jimmy when guys like Myles Garret and Jonathan Allen are out there. Guys who can solidify your weak defense more than Jimmy could solidify a weak offense with a lesser playbook than what's at New England.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 8, 2017 17:55:21 GMT -5
With any young QB taken in the draft, it's usually a hard adjustment. Not just in terms of learning to play QB in the NFL but get use to the NFL life. Jimmy has studied for the last 3 years. Saw 2 Super Bowl wins. He was highly regarded coming out of college, scouts always dug his form. I'm not sure the same was said for Cassel. He didn't even play one snap at USC. Jimmy G was a stud at Eastern Illinois. I know that probably doesn't mean much but at least the guy played well in college and his brief spots in the NFL. Somebody is gonna give New England exactly what they want. Most GMs are dumb asses and sink franchises faster than icebergs took out the Titanic. For example, the Colts GM 2 years ago decided to spend all their money on old man Frank Gore and Andre Johnson when what they really needed was extreme offensive line help. Protect Luck and he makes all his WRs better. Don't protect Luck and he will get hurt and struggle no matter what skill players he has. Now that GM is.........fired in Indianapolis. DeflateGate curse? Okay, let's not bring up Super Bowl wins like he won them That's not really a valid argument for or against Jimmy. Cassell had a pro bowl season with New England, which automatically negates any pluses for Jimmy or any accomplishments he had in college. In fact, its even more of a cautionary tale for trading for Jimmy. A guy who had a pro bowl season in the NFL, turned out to be a bust for any team not named the Patriots. What does that say for Jimmy who has even less of a sample size? In the end, Cassell played behind Carson Palmer and Matt Lienart at USC, so there's your reason for not starting. However, Jimmy came from Eastern Illinois, an extremely small school, in an extremely weak conference, where someone like Cassell would have started and thrived had he decided not to go to USC where the competition for his position was far greater than Jimmy had at Eastern Illinois. Also, Cassell had also sat behind Tom Brady for 3 years prior to starting. So, he had three years behind Brady, and a full year of starting in the NFL at a pro bowl level. Any team that trades for Jimmy is probably taking a far greater chance than either waiting till the second round to draft and to develop their own QB, because as I said, none of those teams are remotely close winning, or waiting a year to get a better prospect. Trading for Jimmy is what you do when you think you're only one guy away. And those teams aren't one guy away. I said he SAW 2 Super Bowl wins. Never said he played and my point is more to do with experience of it all. Learning from it and preparing for your day.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2017 17:59:38 GMT -5
Okay, let's not bring up Super Bowl wins like he won them That's not really a valid argument for or against Jimmy. Cassell had a pro bowl season with New England, which automatically negates any pluses for Jimmy or any accomplishments he had in college. In fact, its even more of a cautionary tale for trading for Jimmy. A guy who had a pro bowl season in the NFL, turned out to be a bust for any team not named the Patriots. What does that say for Jimmy who has even less of a sample size? In the end, Cassell played behind Carson Palmer and Matt Lienart at USC, so there's your reason for not starting. However, Jimmy came from Eastern Illinois, an extremely small school, in an extremely weak conference, where someone like Cassell would have started and thrived had he decided not to go to USC where the competition for his position was far greater than Jimmy had at Eastern Illinois. Also, Cassell had also sat behind Tom Brady for 3 years prior to starting. So, he had three years behind Brady, and a full year of starting in the NFL at a pro bowl level. Any team that trades for Jimmy is probably taking a far greater chance than either waiting till the second round to draft and to develop their own QB, because as I said, none of those teams are remotely close winning, or waiting a year to get a better prospect. Trading for Jimmy is what you do when you think you're only one guy away. And those teams aren't one guy away. I said he SAW 2 Super Bowl wins. Never said he played and my point is more to do with experience of it all. Learning from it and preparing for your day. There are 53 guys on the Patriots who prepared for a Super Bowl. That doesn't mean they should be starters. How many back-up QB's has New England had that prepared for Super Bowls? Where are those guys at right now? It's just not much of a plus, imo.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 8, 2017 18:07:19 GMT -5
I said he SAW 2 Super Bowl wins. Never said he played and my point is more to do with experience of it all. Learning from it and preparing for your day. There are 53 guys on the Patriots who prepared for a Super Bowl. That doesn't mean they should be starters. How many back-up QB's has New England had that prepared for Super Bowls? Where are those guys at right now? It's just not much of a plus, imo. I'm not sure why you are so up in arms about this. Jimmy is a well thought of backup QB around the league. He will be traded for some top picks. He's got the experience and been in the league for 3 years. I wish him the best. I hope he succeeds. Nice guy. Don't mean he will but his days in New England are numbered.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2017 18:33:45 GMT -5
There are 53 guys on the Patriots who prepared for a Super Bowl. That doesn't mean they should be starters. How many back-up QB's has New England had that prepared for Super Bowls? Where are those guys at right now? It's just not much of a plus, imo. I'm not sure why you are so up in arms about this. Jimmy is a well thought of backup QB around the league. He will be traded for some top picks. He's got the experience and been in the league for 3 years. I wish him the best. I hope he succeeds. Nice guy. Don't mean he will but his days in New England are numbered. I have a vested interest as a Bears fan
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 8, 2017 18:39:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure why you are so up in arms about this. Jimmy is a well thought of backup QB around the league. He will be traded for some top picks. He's got the experience and been in the league for 3 years. I wish him the best. I hope he succeeds. Nice guy. Don't mean he will but his days in New England are numbered. I have a vested interest as a Bears fan Believe in Jimmy G. BELIEVE!
