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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 5, 2020 17:16:15 GMT -5
Phil Collins is an incredibly talented artist. He's also immensely succesful, how is he underrated? |
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Post by matt on Aug 5, 2020 18:32:32 GMT -5
Phil Collins is an incredibly talented artist. He's also immensely succesful, how is he underrated? Phil Collins is a byword for MOR dad rock for many. I don’t know anything about his music to be fair but it seems to be the general (perhaps misguided) perception. |
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Post by matt on Aug 5, 2020 18:43:07 GMT -5
Can I put Paul Simon in there? Massively successful I know, but he just doesn’t seem to be put on the same pedestal as other great individual songwriters in America like Dylan, Springsteen, Neil Young, Brian Wilson (whose best work is collaborative anyway).
He’s a fine lyricist and of all of the above mentioned, he may even be the best melodist. Maybe more ‘unfashionable’ for the swinging sixties, maybe more ‘uncool’ than the others, but that doesn’t matter and his songs should hopefully just be as timeless. He’s elite category but often goes amiss in such discussions.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 6, 2020 14:03:44 GMT -5
Can I put Paul Simon in there? Massively successful I know, but he just doesn’t seem to be put on the same pedestal as other great individual songwriters in America like Dylan, Springsteen, Neil Young, Brian Wilson (whose best work is collaborative anyway). He’s a fine lyricist and of all of the above mentioned, he may even be the best melodist. Maybe more ‘unfashionable’ for the swinging sixties, maybe more ‘uncool’ than the others, but that doesn’t matter and his songs should hopefully just be as timeless. He’s elite category but often goes amiss in such discussions. Graceland is one of the best albums ever. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 6, 2020 15:10:54 GMT -5
He's also immensely succesful, how is he underrated? Phil Collins is a byword for MOR dad rock for many. I don’t know anything about his music to be fair but it seems to be the general (perhaps misguided) perception. I don't know a great deal about his solo music either than some bits and bobs, but I've been listening to quite a bit of Genesis lately and it was only then that I realized what a fantastic drummer Phil is. And there's no denying how great his vocals are on songs like Mama and Home by the sea. Technically he's a good singer (but I like his former Genesis colleague's voice better). Oh and In The Air Tonight, though overplayed, is still phenomenal. If that drum break doesn't make you want to air drum no matter where you are, I don't know what does. |
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Post by funhouse on Aug 6, 2020 15:50:59 GMT -5
Can I put Paul Simon in there? Massively successful I know, but he just doesn’t seem to be put on the same pedestal as other great individual songwriters in America like Dylan, Springsteen, Neil Young, Brian Wilson (whose best work is collaborative anyway). He’s a fine lyricist and of all of the above mentioned, he may even be the best melodist. Maybe more ‘unfashionable’ for the swinging sixties, maybe more ‘uncool’ than the others, but that doesn’t matter and his songs should hopefully just be as timeless. He’s elite category but often goes amiss in such discussions. I think that it to some degree is simply because people forget what kind of act Simon & Garfunkel actually was. I've listened to those songs all my life, but even I sometimes struggle to remember that it was *all* Paul Simon even then. The harmonies elevated the songs, and Garfunkel carried some of them with his incredible voice, but he didn't compose any songs, he didn't write any lyrics either. No one has claimed anything else and there's nothing wrong with that, but when you see the name of a duo the brain automatically tends to assume that there is at least some collaboration going on. I don't know if Paul Simon gives a shit, but his solo carreer would look better on paper if for example Kathy's Song didn't have "& Garfunkel" attached to it. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 6, 2020 16:35:06 GMT -5
Can I put Paul Simon in there? Massively successful I know, but he just doesn’t seem to be put on the same pedestal as other great individual songwriters in America like Dylan, Springsteen, Neil Young, Brian Wilson (whose best work is collaborative anyway). He’s a fine lyricist and of all of the above mentioned, he may even be the best melodist. Maybe more ‘unfashionable’ for the swinging sixties, maybe more ‘uncool’ than the others, but that doesn’t matter and his songs should hopefully just be as timeless. He’s elite category but often goes amiss in such discussions. I think that it to some degree is simply because people forget what kind of act Simon & Garfunkel actually was. I've listened to those songs all my life, but even I sometimes struggle to remember that it was *all* Paul Simon even then. The harmonies elevated the songs, and Garfunkel carried some of them with his incredible voice, but he didn't compose any songs, he didn't write any lyrics either. No one has claimed anything else and there's nothing wrong with that, but when you see the name of a duo the brain automatically tends to assume that there is at least some collaboration going on. I don't know if Paul Simon gives a shit, but his solo carreer would look better on paper if for example Kathy's Song didn't have "& Garfunkel" attached to it. He gives a shit. When Art Garfunkel would perform Bridge over troubled water Paul Simon would stand at the wings of the stage watching and he'd feel jealous that he let Garfunkel perform it on his own. He also felt Garfunkel should have mentioned that it was a song by Paul Simon, so it seems to me that he was afraid people would assume Garfunkel wrote it as he also sung it. |
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 1, 2020 13:25:05 GMT -5
Doves
Echo And The Bunnymen
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Feeder
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 1, 2020 14:33:59 GMT -5
Ride
Genghar
Glass Animals
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Post by Manualex on Sept 1, 2020 23:07:27 GMT -5
I only know their song Youth, which is great. What other songs to check out by Glass Animales? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 2, 2020 4:52:11 GMT -5
I only know their song Youth, which is great. What other songs to check out by Glass Animales? I'd say Toes, Black Mambo, Pools, Pork Soda, Agnes, Hazey They've got a new record out as well which is really good, Heat Waves, Waterfalls Coming Out Your Mouth and It's all So Incredibly Loud are the standout tracks for me But I'd suggest to check out everything as they're a rock solid album band, and they've made just three |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 5:35:34 GMT -5
Teenage Fanclub.
