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Post by girllikeabomb on May 27, 2021 13:23:03 GMT -5
The question is has Liam had the vaccine. Mind you, he's not against wearing a face mask but who knows. He's completely welcome to keep that personal information private ... there's just no need whatsoever at this perilous moment in the fight to end this f**king thing for him to exert his considerable influence on his many young fans on this subject. He could just say nothing; pretty easy. His twitter replies now include people deciding against taking the vaccine because he made it OK for them. The thing about freedom is that venues around the world are also entirely free to not hold shows if infection rates start soaring among the unvaccinated in the Fall. The way out here is so glaringly obvious it's almost ridiculous. High vaccination rates have all but decimated the virus in California. We've watched it happen almost overnight So, sure, he can make whatever decision is right for him (and his love for others), but why tap into the power of your celebrity to make things worse than they could be. Alas.
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Post by Derrick on May 27, 2021 13:37:12 GMT -5
Anyone saw his now-deleted tweet of yesterday, replying to a tweet from Noel's official account? What did he write?
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Post by Supersonic on May 27, 2021 13:37:52 GMT -5
Anyone saw his now-deleted tweet of yesterday, replying to a tweet from Noel's official account? What did he write? "Why are you such a massive c***"
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Post by parkamonkey93 on May 27, 2021 13:54:38 GMT -5
He needs to make a wildlife documentary I'd watch it if he made one.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 27, 2021 16:28:35 GMT -5
The question is has Liam had the vaccine. Mind you, he's not against wearing a face mask but who knows. Think he has to, isn't it mandatory for performers?
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Post by The Escapist on May 27, 2021 16:36:15 GMT -5
Wonderwall Dude makes me laugh every time lol
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 27, 2021 16:58:28 GMT -5
The question is has Liam had the vaccine. Mind you, he's not against wearing a face mask but who knows. Think he has to, isn't it mandatory for performers? It's not mandated at all by the government. However, venues can set rules (since they're the ones who carry some liability.) Some venues in the US are asking that all performers and crew be vaccinated. Others allow you the option of being tested prior to a performance, though I think this will become an annoyance that no one will want to have to keep doing. Most film and television studios are asking all cast, crew and talk show guests to get vaccinated (which affects musicians as well -- or it will when they are back to touring the world.)
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 5:38:34 GMT -5
childish but funny
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Post by tiger40 on May 28, 2021 12:35:54 GMT -5
The question is has Liam had the vaccine. Mind you, he's not against wearing a face mask but who knows. He's completely welcome to keep that personal information private ... there's just no need whatsoever at this perilous moment in the fight to end this f**king thing for him to exert his considerable influence on his many young fans on this subject. He could just say nothing; pretty easy. His twitter replies now include people deciding against taking the vaccine because he made it OK for them. The thing about freedom is that venues around the world are also entirely free to not hold shows if infection rates start soaring among the unvaccinated in the Fall. The way out here is so glaringly obvious it's almost ridiculous. High vaccination rates have all but decimated the virus in California. We've watched it happen almost overnight So, sure, he can make whatever decision is right for him (and his love for others), but why tap into the power of your celebrity to make things worse than they could be. Alas. Oh I didn't mean to sound like he wasn't entitled to keep his personal information to himself. I just wondered if he'd had the vaccine that's all.
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Post by tiger40 on May 28, 2021 12:38:17 GMT -5
The question is has Liam had the vaccine. Mind you, he's not against wearing a face mask but who knows. Think he has to, isn't it mandatory for performers? I think that Girl Like A Bomb has cleared up the answer for us. But to be honest I wouldn't have known .
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Post by jh on May 28, 2021 12:46:23 GMT -5
It's becoming pretty yawn boring now to be honest. Neither has anything to gain anymore with it.A few times I read Liam's posts and they've been on point and genuinely funny. This comes across a little pathetic. The response to the question mentioning his mam is funnier than the direct stab.
