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Post by jaq515 on Dec 21, 2015 9:07:42 GMT -5
JJ left Lost after the pilot to film MI3 so he didn't have much involvement with it. The first three seasons rank up with anything as the greatest show ever. It went off the rails a bit because of the writers strike and abc wanting them to do more seasons. Id still recommend it. I was more emotionally invested in the characters than any other show I've watched. Some people were not satisfied with the ending and a lot of the people that weren't didn't understand it. Even though it was pretty clear. JJ seems more suited to being a producer/writer than in the trenches director. Felicity, Alias, Lost. And Fringe. That was good aswell. I agree with what @sternumman says that it was the writers strike that really killed lost's momentum which is massive shame. Tho arguably does get back on track Agree with everything he says tbh was / is an amazing show. The more you invest more rewarding it is. It really makes you think.. I spent 6 years thinking about it ? The ending not the strongest and lot people do misunderstand it. It's about the journey not the ending and really is one you should take
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Post by mossy on Dec 21, 2015 16:31:41 GMT -5
What happened to the stormtroopers' mouth grills??
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Post by LightsOffInside on Dec 21, 2015 18:13:40 GMT -5
Anyone else concerned about the producer/writer for the next film? Rian something? Not sure of his work, wonder whether he'll produce a film good enough to follow this one
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 21, 2015 19:45:11 GMT -5
Anyone else concerned about the producer/writer for the next film? Rian something? Not sure of his work, wonder whether he'll produce a film good enough to follow this one You should watch Looper one of the better scifi movies in recent memory.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 21, 2015 19:55:58 GMT -5
Anyone else concerned about the producer/writer for the next film? Rian something? Not sure of his work, wonder whether he'll produce a film good enough to follow this one Watch Looper, it's a beltin' film. The script was so strong (the lovely) Emily Blunt was said to have agreed to do it having only read the first half. And it seems that it was a genuinely original idea too (though I'm not 100% sure of that - I'm not THAT well up on my sci-fi), so I think his effort should be less derivative than JJ's. Here's hoping anyway...
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 21, 2015 19:59:12 GMT -5
Seeing it again tomorrow!
Gonna listen up for McGregor in that psychedelic dream sequence halfway in...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2015 11:31:54 GMT -5
Anyone else concerned about the producer/writer for the next film? Rian something? Not sure of his work, wonder whether he'll produce a film good enough to follow this one You should watch Looper one of the better scifi movies in recent memory. Don't sleep on Brick.
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Post by Cast on Dec 22, 2015 11:59:07 GMT -5
saw it yesterday. Will probably see it again in a week or so.
There are moments in there were it felt like vintage starwars, but I don't know if I can call it great. To kept it real it really doesn't deserve the 95% on rotten tomatoes either. I guess I'll throw in my short list of pro's and con's after the first viewing.
Pros -Daisy, Oscar, and John KILLED it. These three actors are dynamic and charismatic. Oscar Isaac in particular has a chance to be one of the best actors in Hollywood, if he isn't already (Watch him in Show me A Hero) -I love the fact that the main character is a female. Rey is super likable and she's independent -Han and Chewie = bro's for life -tasteful homages that varied from obvious (hologram game) to subtle (the father son bridge scene with Han and Ren) -bb8 = great -first act in particular is fantastic (something the originals always did insanely well) -A reformed Stormtrooper is a dope idea and original -Better than Return of the Jedi - that movie has some great moments, but that Ewok shit is unforgivable I'm sorry. It was the beginning of the end for Lucas when he put that crap in there.
