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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 13, 2015 16:13:53 GMT -5
I love the Beatles. And I love Liam's voice. So, to an extent it doesn't bother me that Beady Eye were making similar sounding, if inferior, music. It's still more enjoyable to listen to than 90% of the shit you hear on the radio and in the clubs. I love The Beatles too, got every song they ever did, all the Anthologies and numerous books on them, and I love Oasis. But Oasis/Beady Eye/ Noel (certainly in the way Dave Sardy loved retro shite production) trying to sound like The Beatles is just really really lazy, uninspired, narrow minded and backward looking. Ironically, to take influence from such an innovative, ground breaking band as The Beatles, Oasis never sounded so backwards and derivative and just plain shit when they tried to sound like The Beatles. Some of the songs are just embarrassing - Dig Out Your Soul took things to the maximum in terms of being derivative of The Beatles, and the less I say about some of Beady Eye's debut songs ( and some from BE), the better. And everything has been said about how annoyingly retro the production from the first Noel album was (the sparse sounding tunes such as I'd Pick You Everytime and Alone on bathe Rope were the better produced tunes). I've said this before, but it's really sad that when Oasis were at their peak, there was merely a nod towards the Fab Four, but once the 2000s came, it was a full on headbutt. And it was really really really boring. Agreed. And in that sense Gem and Andy coming in didn't help because they're Beatles fanatics too. Amazingly, Noel was the first to get bored.
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Post by glider on Feb 13, 2015 17:00:18 GMT -5
I love the Beatles. And I love Liam's voice. So, to an extent it doesn't bother me that Beady Eye were making similar sounding, if inferior, music. It's still more enjoyable to listen to than 90% of the shit you hear on the radio and in the clubs. I love The Beatles too, got every song they ever did, all the Anthologies and numerous books on them, and I love Oasis. But Oasis/Beady Eye/ Noel (certainly in the way Dave Sardy loved retro shite production) trying to sound like The Beatles is just really really lazy, uninspired, narrow minded and backward looking. Ironically, to take influence from such an innovative, ground breaking band as The Beatles, Oasis never sounded so backwards and derivative and just plain shit when they tried to sound like The Beatles. Some of the songs are just embarrassing - Dig Out Your Soul took things to the maximum in terms of being derivative of The Beatles, and the less I say about some of Beady Eye's debut songs ( and some from BE), the better. And everything has been said about how annoyingly retro the production from the first Noel album was (the sparse sounding tunes such as I'd Pick You Everytime and Alone on bathe Rope were the better produced tunes). I've said this before, but it's really sad that when Oasis were at their peak, there was merely a nod towards the Fab Four, but once the 2000s came, it was a full on headbutt. And it was really really really boring. The Beatles influence is what killed Beady Eye's chances of having any material comparable or even better than Noel's stuff. They rushed out DGSS with a bunch of songs that didn't have a memorable resonance or great center of creativity. Its a damn shame that Liam, Gem, and Andy didn't wait a year and a half like Noel to produce new tracks, and it shows with stupid songs like Beatles and Stones and Bring the Light. BE was definitely the album they needed. It has some lackluster tunes like 2nd Bite of the Apple and Don't Brother Me, but I'm hard pressed to find any over indulgent Beatles influence in it, and I actually enjoy a good amount of tracks on it (Mainly the acoustics). It would be interesting what their 3rd album would've been, but I think their efforts musically to try and find their niche rock style ended with BE. Its a exciting time to hear a more modernized Noel, who is taking what makes his past work great and evolving it into different genres of rock and pop, even some jazz.