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 28, 2021 14:50:20 GMT -5
He's completely welcome to keep that personal information private ... there's just no need whatsoever at this perilous moment in the fight to end this f**king thing for him to exert his considerable influence on his many young fans on this subject. He could just say nothing; pretty easy. His twitter replies now include people deciding against taking the vaccine because he made it OK for them. The thing about freedom is that venues around the world are also entirely free to not hold shows if infection rates start soaring among the unvaccinated in the Fall. The way out here is so glaringly obvious it's almost ridiculous. High vaccination rates have all but decimated the virus in California. We've watched it happen almost overnight So, sure, he can make whatever decision is right for him (and his love for others), but why tap into the power of your celebrity to make things worse than they could be. Alas. Oh I didn't mean to sound like he wasn't entitled to keep his personal information to himself. I just wondered if he'd had the vaccine that's all. tiger40, I apologize if you thought any of my annoyance was directed at you! It was totally aimed at the tweet. Liam will be Liam of course. Usually, I just get a laugh from his cheeky, pointed, often ridiculous, tweets aimed at his brother or puncturing the egos of other people who have plenty of power. Just not a fan when it's something that actually harms people who have no power. (And it wasn't even a brave tweet -- he didn't take any real position, though I've long suspected he has one, just added confusion to a situation that is already confused and to do with science not political opinion.) I'd far rather he'd deleted that tweet than the one calling Noel what everyone already knows he calls him . That's just a bunch of boyish banter when they both have records to be sold ... cha-ching. Just depressing (for me) to watch every crackpot conspiracy theorist coming out of the woodwork to tag Liam ever since. Anyway, now he'll go to Porto and he'll have moved on from the conversation (but those who see him as an ally to their cause will continue to see him that way.) Just weird and messed-up times all around, hahaha!
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Post by tiger40 on May 29, 2021 12:44:09 GMT -5
Oh I didn't mean to sound like he wasn't entitled to keep his personal information to himself. I just wondered if he'd had the vaccine that's all. tiger40 , I apologize if you thought any of my annoyance was directed at you! It was totally aimed at the tweet. Liam will be Liam of course. Usually, I just get a laugh from his cheeky, pointed, often ridiculous, tweets aimed at his brother or puncturing the egos of other people who have plenty of power. Just not a fan when it's something that actually harms people who have no power. (And it wasn't even a brave tweet -- he didn't take any real position, though I've long suspected he has one, just added confusion to a situation that is already confused and to do with science not political opinion.) I'd far rather he'd deleted that tweet than the one calling Noel what everyone already knows he calls him . That's just a bunch of boyish banter when they both have records to be sold ... cha-ching. Just depressing (for me) to watch every crackpot conspiracy theorist coming out of the woodwork to tag Liam ever since. Anyway, now he'll go to Porto and he'll have moved on from the conversation (but those who see him as an ally to their cause will continue to see him that way.) Just weird and messed-up times all around, hahaha! Oh, that's ok as I thought that your comment was directed at Liams tweet. I just wish that he wouldn't say things like this because like you say that it wasn't even a brave tweet. I think a lot of the time he says the first thing which comes to his head which isn't always clever and the same goes for Noel too.
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Post by jeffrey on May 29, 2021 15:09:40 GMT -5
Thoroughly amused at the thought of someone deciding whether or not to get vaccinated based on the opinion of a singer/musician; also preposterous for people to lament a statement that essentially said people should stop trying to shame others for having a personal preference.
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 29, 2021 16:01:05 GMT -5
Thoroughly amused at the thought of someone deciding whether or not to get vaccinated based on the opinion of a singer/musician; also preposterous for people to lament a statement that essentially said people should stop trying to shame others for having a personal preference. No point in shame, of course, far better ways to go about it. But there is in fact a big difference between choosing yes or no. One helps people all around you, no matter your own individual situation, to return to normal social life. The other can (in big enough numbers) lead to years and years of up-and-down surges as well as accidentally harming others. (Cases, hospitalizations and deaths all on the rise in UK this week, I’ve noticed.) The problem with this thing is that it is a medical and scientific problem confronting the entire world, yet somehow has become about having a personal opinion (in an atmosphere filled with disinformation that has led to many people not understanding the reality.) This one isn’t even that bad compared to what is possible, but it doesn’t bode well for us two-legged creatures. As for people being influenced by a celebrity, well that’s the culture we have. Amusing, sure, but real. People buy his shoes, get his haircut, pose their kids in his stance, even wake up when he tweets and they also value what he says, even if in his head he’s just having a laugh.