Cons -not the freshest plot -bad guys felt kinda i don't know just there, and the shoddy new republic kinda got glossed over. the transition from Return of the Jedi to this wasn't exactly what I'd call "smooth". Maybe they'll clear this up with the other two films -Snoke thing kinda lame, and i legit breathed a sigh of relief when we discover he is a hologram. If he was a physical being then that was gonna be some lame shit. -Kylo Ren is it me or is this guy just kinda "meh"? Driver has a great spoiled bratty face, but this felt like some Anakin prequels shit with those temper tantrums. You don't have to gracefully choke people like Vader, but his maddness felt bratty and just kinda off putting with its over the topness. it'd be cooler if he was a twisted genius or something, but it sounds like he's just a brat who somehow got fucked up by Luke and his parents. Vader obsession will hopefully be explained -The third act of the film kinda felt rushed? I don't know something felt off about it -JJ wasted Oscar Isaac when he split him and Finn for no reason, at least show us Poe after the crash
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Dec 22, 2015 13:05:45 GMT -5
To me it's almost certain that making Kylo Ren a whiny bitch was intentional. They had to be well aware of how Anakin was received in the prequels, so to go in this direction anyway tells me we'll be seeing a very good reason for it in the next film. I hope so, anyway.
But as I said in the other thread ... I agree with Kevin Smith that it doesn't really make sense to be disappointed with Anakin's portrayal in the prequels because a ruthless dictator type would start as a whiny teenager. I can certainly see how people wanted to go on thinking he always had strong personal attributes, but Star Wars has always been about good vs evil as an internal struggle. I just wish he'd been given better dialogue.
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Post by mossy on Dec 22, 2015 15:01:56 GMT -5
-Better than Return of the Jedi - that movie has some great moments, but that Ewok shit is unforgivable I'm sorry. It was the beginning of the end for Lucas when he put that crap in there. The Ewoks are badass! They eat stormtroopers and use their bones as drumkits.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 22, 2015 15:35:29 GMT -5
Finn is the son of Lando. Han survived the stabbing, fall and planet explosion. Kylo Ren is a hero working on the inside for Luke. Snoke is Darth Plagueis. Maz is Yodas cousin. Phasma is the daughter of Boba Fett Rey is the daughter of Luke. Poe is the son of Luke, watched over by Leia.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2015 15:48:09 GMT -5
saw it yesterday. Will probably see it again in a week or so. There are moments in there were it felt like vintage starwars, but I don't know if I can call it great. To kept it real it really doesn't deserve the 95% on rotten tomatoes either. I guess I'll throw in my short list of pro's and con's after the first viewing. Pros -Daisy, Oscar, and John KILLED it. These three actors are dynamic and charismatic. Oscar Isaac in particular has a chance to be one of the best actors in Hollywood, if he isn't already (Watch him in Show me A Hero) -I love the fact that the main character is a female. Rey is super likable and she's independent -Han and Chewie = bro's for life -tasteful homages that varied from obvious (hologram game) to subtle (the father son bridge scene with Han and Ren) -bb8 = great -first act in particular is fantastic (something the originals always did insanely well) -A reformed Stormtrooper is a dope idea and original -Better than Return of the Jedi - that movie has some great moments, but that Ewok shit is unforgivable I'm sorry. It was the beginning of the end for Lucas when he put that crap in there. Cons -not the freshest plot -bad guys felt kinda i don't know just there, and the shoddy new republic kinda got glossed over. the transition from Return of the Jedi to this wasn't exactly what I'd call "smooth". Maybe they'll clear this up with the other two films -Snoke thing kinda lame, and i legit breathed a sigh of relief when we discover he is a hologram. If he was a physical being then that was gonna be some lame shit. -Kylo Ren is it me or is this guy just kinda "meh"? Driver has a great spoiled bratty face, but this felt like some Anakin prequels shit with those temper tantrums. You don't have to gracefully choke people like Vader, but his maddness felt bratty and just kinda off putting with its over the topness. it'd be cooler if he was a twisted genius or something, but it sounds like he's just a brat who somehow got fucked up by Luke and his parents. Vader obsession will hopefully be explained -The third act of the film kinda felt rushed? I don't know something felt off about it -JJ wasted Oscar Isaac when he split him and Finn for no reason, at least show us Poe after the crash Couldn't agree more about Oscar. Having Poe sit out so much of the movie when trying to establish new trilogy characters wasn't wise. Too strong of an actor with stage presence. Glossing ove how he got off Jakku back to the rebel base was a huge cop out. That's what Finn and Rey are trying to do as well. So he made it back before them?!?!? I know they stopped off at Maz's first but still. "Oh I got thrown from the fighter, woke up in darkness and you were gone". That's the explanation? Gimme a break. I'd have rather Poe stayed with the other 2 leads or cut the monster space station scenes for Poe's escape. Also, Rey and Poe have zero scenes together. Weird. I'd figure they would be the new Han and Leia. Finn looks like he's in the friend zone. I wonder if Poe will become the new owner of the Falcon? Again, him and Chewie zero scenes together.