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Post by matt on Feb 13, 2015 17:02:35 GMT -5
I love The Beatles too, got every song they ever did, all the Anthologies and numerous books on them, and I love Oasis. But Oasis/Beady Eye/ Noel (certainly in the way Dave Sardy loved retro shite production) trying to sound like The Beatles is just really really lazy, uninspired, narrow minded and backward looking. Ironically, to take influence from such an innovative, ground breaking band as The Beatles, Oasis never sounded so backwards and derivative and just plain shit when they tried to sound like The Beatles. Some of the songs are just embarrassing - Dig Out Your Soul took things to the maximum in terms of being derivative of The Beatles, and the less I say about some of Beady Eye's debut songs ( and some from BE), the better. And everything has been said about how annoyingly retro the production from the first Noel album was (the sparse sounding tunes such as I'd Pick You Everytime and Alone on bathe Rope were the better produced tunes). I've said this before, but it's really sad that when Oasis were at their peak, there was merely a nod towards the Fab Four, but once the 2000s came, it was a full on headbutt. And it was really really really boring. The Beatles influence is what killed Beady Eye's chances of having any material comparable or even better than Noel's stuff. They rushed out DGSS with a bunch of songs that didn't have a memorable resonance or great center of creativity. Its a damn shame that Liam, Gem, and Andy didn't wait a year and a half like Noel to produce new tracks, and it shows with stupid songs like Beatles and Stones and Bring the Light. BE was definitely the album they needed. It has some lackluster tunes like 2nd Bite of the Apple and Don't Brother Me, but I'm hard pressed to find any over indulgent Beatles influence in it, and I actually enjoy a good amount of tracks on it (Mainly the acoustics). It would be interesting what their 3rd album would've been, but I think their efforts musically to try and find their niche rock style ended with BE. Its a exciting time to hear a more modernized Noel, who is taking what makes his past work great and evolving it into different genres of rock and pop, even some jazz. If they'd allowed Dave Sitek to take the reigns again, I'm sure he could have pushed them further into a modern much better sound. Liam and co just needed to be a bit more open minded and ambitious, and put the faith in a top producer like Sitek, because BE had promising signs of a band with a future rather than one constrained by the past.
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Post by dennizz on Feb 13, 2015 17:02:46 GMT -5
I love The Beatles too, got every song they ever did, all the Anthologies and numerous books on them, and I love Oasis. But Oasis/Beady Eye/ Noel (certainly in the way Dave Sardy loved retro shite production) trying to sound like The Beatles is just really really lazy, uninspired, narrow minded and backward looking. Ironically, to take influence from such an innovative, ground breaking band as The Beatles, Oasis never sounded so backwards and derivative and just plain shit when they tried to sound like The Beatles. Some of the songs are just embarrassing - Dig Out Your Soul took things to the maximum in terms of being derivative of The Beatles, and the less I say about some of Beady Eye's debut songs ( and some from BE), the better. And everything has been said about how annoyingly retro the production from the first Noel album was (the sparse sounding tunes such as I'd Pick You Everytime and Alone on bathe Rope were the better produced tunes). I've said this before, but it's really sad that when Oasis were at their peak, there was merely a nod towards the Fab Four, but once the 2000s came, it was a full on headbutt. And it was really really really boring. Agreed. And in that sense Gem and Andy coming in didn't help because they're Beatles fanatics too. Amazingly, Noel was the first to get bored. i think the beatles/60's influence worked well on Don't Believe The Truth. I know alot of you don't agree but for me that album was a breath of fresh in Oasis' career. Granted no every song is a winner but i love the feel of that album
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 17:10:22 GMT -5
Dave Sitek was the best thing that happened to Beady Eye. I do enjoy patches of DGSS but sonically it was stuff we had all heard before. Some of the tunes were good enough but the production wasn't there.
BE, however, is a different story. From the trumpets on Flick of The Finger to the psychedelic outro on Don't Brother Me it's got really interesting sounds on it. Even some of the poorer tunes were saved by the great production.
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Post by glider on Feb 13, 2015 17:23:35 GMT -5
Dave Sitek was the best thing that happened to Beady Eye. I do enjoy patches of DGSS but sonically it was stuff we had all heard before. Some of the tunes were good enough but the production wasn't there. BE, however, is a different story. From the trumpets on Flick of The Finger to the psychedelic outro on Don't Brother Me it's got really interesting sounds on it. Even some of the poorer tunes were saved by the great production. I feel that there was no coordinated direction when they recorded DGSS, as with Be Here Now. Every song was overblown rockers for no reason except for Beat Goes On (which is the most Beatles influenced track on the album) and Morning Son, which would've been good if it had been stripped down to a purely acoustic track, no echoes, and shortened outro.