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Post by lahaine on Sept 17, 2020 5:03:16 GMT -5
Sadly badly neglected imo. Bandwagonesque and Grand Prix are two of the greatest albums from the 90's. Alvvays are big supporters of them, did you get to know about them through them Lubeck?. Other bands The Coral Prefab Sprout The Go Betweens Whipping Boy The Undertones The Wannadies Doves Supergrass |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 5:10:03 GMT -5
Sadly badly neglected imo. Bandwagonesque and Grand Prix are two of the greatest albums from the 90's. Alvvays are big supporters of them, did you get to know about them through them Lubeck?. Other bands The Coral Prefab Sprout The Go Betweens Whipping Boy The Undertones The Wannadies Doves Supergrass Nope, I discovered them a few years ago via a post on another forum iirc. Around the same time I discovered Alvvays I think. It's awesome Alvvays are fan of Teenage Fanclub though. Norman even worked with them a bit on "Antisocialites". And I'll add "Songs From Northern Britain" as one of the best 90's albums. Some amazing tunes on it  |
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2020 9:42:06 GMT -5
Idlewild
100 Broken Windows is one of the best albums of the 2000s.
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Post by lahaine on Sept 18, 2020 2:51:04 GMT -5
Idlewild 100 Broken Windows is one of the best albums of the 2000s. It's a weird one with them they were touted as British R.E.M, but they needed that album to take them to the next level but just never came with diminishing results with the following albums. They kind of lost what made them special in the first place. But agree 100 Broken windows is a great album. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 11:02:46 GMT -5
Sparklehorse. Ok, it's a bit cheating, since it's pretty much a Mark Linkous solo project. Anyway, "It's A Wonderful Life" is one of the most beautiful (but also depressing) records I have ever heard. Everything on that album seems brimmed with pure beauty. If you haven't heard it already, give it a listen.
The rest of his discography is great too.
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Post by plaskins1 on Sept 19, 2020 16:22:49 GMT -5
Gomez
The Coral
Reverend and the Makers
BRMC
Ocean Colour Scene
Miles Kane
eels
Maybe last two are solo artists and not bands?
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Post by matt on Sept 19, 2020 16:35:22 GMT -5
Idlewild 100 Broken Windows is one of the best albums of the 2000s. It's a weird one with them they were touted as British R.E.M, but they needed that album to take them to the next level but just never came with diminishing results with the following albums. They kind of lost what made them special in the first place. But agree 100 Broken windows is a great album. The Remote Part was excellent, probably the closest they got to wide exposure and I liked all their albums up to and including Post Electric Blues in 2009 (haven't given their most recent two albums a proper spin but on first listen they never did anything for me). I prefer Roddy's solo work these days to recent albums. The thing that did it for them was lack of professionalism that Roddy Woomble admitted. Its quite interesting seeing the parallels with Coldplay. They were label mates on Parlaphone with them. They toured with them, were the exact same age, released albums the same year and Parlaphone saw the two bands as their biggest potential assets in the early 2000s. Although the albums they released alongside Coldplay received the same level of acclaim, Idlewild's inner band tensions screwed it up. Lack of effort in properly promoting themselves, failed gigs and numerous punch ups made sure they weren't going to be massive. Interestingly, Woomble said Coldplay's professionalism transferred to their music making and the two bands attitudes were light years apart, hence Idlewilds failure to make it big. |
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 19, 2020 17:49:14 GMT -5
Talk Talk they made some great records in the 80s like Today, Talk Talk, Life's What You Make It, It's My Life and Such A Shame. I used to love their animal videos as well.
