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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 12, 2017 10:23:31 GMT -5
Burnley were excellent.
Gap down to 10 points. Title challenge? Hmmm.....
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 12, 2017 19:14:27 GMT -5
A Liverpool win would be nice later today (vs Spurs) In all honesty, if any of the surrounding teams are still in contention, then surely we are too considering we have around the same points as our immediate competitors. (Mind you, I think 12 pts adrift is too much, especially with a strong Chelsea, but just stating a fact above.....) matt, et. al. Nah, at the moment it's a massive fight between Arsenal, City, Spurs, Liverpool and Utd as to who can squeeze in the top four. No chance Chelsea are going to lose. It's all about whose going to miss out, and at the moment I'd say Liverpool even if Klopp did punch above their weight earlier this season (really, on paper, they don't have that good a squad - the others quality will shine through in the end I think). Gap down to 10. If you don't believe, whether a fan, player, or manager, you may as well not follow the sport. Believing is a big part of it all.
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Post by matt on Feb 12, 2017 19:28:39 GMT -5
Nah, at the moment it's a massive fight between Arsenal, City, Spurs, Liverpool and Utd as to who can squeeze in the top four. No chance Chelsea are going to lose. It's all about whose going to miss out, and at the moment I'd say Liverpool even if Klopp did punch above their weight earlier this season (really, on paper, they don't have that good a squad - the others quality will shine through in the end I think). Gap down to 10. If you don't believe, whether a fan, player, or manager, you may as well not follow the sport. Believing is a big part of it all. But history doesn't dictate that!! It's not about believing in your own team solely, but seeing it for what it is and I just don't think Chelsea are vulnerable to collapse. I'm shocked to see them drop any points. For sure, they collapsed last year but that was solely down to Mourinho's nervous breakdown. And besides, Conte's a better manager than Mourinho these days so he's stepped up the quality a level further from when they won it with him in 2015. They also don't have European competition unlike Arsenal, City and United so you'd expect them to capitalise on extra preparation time - and that they have done so. I'd love to see Wenger win it one more time, would be a nostalgic thing but realistically I just can't see it. There's nothing wrong with Wenger laying the foundations for the next coach to come in - a few young talents coming through the academy which is providing them with depth but they also need to sign/retain quality.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Feb 13, 2017 6:59:42 GMT -5
Nah, at the moment it's a massive fight between Arsenal, City, Spurs, Liverpool and Utd as to who can squeeze in the top four. No chance Chelsea are going to lose. It's all about whose going to miss out, and at the moment I'd say Liverpool even if Klopp did punch above their weight earlier this season (really, on paper, they don't have that good a squad - the others quality will shine through in the end I think). Gap down to 10. If you don't believe, whether a fan, player, or manager, you may as well not follow the sport. Believing is a big part of it all. total bollocks. believing is for fans/players of a particular team, fair enough, but im a fan of the game. doesnt really bother me who wins the match/championship. im more interested in the actual football being played...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 13, 2017 20:01:52 GMT -5
It's a good thing Citeh won today. Chelsea now have at least some slight pressure (8pt lead). Which means we may have an opening to get back in it as their pressure may lead to unexpected slip ups.
Keep the faith.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 23, 2017 18:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 23, 2017 18:39:31 GMT -5
:facepalm:
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 23, 2017 20:53:50 GMT -5
They aren't in the relegation zone yet. Weird time to do it, they should have done it either straight away in the new year or after the second leg in the champions league. Not after a decent second half display that's given them a chance. Sacking him might bring your assumption about.
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Post by godgimmesoul on Feb 23, 2017 23:31:38 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Feb 24, 2017 9:21:00 GMT -5
Crocodile tears/humblebrag from Mourinho, considering he constantly taunted Ranieri during his time in Italy. Or maybe he just empathises after he fucked up Chelsea.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 24, 2017 10:23:43 GMT -5
Just an objective question as I currently don't have an opinion either way:
Did Mourinho fuck up his Chelsea legacy by destroying Chelsea last season?
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Post by sgtpeppr on Feb 24, 2017 10:53:13 GMT -5
Just an objective question as I currently don't have an opinion either way: Did Mourinho fuck up his Chelsea legacy by destroying Chelsea last season? probably not. he did too much for one season to ruin a legacy...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 7, 2017 10:44:56 GMT -5
In all honesty: Chelsea more than deserve the Title. Runaway winners again. No one will catch them now. And we (Arsenal) deserve 5th and below Spurs (although we'll scramble to 4th, bc that's what we do) What a terrible season. matt, your thoughts on the above?
