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Post by rorymcbride on Dec 20, 2017 12:27:31 GMT -5
They sent out the distress beacon. Help will come in 9 from the outer rim like Leia said plus from within. The great return of Lando is upon us. And when Lando gets there all of his friends are dead. Welcome back!
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 20, 2017 20:26:11 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2017 20:33:27 GMT -5
Mark nailed it. Like him I initially had my issues with this new interpretation of Luke Skywalker. But I’ve warmed. Have no choice.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Dec 23, 2017 12:12:03 GMT -5
Just watched the last jedi and I cant understand why some people on the internet are whinging I thought it was amazing the luke arc was brilliant and the scene with leia was very emotional
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Dec 23, 2017 17:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 24, 2017 14:12:49 GMT -5
I liked it more than TFA, but I think they ruined Luke. Not only did they not use him to his full potential, they did not properly justify his decisions. It felt very out of character.
That's not always a bad thing. Take Walter White for example, everything he did was a bit out of character based on the man presented in episode 1. But the journey that took him to those decisions made sense most of the time. Those out of character moments then became the norm for Walter as he further discovered who he truly was (and so did we).
For Luke though, it's a very fragile journey that based on what we know from the OT, is entirely out of character in the sense that it doesn't quite make sense for him to make the decisions that he did. We as an audience are just forced to accept that they happened that way.
It's a real shame, because it could have worked if we were offered more context. A quarter of the movie could have been dedicated to taking us through the hardships and troubles that Luke would have faced when training the Jedi and how Ben grew darker as time went on. It could have been setup as a situation where Ben Skywalker started to twist the other students and even Luke himself because that's how strong Snoke's hold over Ben was. Maybe the presence of the darkside leads to Luke being slightly susceptible to Snoke's power too (in the same way Rey was in this movie). And in the briefest moment of weakness, Luke decides to Kill Ben through Snoke's persuasion. A master manipulation by Snoke, unknown to Ben. This of course breaks all ties including Ben's trust with Luke. Thus the resulting slaughter. I would have weaved these flashbacks between the instances of training Rey.
It's the age old "Show don't tell" that destroyed Luke's character in my opinion. Johnson just didn't want to show, other than some brief and bare flashbacks.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2017 14:37:53 GMT -5
I liked it more than TFA, but I think they ruined Luke. Not only did they not use him to his full potential, they did not properly justify his decisions. It felt very out of character. That's not always a bad thing. Take Walter White for example, everything he did was a bit out of character based on the man presented in episode 1. But the journey that took him to those decisions made sense most of the time. Those out of character moments then became the norm for Walter as he further discovered who he truly was (and so did we). For Luke though, it's a very fragile journey that based on what we know from the OT, is entirely out of character in the sense that it doesn't quite make sense for him to make the decisions that he did. We as an audience are just forced to accept that they happened that way. It's a real shame, because it could have worked if we were offered more context. A quarter of the movie could have been dedicated to taking us through the hardships and troubles that Luke would have faced when training the Jedi and how Ben grew darker as time went on. It could have been setup as a situation where Ben Skywalker started to twist the other students and even Luke himself because that's how strong Snoke's hold over Ben was. Maybe the presence of the darkside leads to Luke being slightly susceptible to Snoke's power too (in the same way Rey was in this movie). And in the briefest moment of weakness, Luke decides to Kill Ben through Snoke's persuasion. A master manipulation by Snoke, unknown to Ben. This of course breaks all ties including Ben's trust with Luke. Thus the resulting slaughter. I would have weaved these flashbacks between the instances of training Rey. It's the age old "Show don't tell" that destroyed Luke's character in my opinion. Johnson just didn't want to show, other than some brief and bare flashbacks. Considering Luke hasn’t been in a film in almost 35 years many of us were looking forward to this. We probably have all invented grand adventures for him in that time gap. I liked the explanation we got from JJ in TFA. Luke was training a new generation of students, One was corrupted slowly by Snoke (Ben Solo) Who behind Luke’s Back plotted against him and his fellow students. I’m totally down for a Ben ambush betrayal that results Luke going into hiding out of guilt that he let his fellow students down and helped create Darth Vader 2.0. I think more people would have been into that approach. It’s not as drastic as showing Luke sneaking into his nephews room in the middle of the night to murder him. That’s not the Luke any of us knew at all. It’s an extreme jump for the audience. We are already trying to get use to him being old and grumpy. Anyways that is not what happened and I’ve accepted it. It is what is is. Like Mark Hamill this feels like a different interpretation of the once mighty and noble Luke Skywalker.
