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Post by mystoryisgory on Nov 21, 2017 17:00:04 GMT -5
In a perfect world Who Built the Moon would define the mainstream.
Thanks.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 21, 2017 17:02:29 GMT -5
But i think the style is somewhat irrelevant in a way. Pop or not, he's middle aged and not really a figure in pop music in 2017. Pop music is defined by what young folk are into and that's not really Noel Gallagher. He could release the greatest pop song of his career to date and it still isn't going to get lapped up by people like Taylor Swift's new track/video will. Noel will release his album this coming weekend and 100x more people will be more interested in what's being sung on x-factor on Saturday night. Musically it could be considered "pop" but his place in the music world now is not among mainstream pop music anymore. That's the difference. Popular culture has moved on from Noel Gallagher/Oasis a long time ago. Yet Liam is enjoying the adulation of a renewed audience with music that is considerably less-bubblegum, even if still undeniably commercial. As I’ve said, you can take this album as a step away from the mainstream and review it as being something out of leftfield (which it isn’t) but then the verdict only becomes even more damning. But i think you're failing to separate musical style from actual relevance in popular culture. It really does not matter what style of music Liam or Noel make, they are not culturally important anymore to the general public. Both albums will sell well for a week or two and they'll get the odd bit of press from an interview here and there and that's about it. Yes Noel's album isn't leftfield or experimental. It is a "pop" record of sorts, but it doesn't mean he sits alongside current pop music and neither does Liam. That's why their videos and singles don't even do a fraction of what todays actual pop stars do. As i said, Noel can release the best pure pop song of his career and most people won't care. The quality is irrelevant right now in terms of widespread popularity because the majority public doesn't care about Noel Gallagher, they want Taylor Swift and the likes. It doesn't matter which is better. |
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Post by walterglass on Nov 21, 2017 17:17:29 GMT -5
It’s a pop album. It’s mainstream music. If you want to review it as a left of centre album then the verdict becomes even more damning. Mainstream music? Pop album? Have you downloaded the wrong leak or something? Nope. Respectfully, if you don’t think this is a fairly standard pop album then I think you’ve fell victim to Noel’s rhetoric and hyperbole. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 21, 2017 17:22:01 GMT -5
Haven't listened to the album, would appreciate everyone not talking about it 'til Friday.... Thanks. If you're lucky Amazon might deliver it early on Thu. X |
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 21, 2017 17:23:34 GMT -5
As You Were is hardly culturally relevant or whatever you are on about as well. No one expects either Gallagher to come up with an instant classic that becomes a cultural memory. Your post was quite laughable. |
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Post by deasy on Nov 21, 2017 17:24:46 GMT -5
Mainstream music? Pop album? Have you downloaded the wrong leak or something? Nope. Respectfully, if you don’t think this is a fairly standard pop album then I think you’ve fell victim to Noel’s rhetoric and hyperbole. So what other mainstream pop does this sound like then? I'm sure you can give loads of examples from the current top 40 in the chart. If the album isn't for you then that's fair enough, but to describe it as "mainstream pop" is the daftest thing I've read on here today. Clearly trying too hard today. |
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Post by Hans Gruber on Nov 21, 2017 17:27:04 GMT -5
Haven't listened to the album, would appreciate everyone not talking about it 'til Friday.... Thanks. If you're lucky Amazon might deliver it early on Thu. X No mail delivery on Thursday, a national holiday, Thanksgiving, it's bullshit! Godzilla bless. |
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Post by matt on Nov 21, 2017 17:27:59 GMT -5
Who knew that making a pop record was 'mainstream'?  |
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Post by mossy on Nov 21, 2017 17:34:06 GMT -5
If you're lucky Amazon might deliver it early on Thu. X No mail delivery on Thursday, a national holiday, Thanksgiving, it's bullshit! Godzilla bless. Don't they have drones especially for times like this? X |
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Post by mossy on Nov 21, 2017 17:34:47 GMT -5
Who knew that making a pop record was 'mainstream'? Noel was mainstream before it was cool. X |
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Post by walterglass on Nov 21, 2017 17:38:26 GMT -5
