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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 17, 2015 23:21:16 GMT -5
Back when Beady Eye started, i believe the success of Pretty Green would have been looked at by their management. Obviously this holds no correlation to any music made by Liam but it does prove the popularity of the man as an icon. I just wonder how much they almost got arrogant with things such as not using his name in the act like many artists would do when promoting a new project. There was also the huge mistakes like the scattered release of The Roller, choice of Bring The Light as first ever thing we got to hear etc etc
Alot on here have bashed the management for all of these mistakes, myself included. We see these as such glaring mistakes that it seems unfeasible. Yet im guessing most of us dont work in management for bands, and these people were probably amongst the best in the business after carrying on from the pervious management team (i believe). Anyway, we are talking about qualified people who know what they're doing. Was it simply a case of overestimating the power of Liam Gallagher being involved? Did they feel they could release almost anything at any time and it will sell well?
I completely get that Beady Eye were a band. They didn't want this to be called Liam Gallagher's Beady Eye. But there was simply not enough promotion for so many people to know who Beady Eye were in my opinion. I remember countless occasions of people not knowing the name of Beady Eye but saying oh i liked that first song Liam Gallagher did, i mean even on the Voice appearance they had to pretty much bill it as Liam Gallagher solo. The front cover didnt help the situation either. It needed Liam on it at the very least. It doesn't come as any surprise to me that Noel's management thereafter had Noel Gallagher's name clearly displayed with himself on BOTH front covers.
This isn't me making an excuse for Beady Eye's shortcomings because there were some. What they wasnt is a complete shit band who arent worth shit, which is what the public now class them as, and i think its just wrong. There's no doubt DGSS got critical acclaim when it first came out. Even Noel said that word for word at his initial press conference. There was plenty of good enough reviews combined with the real sense of new energy. I think this along with The Roller by Liam gallagher coming first and you sell shit loads of records. Maybe im wrong but i certainly think it sells a hell of alot more than Beady Eye Bring The light with scattered release of The Roller.
There will undoubtedly be those who say if it was good enough it would have worked like Noel's album. But the mismanagement was just arrogant in my opinion and i think it was alot down to the fact they seen Liam's success on the global stage with his clothing range. I believe now, in whatever Liam does next his name needs to be prominent because it's been proved with Pretty Green he is still idolised, he just needs the right marketing campaign.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on May 18, 2015 4:31:13 GMT -5
Yeah yeah, i agree. Whatever Liam does now it has to be a solid, consistent product. Using his strong name, get a proper producer, build the hype, make cool artwork, cool videos, make it feel like it's a serious buisness this time. The thing with Beady Eye was that for some reason they had that underground fuckin' second hand band feel to it from the very beggining. The 'what's left from Oasis' sticker on it didn't help. In showbiz reality, Liam solo is worth much more than with anybody's songwriting contribution or help really, especially Andy and Gem's. And it's not because they didn't have good songs or anything like that. It's just because Liam alone is much more commercially tasty than he was in Beady Eye sauce. And he realised that as well i think.
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Post by Johnny Rhythm on May 18, 2015 5:13:36 GMT -5
i really hope liam just goes for it and does a solo thing, reckon he's got far more to gain than he has to lose
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Post by tezza198 on May 18, 2015 6:02:40 GMT -5
i really hope liam just goes for it and does a solo thing, reckon he's got far more to gain than he has to lose yeah I agree. I hope he takes a chance on it. Even if it takes him a few years to gather the right songs, if its worth the wait it will be. AND I absolutely agree on the fact Beady Eye failed was simply because not many people knew who they were, anything with the name Liam Gallagher on it will have a MUCH HIGHER chance of success. Even my friends who are into the complete opposite type of music know who he is and they liked Beady Eye when I forced them to listen to it, though they didn't have a clue who they were...
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Post by monkian on May 18, 2015 7:24:45 GMT -5
I don't agree that people didn't know Beady Eye were. The Oasis facebook page was rife with promotion for both BDI and Noel when their records came out sparking vitriol from loads of Oasis "fans" saying that they didn't care because it's not Oasis. At the end of the day, unless you're a Liam fan, he's just not someone who the average person gives a shit about, unless it's to stick the boot in. Noel is different kettle of fish because even non-Oasis fans liked Don't Look Back in Anger, Little By little and TIOBI and he's a much "warmer" personality.
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Post by vespa on May 18, 2015 7:34:57 GMT -5
A liam gallagher solo album would double beady eyes sales , people simply didnt know who they were. Think like this take the noel gallagher away from high flying birds and you can take a million sales off that first album straight away.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on May 18, 2015 12:15:31 GMT -5
Pretty Green is alot like BDI, the polos and desert boots are like your Rollers and Morning Sons, and the multicoloured kaftans and otjer shite are your Standing On The Edge Of The Noises
Liam just needs to make a consistent album with 11 quality songs and it would sell.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 18, 2015 13:07:13 GMT -5
Pretty Green is alot like BDI, the polos and desert boots are like your Rollers and Morning Sons, and the multicoloured kaftans and otjer shite are your Standing On The Edge Of The Noises Liam just needs to make a consistent album with 11 quality songs and it would sell. Oh, is that all? Why doesn't he go and do that then?! There hasn't been a Galllagher album released with 11 quality songs on it since 1995. If Noel can't write more than about 6 good songs per album these days, Liam ain't coming close.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 18, 2015 13:56:51 GMT -5
Pretty Green is alot like BDI, the polos and desert boots are like your Rollers and Morning Sons, and the multicoloured kaftans and otjer shite are your Standing On The Edge Of The Noises Liam just needs to make a consistent album with 11 quality songs and it would sell. Oh, is that all? Why doesn't he go and do that then?! There hasn't been a Galllagher album released with 11 quality songs on it since 1995. If Noel can't write more than about 6 good songs per album these days, Liam ain't coming close. And even if he did,sadly that's not how it works nowadays anyway
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 18, 2015 14:02:50 GMT -5
"People didn't know who Beady Eye were"
Oh come on..