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Post by dazed on Dec 24, 2017 14:43:43 GMT -5
seriously sick of fandom, remember what these idiots did to jake lloyd? the movie, i loved it, the kiss scene was out of nowhere and stuck out, aside from that, i thought it was brilliant, some people can bitch about anything
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 24, 2017 15:08:29 GMT -5
seriously sick of fandom, remember what these idiots did to jake lloyd? the movie, i loved it, the kiss scene was out of nowhere and stuck out, aside from that, i thought it was brilliant, some people can bitch about anything What they did to Jake Lloyd was terrible.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2017 17:41:45 GMT -5
seriously sick of fandom, remember what these idiots did to jake lloyd? the movie, i loved it, the kiss scene was out of nowhere and stuck out, aside from that, i thought it was brilliant, some people can bitch about anything
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 18:11:37 GMT -5
Saw the movie. It was alright, maybe too many "funny" jokes.
Snoke's death was a surprise tbh.
Finn and Rose didn't bring anything in this movie. If they had cut every scene from them it wouldn't have taken anything from the plot.
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Post by jordan71421 on Dec 25, 2017 18:15:29 GMT -5
Where the hell is Episode 9 gonna pick up at? Maybe a time gap like the OT, 2-3 years?
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Post by alka on Dec 30, 2017 13:39:13 GMT -5
I watched it. Didn't like it that much. I'm not gonna do a "review", just observations about the movie.
I didn't like:
- the plot holes, like the "oh we're running out of gas" yet never running out of gas thing - snoke dying in the second one is meh, they should've left his death to IX. - kylo ren and rey's force-powered skype calls were a bit confusing, what are we suppose to get from them? because from my perspective it seemed like the writers were trying to romanticize their relationship. - luke brain-farting so hard he died - mary poppins leia - matrix luke - pointless finn plot
i did like: - when r2d2 showed leia's message from Episode IV - kylo ren and rey fighting side by side for a moment - luke's wink - puppet yoda
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Post by fj on Jan 4, 2018 7:19:58 GMT -5
I loved TFA and Rogue One but I hated this movie. I was so disappointed when I left the theater.
Mark Hamill was absolutely right when he said this is not the Luke we all know and love.
#NotMyLukeSkywalker
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 4, 2018 8:03:01 GMT -5
As calculated as The Force Awakens is in terms of rehashing old ideas and beats from A New Hope, I feel so much joy and fun while watching that movie. The Last Jedi seems quite cold and I believe that comes from the way Rian Johnson wrote and directed the film. I don’t understand what they see in him. I feel like the script of TLJ was purposely meant to look down on the audience. And subverting audiences’ expectations just for the sake of subverting them, with nothing to actually offer story wise, seemed really narcissistic
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Post by bathqueen1 on Jan 4, 2018 9:40:33 GMT -5
I watched it. Didn't like it that much. I'm not gonna do a "review", just observations about the movie. I didn't like: - the plot holes, like the "oh we're running out of gas" yet never running out of gas thing - snoke dying in the second one is meh, they should've left his death to IX. - kylo ren and rey's force-powered skype calls were a bit confusing, what are we suppose to get from them? because from my perspective it seemed like the writers were trying to romanticize their relationship.- luke brain-farting so hard he died - mary poppins leia - matrix luke - pointless finn ploti did like: - when r2d2 showed leia's message from Episode IV - kylo ren and rey fighting side by side for a moment - luke's wink - puppet yoda While i think there were unnecesary mistakes with TLJ, i also feel that many fans miss something about Finns plot. for me that plot has 1 importance, it brings up a point that was NEVER brought up in star wars until that moment - DJ showing Finn that the previous ship owner was an arms dealer, who sold weapons to the bad guys.....AND THE GOOD GUYS. georges lucas star wars was VERY obvious about having only Heroes and villains. that prespective doesnt fit the era we are living in. and it connects abit to rey&kylo skype conversations. with kylo saying lets get rid of snoke, and also get rid of the jedis. no more "im on the right side" talks.