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Post by My Big Name on Mar 7, 2017 11:15:19 GMT -5
Being a city fan this season has been the worst. In terms of our position it's not so bad but I can't help but marvel at what could've been, after those 8 unbeaten games we completely lost it for some reason. It all seemed to start with the Celtic game and just got worse against Tottenham.
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Post by matt on Mar 7, 2017 16:30:58 GMT -5
In all honesty: Chelsea more than deserve the Title. Runaway winners again. No one will catch them now. And we (Arsenal) deserve 5th and below Spurs (although we'll scramble to 4th, bc that's what we do) What a terrible season. matt, your thoughts on the above? Yes, pretty much agree. Even 4th might not be good enough (as I think Man Utd are clear favourites to win the Europa League meaning the fourth place in the Champions League will go to them).
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Post by godgimmesoul on Mar 7, 2017 16:33:14 GMT -5
In all honesty: Chelsea more than deserve the Title. Runaway winners again. No one will catch them now. And we (Arsenal) deserve 5th and below Spurs (although we'll scramble to 4th, bc that's what we do) What a terrible season. matt, your thoughts on the above? Yes, pretty much agree. Even 4th might not be good enough (as I think Man Utd are clear favourites to win the Europa League meaning the fourth place in the Champions League will go to them). If United win the Europa league and finish 5th/6th, the top 4 still qualify for the CL. England will have 5 representatives next season.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 9, 2017 15:52:34 GMT -5
Arsene Wenger reminds me of George W. Bush - highly successful and effective early on is his tenure, but for a slow decline of resulting (and at times, unfairly) vast criticism and derision towards his end. Both yet deservant of respect for various of reasons. I like George W. Bush And I like Arsene Wenger (IThe infallible fallibles) The analysis is in the silence (plus, I couldn't be arsed to write this as a dissertation. But the similarities are there). matt
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Post by matt on Mar 11, 2017 21:16:31 GMT -5
Arsene Wenger reminds me of George W. Bush - highly successful and effective early on is his tenure, but for a slow decline of resulting (and at times, unfairly) vast criticism and derision towards his end. Both yet deservant of respect for various of reasons. I like George W. Bush And I like Arsene Wenger (IThe infallible fallibles) The analysis is in the silence (plus, I couldn't be arsed to write this as a dissertation. But the similarities are there). mattI hardly think Wenger's decline is tantamount to Bush! Arsenal fans will have to be careful what they wish for. Many folk suggest it, but I've got to the stage where I don't think the situation is comparable to the Ferguson scenario when he retired - Man Utd are too big to fail and will always be competitive. Whatever position they are in the league (6th), I feel it's a temporary blip and they will soon fire on all cylinders. The situation with Wenger is much more grave than that - it's actually similar to Liverpool in 09/10. Many fans were getting fed up with Benitez and his lack of trophies, he was promptly sacked and Hodgson was brought in as a 'safe pair of hands'. This 'safe pair of hands' was sacked within 6 months with Liverpool lingering around relegation. It set them back, and aside from one paltry return to the Champions League in 14/15, they still haven't recovered from it. Arsenal's finances may be superior to Liverpool's when they let Benitez go, but the competition has become much more fierce. If Simeone for example is queuing up for the job, then fine I understand the protests for Wenger to go, but if it's not, then it's a massive risk. Time and time again, Arsenal fans shout for him to go, but don't have an answer as to who should replace him.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 12, 2017 16:59:50 GMT -5
Arsene Wenger reminds me of George W. Bush - highly successful and effective early on is his tenure, but for a slow decline of resulting (and at times, unfairly) vast criticism and derision towards his end. Both yet deservant of respect for various of reasons. I like George W. Bush And I like Arsene Wenger (IThe infallible fallibles) The analysis is in the silence (plus, I couldn't be arsed to write this as a dissertation. But the similarities are there). mattI hardly think Wenger's decline is tantamount to Bush! Arsenal fans will have to be careful what they wish for. Many folk suggest it, but I've got to the stage where I don't think the situation is comparable to the Ferguson scenario when he retired - Man Utd are too big to fail and will always be competitive. Whatever position they are in the league (6th), I feel it's a temporary blip and they will soon fire on all cylinders. The situation with Wenger is much more grave than that - it's actually similar to Liverpool in 09/10. Many fans were getting fed up with Benitez and his lack of trophies, he was promptly sacked and Hodgson was brought in as a 'safe pair of hands'. This 'safe pair of hands' was sacked within 6 months with Liverpool lingering around relegation. It set them back, and aside from one paltry return to the Champions League in 14/15, they still haven't recovered from it. Arsenal's finances may be superior to Liverpool's when they let Benitez go, but the competition has become much more fierce. If Simeone for example is queuing up for the job, then fine I understand the protests for Wenger to go, but if it's not, then it's a massive risk. Time and time again, Arsenal fans shout for him to go, but don't have an answer as to who should replace him. I actually think AW has decided to stay and to sign that 2 year contract. But there's no way in hell he can sign and announced it in current mood, so he's waiting on Arsenal to go on a run of poisitivecfesuots, taking us into End of April or May and then signs. I think it's quite obvious he staying .