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Post by Cast on Dec 22, 2015 17:00:16 GMT -5
saw it yesterday. Will probably see it again in a week or so. There are moments in there were it felt like vintage starwars, but I don't know if I can call it great. To kept it real it really doesn't deserve the 95% on rotten tomatoes either. I guess I'll throw in my short list of pro's and con's after the first viewing. Pros -Daisy, Oscar, and John KILLED it. These three actors are dynamic and charismatic. Oscar Isaac in particular has a chance to be one of the best actors in Hollywood, if he isn't already (Watch him in Show me A Hero) -I love the fact that the main character is a female. Rey is super likable and she's independent -Han and Chewie = bro's for life -tasteful homages that varied from obvious (hologram game) to subtle (the father son bridge scene with Han and Ren) -bb8 = great -first act in particular is fantastic (something the originals always did insanely well) -A reformed Stormtrooper is a dope idea and original -Better than Return of the Jedi - that movie has some great moments, but that Ewok shit is unforgivable I'm sorry. It was the beginning of the end for Lucas when he put that crap in there. Cons -not the freshest plot -bad guys felt kinda i don't know just there, and the shoddy new republic kinda got glossed over. the transition from Return of the Jedi to this wasn't exactly what I'd call "smooth". Maybe they'll clear this up with the other two films -Snoke thing kinda lame, and i legit breathed a sigh of relief when we discover he is a hologram. If he was a physical being then that was gonna be some lame shit. -Kylo Ren is it me or is this guy just kinda "meh"? Driver has a great spoiled bratty face, but this felt like some Anakin prequels shit with those temper tantrums. You don't have to gracefully choke people like Vader, but his maddness felt bratty and just kinda off putting with its over the topness. it'd be cooler if he was a twisted genius or something, but it sounds like he's just a brat who somehow got fucked up by Luke and his parents. Vader obsession will hopefully be explained -The third act of the film kinda felt rushed? I don't know something felt off about it -JJ wasted Oscar Isaac when he split him and Finn for no reason, at least show us Poe after the crash Couldn't agree more about Oscar. Having Poe sit out so much of the movie when trying to establish new trilogy characters wasn't wise. Too strong of an actor with stage presence. Glossing ove how he got off Jakku back to the rebel base was a huge cop out. That's what Finn and Rey are trying to do as well. So he made it back before them?!?!? I know they stopped off at Maz's first but still. "Oh I got thrown from the fighter, woke up in darkness and you were gone". That's the explanation? Gimme a break. I'd have rather Poe stayed with the other 2 leads or cut the monster space station scenes for Poe's escape. Also, Rey and Poe have zero scenes together. Weird. I'd figure they would be the new Han and Leia. Finn looks like he's in the friend zone. I wonder if Poe will become the new owner of the Falcon? Again, him and Chewie zero scenes together. So true, very on point. I'd love to see at least Chewie and him together. Dude's just a charismatic actor, he demands attention much like Harrison Ford in the originals. Rey, Finn, and Poe hopefully will become the lead 3 for the next two. This one kinda felt like a send off for Han. It looks like Luke and Rey will be the primary focus on the next film, with hopefully Poe, Finn, Chewie given good screen time (and a couple next characters entering the fray). The rumors for the next cast are entertaining to say the least.