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Feb 13, 2015 17:46:38 GMT -5
Agreed. And in that sense Gem and Andy coming in didn't help because they're Beatles fanatics too. Amazingly, Noel was the first to get bored. i think the beatles/60's influence worked well on Don't Believe The Truth. I know alot of you don't agree but for me that album was a breath of fresh in Oasis' career. Granted no every song is a winner but i love the feel of that album Hmmmm... I think from SOTSOG's and onwards, Oasis were basically descending into Beady Eye. Heathen Chemistry I thought was f#cking awful. Don't Believe The Truth was ok but I can definitely hear the Soundtrack Of Our Lives influence in it and a lot of the later stuff. DGSS was half good(ish) but BE? Apart from Flick of the Finger I think it was shocking. Whereas I love Noels first HFB's LP and think it will stand the test of time and listening to Ballad of the mighty I, it sounds modern to me which is good. Like Defo Maybe and Morning Glory sounded modern at the time - (even tho heavily influenced by the past) rather than rehashing (Born on a different cloud etc) old songs that have already been written by someone else.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 13, 2015 17:47:32 GMT -5
Dave Sitek couldn't have saved them. You can't polish a turd.
Also, Don't Believe The Truth has aged quite badly in my eyes.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 13, 2015 17:50:17 GMT -5
Dave Sitek couldn't have saved them. You can't polish a turd. Also, Don't Believe The Truth has aged quite badly in my eyes. Sitek did a fine job producing. Beady Eye sounds modern. A good thing. I agree with DBTT. I don't really listen to it from start to finish. I pick my moments. Such as Turn Up The Sun, Mucky Fingers, Lyla, The Importance of Beinf Idle and Guess God Thinks I'm Abel.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 13, 2015 17:55:21 GMT -5
Dave Sitek couldn't have saved them. You can't polish a turd. Also, Don't Believe The Truth has aged quite badly in my eyes. Sitek did a fine job producing. Beady Eye sounds modern. A good thing. I agree with DBTT. I don't really listen to it from start to finish. I pick my moments. Such as Turn Up The Sun, Mucky Fingers, Lyla, The Importance of Beinf Idle and Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. Oh yeah, he was a great producer, and made the songs sound better. But the songs weren't really there, and though able to write an enjoyable song or two, LAG just aren't very good songwriters. And you can't make a bad song fantastic just with producing. For me, with a lot of Beady Eye songs, it just feels like there's lacking something, you know? The songs I listen to from DBTT are Lyla, Turn Up The Sun, The Importance of Being Idle, Part Of The Queue and Let There Be Love (sometimes, because it drags on a bit). I sometimes, sometimes, listen to Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. Not often.
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Post by matt on Feb 13, 2015 22:54:25 GMT -5
i think the beatles/60's influence worked well on Don't Believe The Truth. I know alot of you don't agree but for me that album was a breath of fresh in Oasis' career. Granted no every song is a winner but i love the feel of that album Hmmmm... I think from SOTSOG's and onwards, Oasis were basically descending into Beady Eye. Heathen Chemistry I thought was f#cking awful. Don't Believe The Truth was ok but I can definitely hear the Soundtrack Of Our Lives influence in it and a lot of the later stuff. DGSS was half good(ish) but BE? Apart from Flick of the Finger I think it was shocking. Whereas I love Noels first HFB's LP and think it will stand the test of time and listening to Ballad of the mighty I, it sounds modern to me which is good. Like Defo Maybe and Morning Glory sounded modern at the time - (even tho heavily influenced by the past) rather than rehashing (Born on a different cloud etc) old songs that have already been written by someone else. Yep totally agree with your last paragraph here - Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory were retro influences being brought into the modern era - to be fair on Owen Morris he contributed much to the modern sound of those records, the brick walling effect was pretty new for the time and it was that and shoe gazing influences which influenced that wall of guitar sound which was just so raw, reckless but bloody fantastic to listen to. But Morris should also take credit for slick production for songs like Rockin Chair and Cast no Shadow which were very clean cut and not muddy or muffly sounding like Oasis 2002 onwards or the dreaded Dave Sardy productions. For the majority after that, instead of Oasis using retro influences and bringing a modern take on them, they merely just sounded retro and stuck in the 1960s. Apart for sparse sounding songs like Alone on the Rope and a handful from Standing in the Shoulders, the new Noel songs are probably the first songs I've heard in ages that sound like they are fairly representative of the time they were produced.
