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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2015 8:53:53 GMT -5
Ok. Obviously solo bought the farm. Where does this leave Chewie !? And what happened to r2 and c3 ? You're not planning on seeing it, are you? If so, I'd probably stop reading now, if I were you. Chewie flies off with the new character, Rey, in the Falcon, to find Luke, and R2-D2 and C-3PO are just hanging about the 'Resistance' (basically the new 'Rebels') base. When we first see R2, he's on "low-power", not moving or beeping or anything, like he's in some kind of self-induced droid-coma or something, because Luke's no longer with him. Then at the end, he wakes up again to show that Luke wants to be found again, I guess. I feel bad for Chewie. His buddy got killed and he is now alone. Where does he factor in for future movies? Surely somebody has to inherit the Falcon. It can't be Rey who is gonna become a Jedi. She doesn't need a star ship or crew. It can't be Finn. The dude can't fly anything. Logic says that ship will fall into the hands of Poe. Chewie and Poe! However, I don't recall they met in TFA.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2015 10:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Dec 20, 2015 10:39:36 GMT -5
It effectively serves as an indirect reboot to introduce Star Wars to the next generation, and it's just a really good enjoyable film. I really don't know how people can be disappointed, it's by far the best Star Wars film since 1983!!! I prefer Revenge Of The Sith...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2015 10:42:53 GMT -5
I prefer Revenge Of The Sith... Just looking at the screen grab image of that YouTube video you see that nothing is "real" in that shot outside Ewan McGregor.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 20, 2015 10:44:42 GMT -5
You could pick a lot of holes in any of the original trilogy films though. Why are the stormtroopers so shit, but then Obi Wan makes a remark about how accurate they are? How does Han manage to find Luke in that vast wasteland of frozen tundra? Why didn't Darth Vader realize Leia was his daughter, surely he must have had some sort of force-feeling as he was able to know when Luke was on the ship approaching Endor etc. ? Nowadays you just call it plot convenience and criticise it, but if it weren't for plot convenience, all of the films would be shit. Does anyone understand where I'm coming from here? Maybe I'm just getting upset that people are slagging off The Force Awakens even though I thought it was a 10/10. A lot of the plot holes of the original trilogy involve Lucas changing his mind on character back stories. Originally Anakin and Vader were different people. In ANH several characters call Vader "Darth" as if it's his first name. Leia, Ben and Tarkin do this constantly. Its only after while writing Empire that he decided Anakin and Vader should now be the same person. Then in Empire, Yoda says there is another........this also was going to be a brand new female character in Jedi and was also Luke's sister. While writing Jedi, Lucas decided to make Leia Luke's sister for more shock value. That's why Obi wan and Vader have no idea Leia is Vaders daughter in ANH. Surely Obi wan would know. He was apart of their hiding! That's also why all those Luke and Leia kisses look so out of place in ANH and Empire. George Lucas is a tinker. Exactly. Rewatching The despecialized edition of Star Wars in anticipation of TFA all the inconsistencies really stick out. Luke only decides to join Ben after his family is killed. Ben could have just told Luke that's your sister. We need to save her. Then there's Ben not knowing R2 etc.
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Post by glider on Dec 20, 2015 10:46:28 GMT -5
Just looking at the screen grab image of that YouTube video you see that nothing is "real" in that shot outside Ewan McGregor. If you watch the behind the scenes featurettes from the DVD all the sets were green screen, including Kashyykk. Only certain parts of them were actual sets. One of the worst things about the prequels indeed. So glad to see real locations again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 10:47:09 GMT -5
Now that's pretty fucking cool. I look forward to seeing that scene again when the Blu-ray is released. (I've never gone to see a film twice at the cinemas, not at the prices they charge!).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 10:50:09 GMT -5
I plan on picking up the novelization when it gets released in January (I don't have a device big enough for reading ebooks properly). Until yesterday I didn't even know that all of the Star Wars films were also novels, and A New Hope was released in 1976 quite a while before the movie. Fascinating stuff, hopefully there'll be a few scenes that weren't in the final film and maybe a few hints for Episode VIII.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 20, 2015 10:56:40 GMT -5
I think the knit picking of Rey's character is the funniest of the complaints I've seen online. People complaining she's great at everything. Meanwhile Luke blew up the Death Star flying an xwing which he never had before, faces Vader with barley any training from Yoda then defeats him in Jedi without any more training,
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 20, 2015 11:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 20, 2015 11:04:29 GMT -5
And for plot convenience. A droid containing a video of his sister is sold to him only after another droid malfunctions, Ben the person he's looking for finds him at the exact moment he's getting his ass kicked, Han finds him on a planet covered in snow just in time to save him, etc
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Post by glider on Dec 20, 2015 11:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Dec 20, 2015 11:08:00 GMT -5
And for plot convenience. A droid containing a video of his sister is sold to him only after another droid malfunctions, Ben the person he's looking for finds him at the exact moment he's getting his ass kicked, Han finds him on a planet covered in snow just in time to save him, etc Exactly. The 'everybody's a critic' shtick is unreal right now. Even Empire had increasingly predictable moments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 11:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2015 11:13:02 GMT -5
Weren't you the one that was ultra hyped for Force Awakens? I'm definitely seeing the movie two more times before the end of the year. Going to be tough having to relive Han's death again. I'm not allowed to have an opinion? I found the film very enjoyable and it's exactly what the Star Wars franchise needed but let's not pretend the film doesn't have obvious flaws. - It's a repeat of A New Hope - Poe's escape from Jakku totally glossed over - Starkiller blows up 5 planets we know nothing about or care about - Maz's scenes were awkward. You can tell mass editing took place. - The scene on the giant space rig totally stuck out. It was more Star Trek or alien resurrection. Zero Star Wars feel. I'd rather have seen Poe get off Jakku. - Snoke was a little too Lord of The Rings for my liking.