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on May 18, 2015 14:35:04 GMT -5
Disagree that people didn't know who Beady Eye were. They did, they just instantly wrote them off BECAUSE it was Liam.
Works both ways, they had an instant fanbase because of Liam's popularity, but also a glass ceiling because the public in general dislike him
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Post by Crazy Joe Davola on May 18, 2015 14:41:23 GMT -5
Karma's a bitch....can't tàlk shit about everyone except your hardcore fanbase and expect to be get far, and even some of the hardcore fanbase turñed their backs.
Lesson here: don't be an asshole to people for no reason.
God bless.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 18, 2015 14:55:55 GMT -5
I really agree with the last three posts.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on May 19, 2015 14:45:44 GMT -5
A liam gallagher solo album would double beady eyes sales , people simply didnt know who they were. Think like this take the noel gallagher away from high flying birds and you can take a million sales off that first album straight away. I don't think a Liam Gallagher solo album would do any better than Beady Eye. Not unless he's got some sort of top ten smash up his sleeve. Not that I'm bothered, I would just hope its good.
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Jun 1, 2015 16:52:18 GMT -5
I don't think it's the lack of gallagher in the band name...it's mainly that the thing that sells nowadays is not oasis/BDI music.
I revisited BE Today (well the absolute gig) and I really like some of the tracks...yet I know it would never have made it big regardless if any brand / marketing. "Just saying" is a great little track...just as is NGHFBs "aka...broken arrow ", but I'm happy to have both as fans songs...got to stop worrying about 1994-7 it wont happen again (thankfully)
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jun 1, 2015 17:00:31 GMT -5
I don't think it's the lack of gallagher in the band name...it's mainly that the thing that sells nowadays is not oasis/BDI music. I revisited BE Today (well the absolute gig) and I really like some of the tracks...yet I know it would never have made it big regardless if any brand / marketing. "Just saying" is a great little track...just as is NGHFBs "aka...broken arrow ", but I'm happy to have both as fans songs...got to stop worrying about 1994-7 it wont happen again (thankfully) So you don't think Oasis would sell shit loads more than BE or Chasing yesterday?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 1, 2015 17:43:52 GMT -5
I don't think it's the lack of gallagher in the band name...it's mainly that the thing that sells nowadays is not oasis/BDI music. I revisited BE Today (well the absolute gig) and I really like some of the tracks...yet I know it would never have made it big regardless if any brand / marketing. "Just saying" is a great little track...just as is NGHFBs "aka...broken arrow ", but I'm happy to have both as fans songs...got to stop worrying about 1994-7 it wont happen again (thankfully) So you don't think Oasis would sell shit loads more than BE or Chasing yesterday? Well, NGHFB sold more than DOYS in the UK
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Jun 2, 2015 0:29:03 GMT -5
So you don't think Oasis would sell shit loads more than BE or Chasing yesterday? Well, NGHFB sold more than DOYS in the UK And NGHFB was marketed really well...things like AKA...what a life were present on football related adverts, it was shouted out a lot more.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jun 2, 2015 12:18:30 GMT -5
Well, NGHFB sold more than DOYS in the UK And NGHFB was marketed really well...things like AKA...what a life were present on football related adverts, it was shouted out a lot more. I think what it boils down to is Oasis/Noel have a huge amount of very casual fans. Its reflected in the crowds at those gigs too. Manchester Academy/Blackpool and even Paris to see Beady Eye were a so much better experience for me than all 3 Noel gigs I have been to. The crowds were singing along to the vast majority of the songs and you felt like you were at a gig with proper fans. Noel was great live but I found it staggering at the lack of knowledge people around me had of new songs and even old oasis songs like digsys dinner (heard someone say they think its a bside to heat of the moment lol). Sales wise this is translated and reflects the point I earlier made about how putting the name out there sells records.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 2, 2015 12:36:01 GMT -5
i wonder what ever happened to the rights of the book liam bought about the beatles apple label and how pretty green were gonna be the costume designers on the movie and beady eye were gonna do the sountrack
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jun 16, 2015 23:20:25 GMT -5
Disagree that people didn't know who Beady Eye were. They did, they just instantly wrote them off BECAUSE it was Liam. Works both ways, they had an instant fanbase because of Liam's popularity, but also a glass ceiling because the public in general dislike him I disagree with this. I think in general (and certainly before the split) both Gallaghers are looked at as arrogant twats by the general public. It never stopped Oasis selling shit loads. While I agree Noel has crafted a media persona to distance himself from the 90s noel (that was basically Liam's arrogance and foul mouth with slightly more wit and bitterness), you only have to look at any public forum to see he's still hated in vast amounts. Like I said the casual fanbase for Oasis his huge. And when I say casual I mean very casual. Liam Gallagher with a good promotion and good songs will sell and get a no.1 album.
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Post by lamboasis on Jun 22, 2015 6:13:45 GMT -5
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Post by Rolo on Jun 22, 2015 7:54:17 GMT -5
Great to hear, love PG.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 22, 2015 8:29:00 GMT -5
I'd love for Pretty Green to open a store in New York City. I'd have to strongly consider to work there on the side. Would be interesting. Liam needs to get Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Steph Curry and Jordan Spieth in some PG shirts ASAP. Maybe Leo Dicaprio.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jun 22, 2015 15:57:20 GMT -5
Good to see Pretty green doing well, I've finally got myself a new pair of pretty green jeans, only £55 in the sale.
First PG thing I've bought in ages
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