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Post by World71R on Feb 14, 2015 9:44:16 GMT -5
Sitek did a fine job producing. Beady Eye sounds modern. A good thing. I agree with DBTT. I don't really listen to it from start to finish. I pick my moments. Such as Turn Up The Sun, Mucky Fingers, Lyla, The Importance of Beinf Idle and Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. Oh yeah, he was a great producer, and made the songs sound better. But the songs weren't really there, and though able to write an enjoyable song or two, LAG just aren't very good songwriters. And you can't make a bad song fantastic just with producing. For me, with a lot of Beady Eye songs, it just feels like there's lacking something, you know? The songs I listen to from DBTT are Lyla, Turn Up The Sun, The Importance of Being Idle, Part Of The Queue and Let There Be Love (sometimes, because it drags on a bit). I sometimes, sometimes, listen to Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. Not often. Just think if Dave Sitek had produced an Oasis album. IMO, I think DOYS would've sounded pretty cool with his production. It seemed like it was right on the cusp of having a somewhat modern sound (AGN, TSOTL), but it just didn't fully execute it all the way through (WFTR, IOT). The album's still good, but there are obvious retro touches. As for DBTT, I appear to be the minority here because I love the album all the way through. There's such a great feeling and the songs are back on form. You could definitely tell the band was having fun at the time.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 14, 2015 18:59:44 GMT -5
There was a review that said that if you had heard HFB1, this album wouldn't be surprising. I've never seen a more inaccurate statement. This is VASTLY different from HFB.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 14, 2015 21:31:15 GMT -5
Where's Pitchfork, the bunch of hipster mugs.
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Post by nahuel89p on Feb 14, 2015 23:02:57 GMT -5
Rate Your Music site, 23 ratings, scoring 3.66/5 First ratings are expected to be by fans.
NGHFBs I got 3.46
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Post by jonnylud on Feb 15, 2015 3:29:06 GMT -5
Have to agree with a lot of these things, Noel's the best song writer- he should have done all the songs. However I must admit Second Bite of the Apples chorus I absolute love. I think it must be the way Liam says "come on" it's always turned me on musically lol.. Production may mean a lot but it's the quality of the songs that count really, and the songwriters in Beady eye just didn't have Noel's craft.. Having said that I also think Noel got lazy at the end of Oasis- I mean the best songs on Dig out your Soul were his IMO but get off your high horse lady? I mean who said this was good!!!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2015 9:46:26 GMT -5
Have to agree with a lot of these things, Noel's the best song writer- he should have done all the songs. However I must admit Second Bite of the Apples chorus I absolute love. I think it must be the way Liam says "come on" it's always turned me on musically lol.. Production may mean a lot but it's the quality of the songs that count really, and the songwriters in Beady eye just didn't have Noel's craft.. Having said that I also think Noel got lazy at the end of Oasis- I mean the best songs on Dig out your Soul were his IMO but get off your high horse lady? I mean who said this was good!!! HHL is one of the songs that Noel replaced the original tracklistings for (think RM in this instance, actually) due to Liam fucking off to get married. In all fairness, it works brilliantly within in the context of the album. DOYS is let down by just AGN, TNOR, and SO....all of which LAG are responsible.
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Post by summersox on Feb 15, 2015 10:08:37 GMT -5
DOYS is let down by just AGN, TNOR, and SO....all of which LAG are responsible. Well, it was Noel's choice to have TNOR on the album. I remember Andy saying that he gave Noel 5 demos of songs for the album and he felt that TNOR was the weakest so was surprised when Noel said that was the one he wanted them to do.
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Post by allingoodtime on Feb 15, 2015 12:04:41 GMT -5
Theres only 2 songs which I like off this album, I liked HFB1 tbh, dont like the direction he took with this new one though
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Feb 15, 2015 12:23:45 GMT -5
Where's Pitchfork, the bunch of hipster mugs. Pitchfork is going to praise this album.
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Post by carlober on Feb 15, 2015 12:27:20 GMT -5
Where's Pitchfork, the bunch of hipster mugs. Pitchfork is going to praise this album. No way!
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Post by Manualex on Feb 15, 2015 12:32:39 GMT -5
Pitchfork is going to praise this album. No way! sis
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Post by summersox on Feb 15, 2015 16:06:28 GMT -5
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 15, 2015 16:32:14 GMT -5
Pitchfork is going to praise this album. No way! They will praise but they will give 5.9 or something.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 16:38:36 GMT -5
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