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2017 18:44:22 GMT -5
I have a vested interest as a Bears fan Believe in Jimmy G. BELIEVE!I believe in Pat Mahomes. I think that guy is far and away the best QB in this draft, and he'll hopefully fall to the second round for the Bears to swoop in and get him. Quick release, good reading ability, and a deep accurate arm. If someone fixes his mechanics, the sky is the limit for that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 21:02:09 GMT -5
I said he SAW 2 Super Bowl wins. Never said he played and my point is more to do with experience of it all. Learning from it and preparing for your day. There are 53 guys on the Patriots who prepared for a Super Bowl. That doesn't mean they should be starters. How many back-up QB's has New England had that prepared for Super Bowls? Where are those guys at right now?
It's just not much of a plus, imo. how many of those guys were taken in the 2nd round like jimmy was? none. did you see him start the season against arizona? he shredded that defense to pieces. that was no backup qb out there, the kid can play.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2017 22:08:48 GMT -5
There are 53 guys on the Patriots who prepared for a Super Bowl. That doesn't mean they should be starters. How many back-up QB's has New England had that prepared for Super Bowls? Where are those guys at right now?
It's just not much of a plus, imo. how many of those guys were taken in the 2nd round like jimmy was? none. did you see him start the season against arizona? he shredded that defense to pieces. that was no backup qb out there, the kid can play. My point, is that him preparing for a couple super bowls means very little for trade value? Would you disagree? I don't envision that being one of the reasons a team jumps on him. And once again, Cassell played a whole season. As a comparison with Cassell, the question is how much is it Jimmy, and how much is it playing for one of the best franchises in football? Which a great performance against 1 team doesn't tell you. Lastly, as for him being drafted in the second round. I think I've heard that from somewhere before......Kevin Kolb maybe? A guy who was drafted in the second round, put up a few really good games, and was the QB behind another great QB, Donovan McNabb for a couple years before getting his chance at starting. All I'm saying, is that Jimmy is no greater or surer bet than a kid coming out of college. Mainly, because of a very limited sample size (I mean, he has started two games in his career I believe. That tells me nothing as to his readiness, nor does sitting on a bench for a few years. It just means that the Patriots know he can operate their system effectively, but it doesn't say he's any better than a college draft pick.). So where he was drafted, and who he shredded in his limited playing time is secondary. Is he worth two draft picks? Judging by history, not really. He has more value to the Patriots and their system, than any other team's. Edit: One last portion, a couple of scout talked about what others have said of Jimmy recently: “I have talked to a number of people who think the Patriots like Jacoby Brissett as much or more as Garoppolo,” he said. “Most likely, if the offer is right, he gets dealt.” “What was interesting to me was talking to a few GMs and scouts who said ‘You know, I don’t love Garoppolo,’” Arkush said. “ A lot of people believe that he’s another guy like Matt Cassel in that system or maybe a Nick Foles, who had the one year with Chip Kelly, or even RGIII with that rookie year in Washington, and that it’s possible Garoppolo could turn out to be just another guy and you don’t want to mortgage the future on him” “The majority like Garoppolo, but there’s a strong segment of people who don’t think he’s proven anything,” he said. “ They have tremendous doubts as to how much better of a prospect he is than the first three or four quarterbacks in this draft.” Mind you, Nick Foles was 3rd round draft pick, and a Pro Bowler. Any deal would be great for the Patriots, and Patriots fans are RIGHT to want what they want for Jimmy. They have a lot of leverage, but there's not much ACTUAL evidence that proves that Jimmy is as good or better than any QB in the current draft. I mean, put it like this, a few years ago the Bears mortgaged their whole future for a guy who was a pro bowler and at the time showed far more potential, had had far more playing time, and was far more physically talented than Jimmy. His name was Cutler. Some would scoff now, but Cutler was a better overall prospect (Mind you, Josh McDaniels was head coach of Dnever at the time, so it'd be another guy that people would be going after that he was willing to cut loose). Guys like Kolb, Cutler, Cassell, Foles (All four were Pro Bowlers at one point), are cautionary tales of how guys like Jimmy can go wrong very quickly. So, why risk 2-3 draft picks, when this year to select a QB, you only have to risk 1? I don't think the Browns, Bears, or 49ers are going to budge. I think the Jets want to, but if he gets traded to the Jets, a division rival, then that should tell anyone what the Patriots think of Jimmy's actual playing value.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 9, 2017 4:17:33 GMT -5
Garoppolo had the highest QBR in the league before he was injured against the Dolphins, can tell he can fling it by watching him play.....
Whatever team gets him is instantly gonna be better....hopefully he goes to the Browns, Browns fans, not the organization, deserve some good fortune.
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