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Post by jeffrey on May 30, 2021 7:59:33 GMT -5
Thoroughly amused at the thought of someone deciding whether or not to get vaccinated based on the opinion of a singer/musician; also preposterous for people to lament a statement that essentially said people should stop trying to shame others for having a personal preference. No point in shame, of course, far better ways to go about it. But there is in fact a big difference between choosing yes or no. One helps people all around you, no matter your own individual situation, to return to normal social life. The other can (in big enough numbers) lead to years and years of up-and-down surges as well as accidentally harming others. (Cases, hospitalizations and deaths all on the rise in UK this week, I’ve noticed.) The problem with this thing is that it is a medical and scientific problem confronting the entire world, yet somehow has become about having a personal opinion (in an atmosphere filled with disinformation that has led to many people not understanding the reality.) This one isn’t even that bad compared to what is possible, but it doesn’t bode well for us two-legged creatures. As for people being influenced by a celebrity, well that’s the culture we have. Amusing, sure, but real. People buy his shoes, get his haircut, pose their kids in his stance, even wake up when he tweets and they also value what he says, even if in his head he’s just having a laugh. I agree that this pandemic is nothing compared to what it could’ve been. It’s also been politicized to the point that people have no idea what to believe, so they’re basing decisions on conservative/liberal ideologies, religion and apparently the opinions of entertainers. I don’t know where you live, but there has been no consensus on anything here. I.e.: medical experts arguing whether or not masks were ever effective/necessary; high-ranking elected officials enacting legal consequences for not following mandates and being caught in gross violations of their own policies; people losing everything because they weren’t permitted to work while the rich kept getting richer; etc. Nothing about this pandemic has been a certainty from day one, so to act like Liam Gallagher is going to have even a marginal impact on keeping people safe is quite frankly, ridiculous. It’s just people who demand to have their opinions heard because they’ve been given an opportunity through social media to feint outrage for attention.
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 30, 2021 15:07:58 GMT -5
I agree that this pandemic is nothing compared to what it could’ve been. It’s also been politicized to the point that people have no idea what to believe, so they’re basing decisions on conservative/liberal ideologies, religion and apparently the opinions of entertainers. I don’t know where you live, but there has been no consensus on anything here. I.e.: medical experts arguing whether or not masks were ever effective/necessary; high-ranking elected officials enacting legal consequences for not following mandates and being caught in gross violations of their own policies; people losing everything because they weren’t permitted to work while the rich kept getting richer; etc. Nothing about this pandemic has been a certainty from day one , so to act like Liam Gallagher is going to have even a marginal impact on keeping people safe is quite frankly, ridiculous. It’s just people who demand to have their opinions heard because they’ve been given an opportunity through social media to feint outrage for attention. Except it isn't ridiculous, because I see posts like this all the time. (Also I don't believe one needs to feign outrage. 3 and half million people have died from Coronavirus, and it ain't over, by the most cautious possible estimates. Seems like a good enough reason for outrage to me. As for consensus, there is extraordinarily high scientific consensus that the vaccines available work and that it takes a large percentage of vaccinated people to protect everyone. This is not new stuff -- how immunity works has been known for a long, long, long time. Suggesting otherwise is simply misinfomation.)
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Post by jeffrey on May 30, 2021 15:27:03 GMT -5
I agree that this pandemic is nothing compared to what it could’ve been. It’s also been politicized to the point that people have no idea what to believe, so they’re basing decisions on conservative/liberal ideologies, religion and apparently the opinions of entertainers. I don’t know where you live, but there has been no consensus on anything here. I.e.: medical experts arguing whether or not masks were ever effective/necessary; high-ranking elected officials enacting legal consequences for not following mandates and being caught in gross violations of their own policies; people losing everything because they weren’t permitted to work while the rich kept getting richer; etc. Nothing about this pandemic has been a certainty from day one , so to act like Liam Gallagher is going to have even a marginal impact on keeping people safe is quite frankly, ridiculous. It’s just people who demand to have their opinions heard because they’ve been given an opportunity through social media to feint outrage for attention. Except it isn't ridiculous, because I see posts like this all the time. (Also I don't believe one needs to feign outrage. 3 and half million people have died from Coronavirus, and it ain't over, by the most cautious possible estimates. Seems like a good enough reason for outrage to me. As for consensus, there is extraordinarily high scientific consensus that the vaccines available work and that it takes a large percentage of vaccinated people to protect everyone. This is not new stuff -- how immunity works has been known for a long, long, long time. Suggesting otherwise is simply misinfomation.) You can’t seriously be using that tweet as evidence...