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Post by glider on Dec 20, 2015 11:20:17 GMT -5
This movie is another reason that people shouldn't "overhype" things. Nothing these days has been able to completely live up to the hype or exceed it for me, that's why I keep my expectations at the reasonable level. I knew I was going to love the film but also I know it wasn't going to be better than Empire Strikes Back for example.
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Post by glider on Dec 20, 2015 11:22:27 GMT -5
Weren't you the one that was ultra hyped for Force Awakens? I'm definitely seeing the movie two more times before the end of the year. Going to be tough having to relive Han's death again. I'm not allowed to have an opinion? I found the film very enjoyable and it's exactly what the Star Wars franchise needed but let's not pretend the film doesn't have obvious flaws. - It's a repeat of A New Hope - Poe's escape from Jakku totally glossed over - Starkiller blows up 5 planets we know nothing about or care about - Maz's scenes were awkward. You can tell mass editing took place. - The scene on the giant space rig totally stuck out. It was more Star Trek or alien resurrection. Zero Star Wars feel. I'd rather have seen Poe get off Jakku. - Snoke was a little too Lord of The Rings for my liking. I liked Maz's scenes though. I think she wasn't in the movie as long as she was intended to be. Starkiller base was such a copout at the end to destroy, after pretty much boasting it was a sun eating, multi planet destroying mega death star.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 20, 2015 11:33:27 GMT -5
Weren't you the one that was ultra hyped for Force Awakens? I'm definitely seeing the movie two more times before the end of the year. Going to be tough having to relive Han's death again. Probably, but that would have been around the time the second (and first proper) teaser trailer came out, months and months ago. Since then, Spectre (which I was actually much more excited for) came out and wasn't very good imo, and I've had plenty of time to ponder on my original worries from way back in 2012, when it was first announced Disney had acquired the rights to make another Star Wars film: would there be any story left to tell? Will it just be a massive self-congratulatory nerd-gasm that won't mean much to me because "you weren't there man, you weren't there in '77!"? It seems, as Abrams and co. have just rehashed the plot to A New Hope, that maybe I was right... Slightly disappointing though that is, I was well prepared for it. I expected to enjoy the movie as I would any big-budget blockbuster with eccentric characters and settings, and I did. So I too will be going to see it a couple of times more over December an January, starting with an IMAX showing tomorrow, in Manchester
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 20, 2015 11:34:13 GMT -5
I'm not allowed to have an opinion? I found the film very enjoyable and it's exactly what the Star Wars franchise needed but let's not pretend the film doesn't have obvious flaws. - It's a repeat of A New Hope - Poe's escape from Jakku totally glossed over - Starkiller blows up 5 planets we know nothing about or care about - Maz's scenes were awkward. You can tell mass editing took place. - The scene on the giant space rig totally stuck out. It was more Star Trek or alien resurrection. Zero Star Wars feel. I'd rather have seen Poe get off Jakku. - Snoke was a little too Lord of The Rings for my liking. I liked Maz's scenes though. I think she wasn't in the movie as long as she was intended to be. Starkiller base was such a copout at the end to destroy, after pretty much boasting it was a sun eating, multi planet destroying mega death star. I wonder if the Maz lines from the last trailer were recorded just for the trailer.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 20, 2015 11:38:31 GMT -5
Weren't you the one that was ultra hyped for Force Awakens? I'm definitely seeing the movie two more times before the end of the year. Going to be tough having to relive Han's death again. I'm not allowed to have an opinion? I found the film very enjoyable and it's exactly what the Star Wars franchise needed but let's not pretend the film doesn't have obvious flaws. - It's a repeat of A New Hope - Poe's escape from Jakku totally glossed over - Starkiller blows up 5 planets we know nothing about or care about - Maz's scenes were awkward. You can tell mass editing took place. - The scene on the giant space rig totally stuck out. It was more Star Trek or alien resurrection. Zero Star Wars feel. I'd rather have seen Poe get off Jakku. - Snoke was a little too Lord of The Rings for my liking. I agree with all of that, except Maz - I thought she was really cool, although, admittedly, it was a little jarring that her castle was destroyed and we never got any confirmation of what happened to her after that.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 20, 2015 11:49:44 GMT -5