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2015 17:48:26 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more about Oscar. Having Poe sit out so much of the movie when trying to establish new trilogy characters wasn't wise. Too strong of an actor with stage presence. Glossing ove how he got off Jakku back to the rebel base was a huge cop out. That's what Finn and Rey are trying to do as well. So he made it back before them?!?!? I know they stopped off at Maz's first but still. "Oh I got thrown from the fighter, woke up in darkness and you were gone". That's the explanation? Gimme a break. I'd have rather Poe stayed with the other 2 leads or cut the monster space station scenes for Poe's escape. Also, Rey and Poe have zero scenes together. Weird. I'd figure they would be the new Han and Leia. Finn looks like he's in the friend zone. I wonder if Poe will become the new owner of the Falcon? Again, him and Chewie zero scenes together. So true, very on point. I'd love to see at least Chewie and him together. Dude's just a charismatic actor, he demands attention much like Harrison Ford in the originals. Rey, Finn, and Poe hopefully will become the lead 3 for the next two. This one kinda felt like a send off for Han. It looks like Luke and Rey will be the primary focus on the next film, with hopefully Poe, Finn, Chewie given good screen time (and a couple next characters entering the fray). The rumors for the next cast are entertaining to say the least. I guess Poe has to be separate the more I ponder it. They needed to show off Rey's ace pilot skills. If Poe is around you don't need both. Plus Han showing up. That's 3 pilots. Still, they needed to show Poe getting off Jakku. Even it was just Leia and her rebels in that L shaped space craft. Something....anything......it's fucking Poe!!!! What are some of the casting rumors? I know Del Toro but who else? Also, Maz saying the story of where that lightsaber comes from is "a story for another time" is kind lame. If there is any moment to tell that tale its at that exact point in time. I'm sure it was filmed and cut so they could explore it in episode 8.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 22, 2015 20:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 22, 2015 20:40:39 GMT -5
Saw it again tonight, and would definitely say I enjoyed it more second time round. Having said that though, I'm still sticking by my original rating of 7/10 - a couple of glaring issues really let it down for me.
This article basically sums up how I feel about it:
‘The Force Awakens’ Is the Least Interesting Star Wars Yet WRITTEN BY BRIAN MERCHANT December 21, 2015 // 01:25 PM EST
The results are in for The Force Awakens, the receipts tallied, the reviews aggregated, and just look at all those zeros and blissful tomatoes. Critics and fans seem thrilled that JJ Abrams has concocted an exciting, fast-paced Star Wars installment that is genuinely fun to watch. That captures the look and feel of the originals. That shatters box office records. There is no doubt Force Awakens has done all of these things, and done them aggressively. It just hasn’t done much else.
I’m not exactly delighted to be adding another branch to the Star Wars take tree. But the reviews are so effusive, success so roundly declared, I can’t help it. Because we’ve been played. We’ve been served up a pretty unoriginal reboot that adds few, if any, new ideas to our greatest commercial mythology. It’s the latest and maybe largest sign of a drift towards big screen sci-fi monoculture. And we’re lapping it up.
Clearly, Force Awakens is far from the worst Star Wars movie, but it might actually be the least interesting. In some ways, the triumph of this, Star Wars 2.0—and its predictable, nostalgia-reliant, repackaged thrills—is a defeat for what made the trilogy extraordinary in the first place—its madcap sci-fi originality and genre-bending experimentation.
Force Awakens is the most derivative Star War; as some commenters have pointed out, it’s almost a scene-by-scene remake of A New Hope. At first that’s a huge relief (no prequel-scale disaster in sight) and exciting, even. We watch imperial troops from a galactic empire pursue a robot with stolen plans across a desert planet and into the care of a young loner with mysterious powers who was then aided by a wisecracking smuggler and his space ape in a seedy interstellar tavern where cheerful aliens play catchy orbital music, and we all grin wide.
But by the time the Rebellion/Resistance is blowing up the third incarnation of the Death Star in almost as many films, doesn’t the Force seem to be contracting a bit? We’ve been here so, so many times. And that’s to say nothing of the host of callbacks to past plot points, cameos from beloved characters from the original films, and the familiar John Williams crescendos.