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 30, 2021 16:22:12 GMT -5
Except it isn't ridiculous, because I see posts like this all the time. (Also I don't believe one needs to feign outrage. 3 and half million people have died from Coronavirus, and it ain't over, by the most cautious possible estimates. Seems like a good enough reason for outrage to me. As for consensus, there is extraordinarily high scientific consensus that the vaccines available work and that it takes a large percentage of vaccinated people to protect everyone. This is not new stuff -- how immunity works has been known for a long, long, long time. Suggesting otherwise is simply misinfomation.) You can’t seriously be using that tweet as evidence... Yeah, I'm not going to fill this page with all the many, many tweets that have gone by in the past few days that demonstrate Liam's opinion on this matters to some of his fans. So sure, I pulled one that was particularly heightened for effect. But I'm not even sure why it's controversial to say that Liam has influence over people who quite literally worship him. Of course he does. Have you ever read his twitter replies? And when he does post on this topic it gets a lot of bandwidth. (Even yesterday, his replies were about 75% football trolls and 20% vaccine related, along with the usual general well-wishers and of course people posing their children as him.) There's nothing odd or surprising about that. It's a big part of why people want to be rock stars and an even bigger part of why people have famous twitter accounts. Of course Liam's not directly responsible for people who go off the deep end (or who troll). But he is entirely responsible for what he says, and he chose to say something about a global crisis that had an effect. It's that simple.
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Post by jeffrey on May 30, 2021 17:10:30 GMT -5
You can’t seriously be using that tweet as evidence... Yeah, I'm not going to fill this page with all the many, many tweets that have gone by in the past few days that demonstrate Liam's opinion on this matters to some of his fans. So sure, I pulled one that was particularly heightened for effect. But I'm not even sure why it's controversial to say that Liam has influence over people who quite literally worship him. Of course he does. Have you ever read his twitter replies? And when he does post on this topic it gets a lot of bandwidth. (Even yesterday, his replies were about 75% football trolls and 20% vaccine related, along with the usual general well-wishers and of course people posing their children as him.) There's nothing odd or surprising about that. It's a big part of why people want to be rock stars and an even bigger part of why people have famous twitter accounts. Of course Liam's not directly responsible for people who go off the deep end (or who troll). But he is entirely responsible for what he says, and he chose to say something about a global crisis that had an effect. It's that simple. The amount of people that you contend would be influenced to take a vaccination based on a tweet by Liam is so minuscule in scale that it would have no impact on society — .00044871794% of humans follow him on Twitter. And the percentage of those people that would genuinely consult his tweet for medical advice is a tiny percentage of that number. You obviously also have no idea of how social media is engineered if you believe people don’t fake being outraged to garner attention for themselves. Every headline you see on the internet is designed to heighten our emotional state so that we engage. Pure hyperbole on your part.
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 30, 2021 17:48:41 GMT -5
The amount of people that you contend would be influenced to take a vaccination based on a tweet by Liam is so minuscule in scale that it would have no impact on society — .00044871794% of humans follow him on Twitter. And the percentage of those people that would genuinely consult his tweet for medical advice is a tiny percentage of that number. You obviously also have no idea of how social media is engineered if you believe people don’t fake being outraged to garner attention for themselves. Every headline you see on the internet is designed to heighten our emotional state so that we engage. Pure hyperbole on your part. Uh, yeah, I'm not expecting Liam to end coronavirus single-handedly with his twitter account. But to me every single life matters, including those of people who do take what Liam thinks into consideration and ALL of those who choose not be vaccinated (and also endanger others through that choice). The whole point is that every single person has a role to play in ending coronavirus as a massive threat to life and livelihood. You do, I do and Liam does, too. Some have more influence than others but everyone matters because it's something that connects us all. Since I do in fact have expertise in social media, I'll just ignore your other comment. (Not sure who exactly it is you are suggesting is "designing" the internet but obviously that's a conversation way beyond the scope of this particular thread.)
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Post by jeffrey on May 30, 2021 18:13:18 GMT -5
The amount of people that you contend would be influenced to take a vaccination based on a tweet by Liam is so minuscule in scale that it would have no impact on society — .00044871794% of humans follow him on Twitter. And the percentage of those people that would genuinely consult his tweet for medical advice is a tiny percentage of that number. You obviously also have no idea of how social media is engineered if you believe people don’t fake being outraged to garner attention for themselves. Every headline you see on the internet is designed to heighten our emotional state so that we engage. Pure hyperbole on your part. Uh, yeah, I'm not expecting Liam to end coronavirus single-handedly with his twitter account. But to me every single life matters, including those of people who do take what Liam thinks into consideration and ALL of those who choose not be vaccinated (and also endanger others through that choice). The whole point is that every single person has a role to play in ending coronavirus as a massive threat to life and livelihood. You do, I do and Liam does, too. Some have more influence than others but everyone matters because it's something that connects us all. Since I do in fact have expertise in social media, I'll just ignore your other comment. (Not sure who exactly it is you are suggesting is "designing" the internet but obviously that's a conversation way beyond the scope of this particular thread.) Question, since you’re worried about each individual life: Have you posted about Liam promoting his alcohol intake on Twitter and how it glorifies a habit that leads to heart/liver disease and other ailments that lead to millions of deaths each year? Additionally, the fact that you have expertise in social media and aren’t aware that algorithms are, in fact, designed to foster interaction through negativity/divisiveness is frightening. Media, in general, focuses on negativity because it sells and social media is no different.