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Post by matt on Mar 12, 2017 17:09:35 GMT -5
I hardly think Wenger's decline is tantamount to Bush! Arsenal fans will have to be careful what they wish for. Many folk suggest it, but I've got to the stage where I don't think the situation is comparable to the Ferguson scenario when he retired - Man Utd are too big to fail and will always be competitive. Whatever position they are in the league (6th), I feel it's a temporary blip and they will soon fire on all cylinders. The situation with Wenger is much more grave than that - it's actually similar to Liverpool in 09/10. Many fans were getting fed up with Benitez and his lack of trophies, he was promptly sacked and Hodgson was brought in as a 'safe pair of hands'. This 'safe pair of hands' was sacked within 6 months with Liverpool lingering around relegation. It set them back, and aside from one paltry return to the Champions League in 14/15, they still haven't recovered from it. Arsenal's finances may be superior to Liverpool's when they let Benitez go, but the competition has become much more fierce. If Simeone for example is queuing up for the job, then fine I understand the protests for Wenger to go, but if it's not, then it's a massive risk. Time and time again, Arsenal fans shout for him to go, but don't have an answer as to who should replace him. I actually think AW has decided to stay and to sign that 2 year contract. But there's no way in hell he can sign and announced it in current mood, so he's waiting on Arsenal to go on a run of poisitivecfesuots, taking us into End of April or May and then signs. I think it's quite obvious he staying . Yeah I think so - nobody's lined up so surely the Arsenal board wouldn't be so stupid as to not have any succession plans.....
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Post by jakob61907 on Mar 13, 2017 4:00:36 GMT -5
I actually think AW has decided to stay and to sign that 2 year contract. But there's no way in hell he can sign and announced it in current mood, so he's waiting on Arsenal to go on a run of poisitivecfesuots, taking us into End of April or May and then signs. I think it's quite obvious he staying . Yeah I think so - nobody's lined up so surely the Arsenal board wouldn't be so stupid as to not have any succession plans..... If they fail to make top 4 I think he's gone... The majority of Arsenal fans now want a change so I think failing to make Champions League would make the boards mind up.
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Post by matt on Mar 13, 2017 11:24:02 GMT -5
Yeah I think so - nobody's lined up so surely the Arsenal board wouldn't be so stupid as to not have any succession plans..... If they fail to make top 4 I think he's gone... The majority of Arsenal fans now want a change so I think failing to make Champions League would make the boards mind up. Yeah, I think his position would become untenable to most fans.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Mar 13, 2017 12:03:16 GMT -5
wenger will leave when he wants to. the fans have no voice in the decision at all...the board doesnt care what the fans think they want.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 14, 2017 7:02:43 GMT -5
What this league shows is that Chelsea are way above everyone else.
All the other big teams are mediocre for various of reasons.
If you remove Chelsea, you would have one hell of a title race:
2. Tottenham, 56 pts 5. Arsenal, 50 pts (game in hand)
Fuck Chelsea for destroying the excitement of this year's season.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Mar 14, 2017 7:48:39 GMT -5
wenger will leave when he wants to. the fans have no voice in the decision at all...the board doesnt care what the fans think they want. The board doesn't care because AW delivers CL football year after year. As soon as he doesn't they will begin to sit up and take notice.
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