Entertainment Weekly counts 18 different major ways—other commenters have found even more—that Force Awakens pays tribute to, or rips off directly, A New Hope. (As Tasha Robinson notes in The Verge, if this didn’t have Lucas’s blessing, it’d be outright plagiarism.) This is, of course, also a powerful recipe for maximizing revenue generation. The film is already headed towards unbelievable, almost comical profitability: The film cost $350 million to make and market, and it’s already reaped $517 million in global ticket sales. It shattered both the single-day gross revenue record, becoming the first film to pull in $100 million in a single day, and raked in $238 million in North America alone.
Ultimately, Force Awakens is more a product of the same market logic that gave rise to the Marvel Universe films—a logic that rewards emulation and nostalgia above all; reusing ideas, characters, and narrative arcs that have already proven lucrative—than it is of the imagination that launched the series nearly four decades ago.
Since Star Wars is like water now, I suggest reading Forrest Wickman’s piece about the series’ genesis for a reminder of just how pathbreaking and weird it was when it first came out in the 70s. It was a hugely ambitious experiment founded on what turned out to be a very replicable model—one that both future filmmakers and tech bros alike would seek to follow for decades to come. Force Awakens is just the latest to go through the motions.
This isn’t JJ Abram’s fault, I don’t think. He made nearly the best possible film the market would bear. It is more a testament to the modern filmmaking environment (see Joss Whedon’s frustrations with Avengers 2 as exhibit B), and to the addictive nostalgia drip we as audiences are hooked on.
Case in point: I totally enjoyed the Force Awakens during its runtime. You might even say I was riveted. But as soon as the credits started to roll, the whole pastiche immediately started to slip from memory, scenes receding rapidly back into the source material from whence they came (Luke’s aunt and uncle’s charred bodies standing in for that slaughtered village, Mos Eisley cantina for whatever that forest planet saloon was). And then, the next thing I thought of on the drive home was that I kind of wished it was more like the prequels. That George Lucas had been more involved.
No, I’m not trolling, and yes, I fully acknowledge that the prequels were, mostly, very terrible movies, and Lucas is blamed for the wreckage. But I started to realize that as works of imagination, they’re actually pretty impressive. They sought not to create full-scale retreads of the original Star Wars but to expand and enrich it; the films were bursting with color, imaginative city-worlds, clone armies, duels on volcano planets, and an explanation of the fall of a democratic intergalactic society and the rise of an autocratic Empire.
This approach, largely because of its stale execution, fell flat—”trade dispute” and “midichloridian” became shorthand for “explaining the magic out of everything like an asshole,” and that ambitious plotting was often unintelligible—but the effort was noble enough. Even Jar Jar Binks, perhaps the most maligned character in all of cinema, was an invention; both as a member of a new alien race, and one of the first fully integrated CGI characters in cinema history. In other words, Lucas was not content to coast on the concepts established in his original trilogy; he wanted to expand the Star Wars mythology, forge new frontiers. He insists on calling himself as an experimental filmmaker, and he’s not totally wrong!
Unfortunately, the frontiers he chose to push mostly turned out to be bad ones, and JJ Abrams’ Lucas-free Star Wars is the polar opposite. Abrams has expertly reorganized a Star Warsfilm, he has nailed the rhythm, the pacing, the visual aesthetic. He also made the principal characters more diverse (which is great, given old Star Wars failing in this arena) and Millennial-friendly. But he was allergic to over-explaining, and avoided any and all meaningful exposition (wait, how did the First Order come about, anyway? What did this new galactic government look like before it was destroyed by the DeathStarKiller? Why did the “Rebellion” need to rebrand?) or any ideas or figures that would’ve stuck out in the original series.
Lucas was derided and mocked for the new elements he introduced into his own saga in the prequels—but it was his ultimately his lack of skill with directing, something he’s well aware of himself—that doomed those films. Without Lucas in the room, Abrams remade Star Wars. And that’s bad news for a sci-fi market that’s cozily embracing self-referentiality, sequel madness, and shared universe economies of scale.