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 30, 2021 18:49:57 GMT -5
Question, since you’re worried about each individual life: Have you posted about Liam promoting his alcohol intake on Twitter and how it glorifies a habit that leads to heart/liver disease and other ailments that lead to millions of deaths each year? Additionally, the fact that you have expertise in social media and aren’t aware that algorithms are, in fact, designed to foster interaction through negativity/divisiveness is frightening. Media, in general, focuses on negativity because it sells and social media is no different. My last post on this topic. Alcohol is a very complicated thing. Many people get immense joy and even artistic inspiration from alcohol and in moderation it has very well-documented benefits for health and communion among people and families. Some people harm themselves with it, and some people harm others with it, but it's not a solely negative force in the world and certainly it's not rapidly overwhelming hospitals around the world. Coronavirus is not comparable. No one gets any joy from it, it's been a profoundly negative and altering force in all societies (and you earlier listed some of the down stream effects it's had in terms of job loss, political corruption and exacerbating inequality), and it very rapidly threatened every health system where the virus became rampant. I don't know what algorithms could possibly have to do with Liam's twitter account or the accounts of his fans. There are bots out there, mainly utilized by various political forces and certain countries looking to sow dissent, and they do occasionally post in Liam's replies (and all over say Ian Brown's replies) because they zone in on this topic. And there are controversial algorithms Twitter uses for example to choose trending topics. But neither of those has anything to do with this. I'm afraid there is no grand conspiracy of "Media" that is controlling the internet. For better or for worse, it's mostly just people.
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Post by jeffrey on May 30, 2021 19:43:43 GMT -5
Question, since you’re worried about each individual life: Have you posted about Liam promoting his alcohol intake on Twitter and how it glorifies a habit that leads to heart/liver disease and other ailments that lead to millions of deaths each year? Additionally, the fact that you have expertise in social media and aren’t aware that algorithms are, in fact, designed to foster interaction through negativity/divisiveness is frightening. Media, in general, focuses on negativity because it sells and social media is no different. My last post on this topic. Alcohol is a very complicated thing. Many people get immense joy and even artistic inspiration from alcohol and in moderation it has very well-documented benefits for health and communion among people and families. Some people harm themselves with it, and some people harm others with it, but it's not a solely negative force in the world and certainly it's not rapidly overwhelming hospitals around the world. Coronavirus is not comparable. No one gets any joy from it, it's been a profoundly negative and altering force in all societies (and you earlier listed some of the down stream effects it's had in terms of job loss, political corruption and exacerbating inequality), and it very rapidly threatened every health system where the virus became rampant. I don't know what algorithms could possibly have to do with Liam's twitter account or the accounts of his fans. There are bots out there, mainly utilized by various political forces and certain countries looking to sow dissent, and they do occasionally post in Liam's replies (and all over say Ian Brown's replies) because they zone in on this topic. And there are controversial algorithms Twitter uses for example to choose trending topics. But neither of those has anything to do with this. I'm afraid there is no grand conspiracy of "Media" that is controlling the internet. For better or for worse, it's mostly just people. Yeah, because alcohol doesn’t cause mass job loss, political corruption or inequality. Of course it’s people on social media and that’s what I’m saying — you said you don’t believe in false outrage and acted like it’s a wild premise. Watch the news, read an online publication or look at trending topics; it’s overwhelmingly negative because that’s what generates interactions, which ultimately leads to revenue. Liam’s tweet wasn’t dangerous to society. Neither was Noel’s mask not covering his nose at the stadium in Porto. Outrageous notion to act as if they’re in any way responsible for a person’s decision on a medical issue. Maybe they should campaign about the inherent dangers of traveling in a car too?
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Post by Rolo on May 31, 2021 8:45:48 GMT -5
His reasoning behind his tweet is a good one I thought. People need to stop looking down their noses at others just because of a difference in opinion.
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