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 4, 2018 9:49:28 GMT -5
Where the hell is Episode 9 gonna pick up at? Maybe a time gap like the OT, 2-3 years? thats probably the best question. the last jedi feels like rian johnson didnt like most of JJs ideas, so he just got rid of them pretty fast in the movie but i dont know where they wanna go from there, this whole franchise is ruined for me. at this point i'm just so fucking happy that back to the future cant be ruined by a reboot
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 4, 2018 10:05:59 GMT -5
Where the hell is Episode 9 gonna pick up at? Maybe a time gap like the OT, 2-3 years? thats probably the best question. the last jedi feels like rian johnson didnt like most of JJs ideas, so he just got rid of them pretty fast in the movie but i dont know where they wanna go from there, this whole franchise is ruined for me. at this point i'm just so fucking happy that back to the future cant be ruined by a reboot I never thought I’d be as excited as I am for JJ Abrams to come back and direct this last Star Wars movie haha
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 4, 2018 11:55:33 GMT -5
Where the hell is Episode 9 gonna pick up at? Maybe a time gap like the OT, 2-3 years? Definitely a year or two down the line. Gotta reset the board for a moment. JJ is definitely gonna revisit Rey’s backstory. I don’t believe that is a done deal. Can we honestly trust Kylo? Could be manipulating her to join him and his own selfish desires. We shall see. Rian said one of his very first ideas for Last Jedi was the mirror cave and spend a ton of time creating that scene. For me currently it doesn’t make sense. Visiually it’s interesting but the payoff of her only seeing her self is puzzling. Luke had the same type of scene in Empire. That ended up being foreshadowing of Vader being his father. His own blood. Not sure what Rey’s own reflection back could mean. JJ is totally gonna go back to a more straight forward swashbuckling story.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 4, 2018 12:01:04 GMT -5
Where the hell is Episode 9 gonna pick up at? Maybe a time gap like the OT, 2-3 years? Definitely a year or two down the line. Gotta reset the board for a moment. JJ is definitely gonna revisit Rey’s backstory. I don’t believe that is a done deal. Can we honestly trust Kylo? Could be manipulating her to join him and his own selfish desires. We shall see. Rian said one of his very first ideas for Last Jedi was the mirror cave and spend a ton of time creating that scene. For me currently it doesn’t make sense. Visiually it’s interesting but the payoff of her only seeing her self is puzzling. Luke had the same type of scene in Empire. That ended up being foreshadowing of Vader being his father. His own blood. Not sure what Rey’s own reflection back could mean. JJ is totally gonna go back to a more straight forward swashbuckling story. A forward swashbuckling story is all Star Wars can be honestly, at least from what we’ve seen so far. That’s not a bad thing either. When Star Wars gets too bogged down in space politics, you get the prequels. If you avoid it completely and try to subvert audience expectations with no real substance to back it up, you get The Last Jedi. I’m hoping Episode 9 is similar in tone to The Force Awakens. I want it to be fun!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 8:36:36 GMT -5
My current ranking would be:
V IV VI III I II VII VIII
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jan 10, 2018 8:44:55 GMT -5
its kinda bad. felt more like an action/comedy than a sci-fi/adventure...everyone wants han solo's witty one liners. the prequels were better than either of disney's attempts, and thats saying something.
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Post by glider on Jan 10, 2018 15:01:51 GMT -5
LOL Disney
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 23, 2018 16:57:09 GMT -5
Fucking bobbins. Just like the last one (Rogue One, I mean). I'm done with Star Wars now. I'd consider watching an Obi-Wan movie with Ewan McGregor in, if they made one, but other than that? I'm out.
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I love Doctor Who and (some) James Bond films, so I'm not completely averse to cheese or campiness, but fucking 'ell!... Way too many cutesy alien things clogging up every shot, and white knight heroes willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause, and misjudged comic relief. Give me some fucking substance! And some characters who are fallible. And some dialogue that isn't generic and awkward.
I could hardly wait for it to end. But wait I did. A really long time.
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Post by mossy on Jan 29, 2018 10:08:36 GMT -5
It’s been a month now, but I’m still scratching my head wondering why Luke committed suicide doing his long distance force video conference call when he was sat next to an X-Wing that can teleport literally anywhere.
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