As You Were is hardly culturally relevant or whatever you are on about as well. No one expects either Gallagher to come up with an instant classic that becomes a cultural memory. Your post was quite laughable. It’s pretty obvious from events of this year that Liam has found genuine relevance with a new and younger audience. And As You Were has been a big part of that. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 21, 2017 17:38:59 GMT -5
As You Were is hardly culturally relevant or whatever you are on about as well. No one expects either Gallagher to come up with an instant classic that becomes a cultural memory. Your post was quite laughable. It wasn't laughable at all. Someone who puts together a thoughtful and eloquent post whether you agree with it or not does not make it laughable. Its musch more likely it implies something you don't like. |
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Post by walterglass on Nov 21, 2017 17:40:46 GMT -5
Nope. Respectfully, if you don’t think this is a fairly standard pop album then I think you’ve fell victim to Noel’s rhetoric and hyperbole. So what other mainstream pop does this sound like then? I'm sure you can give loads of examples from the current top 40 in the chart. If the album isn't for you then that's fair enough, but to describe it as "mainstream pop" is the daftest thing I've read on here today. Clearly trying too hard today. It’s got a very pop-like sensibility. When I say pop I don’t mean it sounds like other particular chart artists of today. I mean it has a commercial sound that is so unashamedly commercial and saccharine that it borders on kitschy. Also, I’m many things but a try-hard I’m not. |
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 21, 2017 17:42:27 GMT -5
As You Were is hardly culturally relevant or whatever you are on about as well. No one expects either Gallagher to come up with an instant classic that becomes a cultural memory. Your post was quite laughable. It wasn't laughable at all. Someone who puts together a thoughtful and eloquent post whether you agree with it or not does not make it laughable. Its musch more likely it implies something you don't like.  Please explain to me the cultural relevancy of "As You Were" with the younger audience besides teenager longing for the days of Oasis. |
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Post by dhamon on Nov 21, 2017 17:48:26 GMT -5
I feel like you can feel the inspiration he had in the songs. I’ve loved it since first listen and it only gets better every time. I’m over the moon about it.
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Post by walterglass on Nov 21, 2017 17:50:23 GMT -5
It wasn't laughable at all. Someone who puts together a thoughtful and eloquent post whether you agree with it or not does not make it laughable. Its musch more likely it implies something you don't like. Please explain to me the cultural relevancy of "As You Were" with the younger audience besides teenager longing for the days of Oasis. You have cultural relevance when you are part of the zeitgeist, Which the 2017 Liam Gallagher is. Very much so. Noel isn’t, he’s a peripheral player. I understand my opinions aren’t going to be popular on this forum of all places. But I also think a lot on here are in a position of adulation with Noel that would lead them to struggle to be objective at a time of heightened excitement. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 21, 2017 17:53:04 GMT -5
Mainstream music? Pop album? Have you downloaded the wrong leak or something? Nope. Respectfully, if you don’t think this is a fairly standard pop album then I think you’ve fell victim to Noel’s rhetoric and hyperbole. I haven't at all. As an album - an entire 11 song piece - it works better than As You Were, IMO - an album which is a lot more 'poppy' than this one. That isn't a bad thing. They're different. Liam couldn't have done this. He had to do his thing. Noel's done that thing. He's done a different thing. Yep, it's not all great, and I find it interesting that everybody seems to have different low points of this album, but the high points for me reach a more soaring musical moment than the high points of AYW. I don't know why you have to make a sweeping statement like the above. Makes you look foolish. |
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 21, 2017 17:53:33 GMT -5
Please explain to me the cultural relevancy of "As You Were" with the younger audience besides teenager longing for the days of Oasis. You have cultural relevance when you are part of the zeitgeist, Which the 2017 Liam Gallagher is. Very much so. Noel isn’t, he’s a peripheral player. I understand my opinions aren’t going to be popular on this forum of all places. But I also think a lot on here are in a position of adulation with Noel that would lead them to struggle to be objective at a time of heightened excitement.  |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 21, 2017 17:54:36 GMT -5