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Post by garys on Sept 20, 2020 6:31:40 GMT -5
Waaaay too many people say "who?" or "oh, the hockey song guys"whenever I bring up the Fratellis, my #2 after the mighty Oasis.
Half Drunk Under A Full Moon album is brilliant.
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Post by lahaine on Sept 20, 2020 17:12:00 GMT -5
Gomez The Coral Reverend and the Makers BRMC Ocean Colour Scene Miles Kane eels Maybe last two are solo artists and not bands? BRMC kind of lost their appeal with a large audience from their first album after the second album, which I like but was met with massive shrug when it was released. They never got that early love back from a large audience but they still have a loyal following. The Coral, it's a weird one with them cause they are still highly respected and have a very loyal following. But after maybe Roots and Echoes in 2007, they lost a bit of their mainstream appeal. It's a shame cause their following albums are pretty damn good. Reverend and the Makers, I totally forgot about them after their debut and I only noticed them cause they were Alex Turner mates from Sheffield. I don't know if Miles Kane is underrated, he's got the Last Shadow Puppets with Alex Turner with two number 1 albums and his tours do pretty well. His solo work doesn't do as well as his Puppet's album's but his album's get a lot of love from a indie audience. Ocean Colour Scene, I think once the Britpop era came to a end they kind of became a bit of a laughing stock with critic's and commercial appeal went down the toilet. But those guy's can still do 5,000 theatre/Arenas every year and sell out. I remember they sold out over here in Ireland three nights in the Olympia, which fits in around 2,000 people, a week before Christmas and anytime they tour they sell out. Moseley Shoal's is still highly rated by a lot of fan's from that time. To be fair, Gomez probably have become more popular again over the last two or so years with the recent reissues of their first two albums and did big sell outs for their tour. They've won over a lot of new fans and they got a lot big acclaim with new critics. I don't think they are underrated anymore. |
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Post by lahaine on Sept 20, 2020 17:22:04 GMT -5
Waaaay too many people say "who?" or "oh, the hockey song guys"whenever I bring up the Fratellis, my #2 after the mighty Oasis. Half Drunk Under A Full Moon album is brilliant. It's weird I saw them here in Dublin at the Costello Music era period and they played in front of 5,000 people at a concert and sold it out. Chelsea Dagger is bona fide classic at this point. Other songs like Henrietta, Whistle for the Choir and Baby Fratelli got a lot of airplay on radio. This was around 2007. They did well in America with that album too I believe. I saw them 10 years later, in front of 500 people (it wasn't sold out). A lot of people there didn't react to anything besides the first album stuff. They were pretty damn good live still but it was a massive fall for them after the first album. The Second album lacked big hit's really, and really their next albums as well didn't have Chelsea Dagger big monster hit. But they can pull in a big audience in Scotland and I'm sure they'd do well with tours but they just didn't have that album after their first that matched it in terms of big radio hits. |
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Post by 2nz on Sept 21, 2020 9:53:08 GMT -5
Fratellis first album is great from start to finish, but could never capitalise on that.
Nice to see some love for Whipping Boy there- love Heartworm.
Hope of the States
Death Cab for Cutie
Phoenix
the Thrills
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Post by garys on Sept 21, 2020 18:01:09 GMT -5
Waaaay too many people say "who?" or "oh, the hockey song guys"whenever I bring up the Fratellis, my #2 after the mighty Oasis. Half Drunk Under A Full Moon album is brilliant. It's weird I saw them here in Dublin at the Costello Music era period and they played in front of 5,000 people at a concert and sold it out. Chelsea Dagger is bona fide classic at this point. Other songs like Henrietta, Whistle for the Choir and Baby Fratelli got a lot of airplay on radio. This was around 2007. They did well in America with that album too I believe. I saw them 10 years later, in front of 500 people (it wasn't sold out). A lot of people there didn't react to anything besides the first album stuff. They were pretty damn good live still but it was a massive fall for them after the first album. The Second album lacked big hit's really, and really their next albums as well didn't have Chelsea Dagger big monster hit. But they can pull in a big audience in Scotland and I'm sure they'd do well with tours but they just didn't have that album after their first that matched it in terms of big radio hits. Definitely..and taking a break after Here We Stand didn't help either. I think they've matured with every album and become more of an album oriented band which doesn't really help on the charts. Jon's songwriting is phenomenal and continues to progress. I still find a common thread in all their work that traces back to Costello Music. Half Drunk is one of the best albums I've heard in years, shame the official release has been pushed back yet again. In many ways it's a sequel to In Your Own Sweet Time, story threads and characters from songs like Starcrossed Losers & I Am That are picked up again on Half Drunk. That's another thing I've always loved about them, some characters keep popping up, Miss Dagger, Lupe Brown, Ella. Cheers |
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