The other mega-blockbuster this year is, as fate would have it, another fourth installment in a beloved series that is, technically, another sequel but functions in actually more like a “reboot.” Jurassic World may now be destined to finish second place in year-end gross earnings, with only 74 gabillion dollars earned, but it pulled off the same trick as Force Awakens: redress the same battle-tested plot arc with a combination of fresh and familiar faces and sets, introduce enough new elements to launch a “new” franchise arc, but hew to the established narrative enough to avoid any serious financial risk.
Even the best sci-fi Hollywood film of the year was another fourth entry in a series that, again, serves as a reboot; Mad Max: Fury Road. Same plot outline as its famous forebear, same marketable title, same setting, different actors, new cast diversity and story mechanics. (That it was a great film on its own, and inspired a serious debate about gender politics, is somewhat miraculous.) And there are what, three Marvel Universe films coming out every year, with DC doing roughly the same? They all hew to the same general megastructure; and they are all increasingly boring.
Consider, for a second, the sci-fi epics that didn’t soar this year; the Watchowskis’ Jupiter Ascending and Disney’s Tomorrowland come to mind. Neither were small budget affairs; both were creative and fairly risky endeavors. Both more or less flopped; Jupiter flopped hard. Partly because they weren’t great films—but neither was Jurassic World. These may not be the best counter-examples, but the fear is that we’ll allow our expectations to become too constrained by Hollywood’s cynical hit-producing algorithm and our own easily-manipulated nostalgia.
Science fiction is supposed to be all about exploring the unexplored, not rehashing the well-trod. As its key franchises become increasingly more important to the bottom line of huge studios that are fending off streaming, and view-on-demand, expect them to become more formulaic, and less interesting. It’s already begun: one of the most unabashedly creative enterprises of the 20th century has been rendered another largely enjoyable, but mostly forgettable Hollywood reboot.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 22, 2015 21:29:08 GMT -5
I completely disagree with that article. Especially about having Lucas being involved and the prequels being "imaginative". Could the story been more original? Sure but my only big problem with the unoriginalality is the Star Killer base. The prequels had just as many callbacks except most of them fell flat on their face. Young Greedo, Young Bobba Fett, the 700 I have a bad feeling about this, 100 severed limbs, having 3po, Jabba, chewbaca, and r2 in the movies for absolutely no reason, etc. Maybe it's because I'm just happy to have a good Star Wars movie after all these years that I'm willing to overlook some of the flaws. I've just never seen a good movie scrutinized so much.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2015 21:32:43 GMT -5
I completely disagree with that article. Especially about having Lucas being involved and the prequels being "imaginative". Could the story been more original? Sure but my only big problem with the unoriginalality is the Star Killer base. The prequels had just as many callbacks except most of them fell flat on their face. Young Greedo, Young Bobba Fett, the 700 I have a bad feeling about this, 100 severed limbs, having 3po, Jabba, chewbaca, and r2 in the movies for absolutely no reason, etc. Maybe it's because I'm just happy to have a good Star Wars movie after all these years that I'm willing to overlook some of the flaws. I've just never seen a good movie scrutinized so much. It was definitely a fun movie and I was never bored. Sore it has it's flaws but so did the original trilogy. Hopefully Rian Johnson will paint a fuller picture next go around. Another Poe observation, no scenes with Rey, none with Chewie, 1 with Han, 2 with Kylo and 5 min with Finn. Weird.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 22, 2015 21:55:29 GMT -5