Please explain to me the cultural relevancy of "As You Were" with the younger audience besides teenager longing for the days of Oasis. You have cultural relevance when you are part of the zeitgeist, Which the 2017 Liam Gallagher is. Very much so. Noel isn’t, he’s a peripheral player. I understand my opinions aren’t going to be popular on this forum of all places. But I also think a lot on here are in a position of adulation with Noel that would lead them to struggle to be objective at a time of heightened excitement. Which is all well and good. It doesn't make WBTM? a bad or standard album. It's easily one of the best released this year in terms of both Noel's and Liam's piers. |
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Post by walterglass on Nov 21, 2017 17:54:46 GMT -5
Nope. Respectfully, if you don’t think this is a fairly standard pop album then I think you’ve fell victim to Noel’s rhetoric and hyperbole. I haven't at all. As an album - an entire 11 song piece - it works better than As You Were, IMO - an album which is a lot more 'poppy' than this one. That isn't a bad thing. They're different. Liam couldn't have done this. He had to do his thing. Noel's done that thing. He's done a different thing. Yep, it's not all great, and I find it interesting that everybody seems to have different low points of this album, but the high points for me reach a more soaring musical moment than the high points of AYW. I don't know why you have to make a sweeping statement like the above. Makes you look foolish. And you’re very entitled to your opinion. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 21, 2017 17:56:40 GMT -5
So what other mainstream pop does this sound like then? I'm sure you can give loads of examples from the current top 40 in the chart. If the album isn't for you then that's fair enough, but to describe it as "mainstream pop" is the daftest thing I've read on here today. Clearly trying too hard today. It’s got a very pop-like sensibility. When I say pop I don’t mean it sounds like other particular chart artists of today. I mean it has a c ommercial sound that is so unashamedly commercial and saccharine that it borders on kitschy. Also, I’m many things but a try-hard I’m not. That's literally an exact description of AYW though... And I'm sorry, but how anyone can describe 'Be Careful What You Wish For' as unashamedly commercial is a bit beyond me... Either way, it isn't a bad thing. I've got a feeling WBTM won't get to no.1, yet I think it's the Noel solo album that probably deserves it most. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 21, 2017 17:57:20 GMT -5
I haven't at all. As an album - an entire 11 song piece - it works better than As You Were, IMO - an album which is a lot more 'poppy' than this one. That isn't a bad thing. They're different. Liam couldn't have done this. He had to do his thing. Noel's done that thing. He's done a different thing. Yep, it's not all great, and I find it interesting that everybody seems to have different low points of this album, but the high points for me reach a more soaring musical moment than the high points of AYW. I don't know why you have to make a sweeping statement like the above. Makes you look foolish. And you’re very entitled to your opinion. You're obviously entitled to yours as well! It's what forums are for after all  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 21, 2017 17:59:18 GMT -5
It wasn't laughable at all. Someone who puts together a thoughtful and eloquent post whether you agree with it or not does not make it laughable. Its musch more likely it implies something you don't like. Please explain to me the cultural relevancy of "As You Were" with the younger audience besides teenager longing for the days of Oasis. And you know that teenagers are only longing for the days of Oasis rather than thinking its a good record? There seems to be youthful element going to the gigs but I can't be sure of the reasons because I'm not 18, I don't think you can be catagorical about the reasons either. As far as what walterglass say's about it having pop sensibilities, it does. Just look at the list of what the songs are reminding people of. From James Bond themes to Start Me Up to Holy Mountain being rooted in 60's pop music and motown. Has Noel expanded his influences? Certainly, and the record is much better for it but there is nothing laughable in that. Even people outside us peasants have noticed, the final paragraph of the Q review sums this up well. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 21, 2017 18:02:01 GMT -5
Haven't listened to the album, would appreciate everyone not talking about it 'til Friday.... Thanks. Avoid the topic by having an extremely long and luxurious bubble bath until Friday-   Thanks  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 21, 2017 18:10:53 GMT -5
Noel sounds like he is having fun and it shows in this album. Good for him.
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