The Phantom Menace did not get great reviews at the time. Just said the film was......average........and for a brand spanking Star Wars film that prospect was horrifying. After a 15 year wait this is what Lucas delivered? I wanted the reviews to be wrong but after seeing TPM on opening night I knew they were 100% accurate. Sad that the future reviews got even more dicey. I recall differently, so do many others. Hell, Roger Ebert, like him or hate him, he's well respected, gave it a good score. He's not the only one. The reviews are still out there, time stamped and all. Lots of big names. Names that are still around. That's not to say there weren't bad reviews at the time, of course there were, but it wasn't the focal point that it is now. The point is, people were excited, enthralled by the new film, looking past its flaws and with time settled on the idea that it wasn't as good as they first thought. You were one of the few disappointed right out of the gate. I also add that's a good thing. If your opinion hasn't changed since, you were more honest with yourself right from the beginning while many if not most others held onto feelings of nostalgia and excitement to convince themselves they liked it. Went to a midnight showing of TPM and left the theater thinking WTF did I just watch? Went back to the theater a few days later because I couldn't believe it was so bad. I figured I was tired or in the wrong mood when I saw it. That it could not have been THAT BAD. Unfortunately it was. I hoped the sequels would fix everything wrong with what I just watched. And of course they didn't. Now I'm sitting in the theater waiting to see the TFA again. Not because I needed to justify my feelings and how I was wrong but because I really enjoyed the film and haven't stopped thinking about it since I saw it Friday night.
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Post by boneheadsbolero on Dec 20, 2015 11:54:16 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse, a Star Wars thread or 35 pages on Coldplay's latest? Okay, Coldplay's worse I guess but this thread's close.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2015 12:07:32 GMT -5
I liked Maz's scenes though. I think she wasn't in the movie as long as she was intended to be. Starkiller base was such a copout at the end to destroy, after pretty much boasting it was a sun eating, multi planet destroying mega death star. I wonder if the Maz lines from the last trailer were recorded just for the trailer. I think JJ ran into CGI/plot problems while editing. Back in the summer rumors went wild that Maz's role got cut dramatically and re-shoots of the castle scenes took place. There was supposed to be a flashback scene of Vader vs Luke on Bespin and how Maz got that lightsaber. All totally gone from final version. Ever wonder why toys of Vader and Bespin Luke were released with rest of the new TFA toys? They were originally in the film and toy production went ahead before JJ cut it. JJ also probably ran into issues of that flashback scene revealing Rey's parents (Luke) and ruining the payoff of the Ben Solo reveal. Can't have both so soon in the movie occur. It has to be held back.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 20, 2015 12:16:57 GMT -5
So, what's your favorite scenes from the movie?
Comedically, when Finn gives BB-8 a thumbs up for keeping his secret and playing along and BB-8 responds with igniting his lighter "thumb". That was great. Had the entire theater laughing.
Dramatically, I really liked when Kylo Ren killed Han on the bridge. I liked their discussion beforehand and then Chewies response to shoot Kylo. I also liked that Leia felt his death.
Action-wise, when Jakku is attacked the second time and Finn + Rey are escaping. That was pretty tense.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2015 12:30:52 GMT -5
So, what's your favorite scenes from the movie? Comedically, when Finn gives BB-8 a thumbs up for keeping his secret and playing along and BB-8 responds with igniting his lighter "thumb". That was great. Had the entire theater laughing. Dramatically, I really liked when Kylo Ren killed Han on the bridge. I liked their discussion beforehand and then Chewies response to shoot Kylo. I also liked that Leia felt his death. Action-wise, when Jakku is attacked the second time and Finn + Rey are escaping. That was pretty tense. For me I loved when Han shouted out "Ben!". That was the most emotional part of the movie for me. It's long been rumored/suggested/hinted that Han was going to die so I was prepared for it. The reveal of Kylo Ren being named Ben Solo hit hard because we didn't know the name and all that it implies.
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