I completely disagree with that article. Especially about having Lucas being involved and the prequels being "imaginative". Could the story been more original? Sure but my only big problem with the unoriginalality is the Star Killer base. The prequels had just as many callbacks except most of them fell flat on their face. Young Greedo, Young Bobba Fett, the 700 I have a bad feeling about this, 100 severed limbs, having 3po, Jabba, chewbaca, and r2 in the movies for absolutely no reason, etc. Maybe it's because I'm just happy to have a good Star Wars movie after all these years that I'm willing to overlook some of the flaws. I've just never seen a good movie scrutinized so much. It was definitely a fun movie and I was never bored. Sore it has it's flaws but so did the original trilogy. Hopefully Rian Johnson will paint a fuller picture next go around. Another Poe observation, no scenes with Rey, none with Chewie, 1 with Han, 2 with Kylo and 5 min with Finn. Weird. You love you some Poe. One line that does annoy me in the movie is when the xwings come in and save the day after Mazs temple is destroyedis Finn yelling up "That's one great pilot" or some shit like that. How does he know it's Poe? Its probably the cheesiest line in the movie. Episodes viii speculation. If they keep Chewie as a main character I think he stays with Rey. She speaks wookie and he's with her at the end of vii.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 22, 2015 22:22:43 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2015 22:31:57 GMT -5
It was definitely a fun movie and I was never bored. Sore it has it's flaws but so did the original trilogy. Hopefully Rian Johnson will paint a fuller picture next go around. Another Poe observation, no scenes with Rey, none with Chewie, 1 with Han, 2 with Kylo and 5 min with Finn. Weird. You love you some Poe. One line that does annoy me in the movie is when the xwings come in and save the day after Mazs temple is destroyedis Finn yelling up "That's one great pilot" or some shit like that. How does he know it's Poe? Its probably the cheesiest line in the movie. Episodes viii speculation. If they keep Chewie as a main character I think he stays with Rey. She speaks wookie and he's with her at the end of vii. Now that you mention it, that was a cheesy line. Finn knew Poe for 5 minutes in the movie. He thought he died on Jakku in the crashed TIE fighter. Why would he think that is him in the X-Wing? I wonder what Finn's deal is moving forward. He's injured. Isn't force sensitive I would assume or Kylo would have picked up on it and he can't fly a spaceship. Where does he slot in moving forward?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2015 22:36:31 GMT -5
All the Maz stuff currently baffles me. She went from a bigger character to an extremely reduced one. So much was edited out, hopefully the payoff is huge in episode 8. I seem to remember she is talking to Han at the table, stops, crawls across the table to look at Finn and then never talks to Han again for the rest of the film. Weird. Then during the battle she appears for 5 seconds, tell Finn he's got a weapon in his hand and then she's gone forever in The Force Awakens. Not one mention after that point. Very strange. Like Finn, where does she slide in for future films? I'm ok if that was it because she doesn't really serve a purpose that we know of. She isn't force sensitive. Isn't a rebel, isn't a pilot. She doesn't need to be with Luke training Rey. That would slow down the story in my opinion. All that is left is for her to tell the lightsaber recovery story. But now that she is with Luke does it really matter anymore? The moment has passed to really hit home with that info. The castle basement was the perfect time.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2015 23:06:12 GMT -5
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Post by eva on Dec 23, 2015 5:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2015 6:27:12 GMT -5
Anyway, it's been two days and the more I think about this movie, the more I'm pissed off that it was just A New Hope with different character. It's a fucking joke. I imagine writing the scenario went something like this: "Hey guys so let's use that same story but add some few shits to make it look like we are creative. Like: the main character is a girl and not a guy. Let's change the name of the rebellion and the empire to the resistance and the first order. The bad guy reveal isn't 'I am your father' but 'I am your son'. The DeathStar isn't a station that looks like a planet anymore, but it is an actual planet! ... Let's make billions out of it guys!" *round of applause in Disney headquarters* I still loved it but it really bugs me, if they had said from the beginning that it was kind of a reboot/remake, I'd feel less angry and cheated. I hope that after multiple viewings (I only saw it once at the moment) and when all the hype calms down it isn't what will stick out of this movie. I'll take The Force Awakens 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over that prequel bullshit between 1999 and 2005. Christ those movies were terrible. Hopefully Rian Johnson will avoid typical Abrams fanboy moments. For example, we don't need Luke in the middle of Episode VIII to go "No Rey, I am you father". You can see that situation already brewing. Please avoid that kind of reveal or do it in a different manner.
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