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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 23, 2016 5:59:11 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with Noel on this one. These referendums are reckless - elected officials should be making these decisions, and not throwing it to a populist vote. Regardless, Vote Remain. www.nme.com/news/noel-gallagher/94417Totally agree with Noel too, but hearing all the argments put forward, IMO the obvious choice is to LEAVE.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 7:30:14 GMT -5
I don't trust referenda, why do they let people decide on such a select few questions that they think the people should be allowed a vote on? We can't vote on wars, we can't vote on cuts to public services, we can't get MPs removed mid-term, all we get is an effective choice between two parties every 5 years which is fixed based on constituency boundaries and a random referendum every so often to keep people thinking that they've actually got some power.
I know it won't count for much, but I voted to remain in the EU, because if we leave, that just leaves the Tories as the people deciding all the laws. Labour probably wouldn't be much better either if and when they ever get back into power. All that 'Take Back Control' stuff, it sounds like power to the people, but it's just giving the government more control, people will have the same amount of control as they always have (I.E. FECK ALL)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 7:33:16 GMT -5
Funniest part.... they are not beholden to follow that results of the referendum anyhow.
so what's the real point?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 23, 2016 7:53:43 GMT -5
Funniest part.... they are not beholden to follow that results of the referendum anyhow. so what's the real point? They will follow the result.
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Post by globe on Jun 23, 2016 7:59:02 GMT -5
Funniest part.... they are not beholden to follow that results of the referendum anyhow. so what's the real point? If you mean that the the result of the referendum still has to be voted through parliament, then yes you are correct. However I really cannot see the result of this not getting passed through law. You really think MPs are going to vote against the will of the people on this? Don't think so.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 23, 2016 8:01:21 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with Noel on this one. These referendums are reckless - elected officials should be making these decisions, and not throwing it to a populist vote. Regardless, Vote Remain. www.nme.com/news/noel-gallagher/94417Totally agree with Noel too, but hearing all the argments put forward, IMO the obvious choice is to LEAVE. I haven't read what Noel's said because he tends to talk bollocks when it comes to politics, but hearing all the arguments put forward, IMO the obvious choice is to REMAIN.
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 23, 2016 9:41:20 GMT -5
Each to their own and all that, but seriously I'm yet to hear a convincing argument for staying. Plenty for leaving. And in my actual life I'm yet to meet a remainer either, literally EVERYONE i know is voting Leave, bar none.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 16:02:43 GMT -5
Farage with a small concession, saying he believes Remain have edged it.
Good, albeit expected, news!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 16:05:16 GMT -5
YouGov Poll 52% In vs. 48% Out
IPSOS Poll 54% In vs. 46% Out
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 17:59:27 GMT -5
Ukip leader Nigel Farage has this to say: "What has dominated this campaign is an issue Westminster finds very difficult to talk about. An issue for which I have been demonised. That issue, if we do vote to Remain, is not going to go away. The eurosceptic genie is out of the bottle."
I don't get this view point. If it was the other way and LEAVE won, people would be saying that the issue is finalized with the vote. But here we go again, just like the farcical SNP attempt to so quickly re-do that referendum. It smacks of being a massive sore loser.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 18:01:40 GMT -5
It will be 48-52 in Remains favour. You heard it hear first!
Actually scratch that, I'll push the boat out a bit further..... Make it 60-40%.
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Post by batfink30 on Jun 23, 2016 18:33:29 GMT -5
The Sunderland and Newcastle results are breathtaking. Think it'll be 51-49 for remain though.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 23, 2016 18:43:20 GMT -5
It will be 48-52 in Remains favour. You heard it hear first! Actually scratch that, I'll push the boat out a bit further..... Make it 60-40%. I hope you're right Matt, I really do but I think you've been a bit optimistic there.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 18:46:10 GMT -5
It will be 48-52 in Remains favour. You heard it hear first! Actually scratch that, I'll push the boat out a bit further..... Make it 60-40%. I hope you're right Matt, I really do but I think you've been a bit optimistic there. You know what, I've fucking lost my mind - watching the news now, this is terrifying. Far far far too close for comfort, god help us.
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Post by batfink30 on Jun 23, 2016 18:53:34 GMT -5
I hope you're right Matt, I really do but I think you've been a bit optimistic there. You know what, I've fucking lost my mind - watching the news now, this is terrifying. Far far far too close for comfort, god help us. London and Scotland will swing it for remain.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 18:55:10 GMT -5
Leave is Coming on Strong.
Yeah, you're Coming on Strong.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 18:59:36 GMT -5
* Plays Anarchy In The U.K. *
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 19:02:06 GMT -5
You know what, I've fucking lost my mind - watching the news now, this is terrifying. Far far far too close for comfort, god help us. London and Scotland will swing it for remain. Have us Scots become too complacent - turnout not as high as the referendum two years ago? And Lewisham in London is rumoured to be 80% Leave.... I'm in London right now and even the weather and rain was disrupting travel - so maybe turnout has damaged Remain?? The London vote isn't going to be strong enough I fear, immigrants who don't know anything about this in London may not have voted - there are many areas of segregation and the campaign may not have penetrated that bubble. Look at all the campaigning with Labour and Lib Dems - people out campaigning in Crouch End and North London - fucking hell guys, they were preaching to the converted already (those places inevitably will vote Remain). But nobody I fear has got the message through to migrant communities. My own constituency up in Orkney was 61% - that's not as dominant as I thought it would be, considering the place is a Lib Dem stronghold that retains it's MP/MSP on a canter.
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Jun 23, 2016 19:08:43 GMT -5
This is quite scary, not going to lie.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 19:14:06 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 23, 2016 19:17:02 GMT -5
Not every Leave voter is a racist, but every racist will have voted Leave.
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Post by batfink30 on Jun 23, 2016 19:23:01 GMT -5
John Curtice says Leave now favourite to win. City has modelled a 40% drop in the pound tomorrow. Your money will be worth absolutely nothing tomorrow in the event of a leave. Doubt the banks would open.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 19:24:53 GMT -5
This is quite scary, not going to lie. Good.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 19:25:56 GMT -5
John Curtice says Leave now favourite to win. City has modelled a 40% drop in the pound tomorrow. Your money will be worth absolutely nothing tomorrow in the event of a leave. Doubt the banks would open. Better get my wheelbarrow out for a pint and a loaf in the morning.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 19:26:42 GMT -5
This is quite scary, not going to lie. Good. See the pound and markets crashing at the minute? That's all down to Leave. Watch it be decimated if Leave is confirmed. Not so good now eh. Thanks a lot.
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