|
Post by andymorris on Sept 27, 2017 6:37:26 GMT -5
We'll hear those sessions in an anthology form, in like 20 years, even maybe after Noel is dead. Cant see him reworking those songs and certainly not working with the AA again. When Noel is done, he is done. No way. I heard somewhere Gaz is turning up at weddings turning water into wine but I can't confirm those rumours. And i bet he's blaming the guests when they actually tell him it's still regular water.
|
|
|
Post by akaidleroses on Sept 27, 2017 9:46:56 GMT -5
We'll hear those sessions in an anthology form, in like 20 years, even maybe after Noel is dead. Cant see him reworking those songs and certainly not working with the AA again. When Noel is done, he is done. No way. I heard somewhere Gaz is turning up at weddings turning water into wine but I can't confirm those rumours. And i bet he's blaming the guests when they actually tell him it's still regular water. Icing on the cake with that post
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 10:04:14 GMT -5
Noel said they they were more interested in making an album for them rather than an album for him so I doubt it was what he wanted in the end.
|
|
|
Post by eleysium on Sept 27, 2017 10:09:59 GMT -5
I don't see him doing anything with that stuff, maybe Gaz will leak it 20 years from now. I think a collaboration album with Damon is more likely.
|
|
|
Post by spaneli on Sept 27, 2017 10:36:18 GMT -5
Just for fun, if Noel's new psychedelic/ experimental album is a success do people think it increases the chances of: 1. Noel actually finishing the AA album mixes and releasing it some day (on a HFB anniversary edition for example) 2. Noel working with the AA again? Or was the CY writing credit debacle and stupidly low remix payment offer damaged the relationship beyond repair? Seems to me David Holmes managed to achieve exactly what the AA were trying to do in getting Noel to write and try new things in the studio but the AA failed due to circumstances like the fact Noel already had an album written, personalities, record label risk aversion due to it being a debut album etc. Something I'm wondering is given that this album seems very much like what Noel had in mind for the AA album anyway, how many ideas or even whole songs from the AA sessions have ended up on this new album? I could totally imagine Noel pretending to spontaneously come up with something in the studio to impress David Holmes, when in reality he's actually presenting a song or idea that the AA themselves may have even come up with. Noel is a total blagger as we know! I imagine Gaz is gagging to give it a listen. Noel actually mentioned that he tried to sneak riffs that he'd previously written by Holmes, but Holmes caught him every single time. He said he really tried to write only within the studio.
|
|
|
Post by fleafly on Sept 28, 2017 10:31:17 GMT -5
anyway, you can be sure that guy will post another rant on facebook when the album comes out. he's probably writing it right now.
|
|
|
Post by matt on Sept 28, 2017 14:18:12 GMT -5
Working relationship is all very well, but I suppose the personal relationship is so vital to the creative process. Can't remember the exact details, but wasn't there the idea that AA were going to take Noel to India and indulge him in meditative therapy or something like that?
For Noel - a salt of the earth guy - this idea does seem preposterous. But when you watch David Holmes in interviews or read him, he has that same gruff, straight talking mentality that Noel shares. There's no pretension to the way he views things, and maybe that has something to do with his respective modest background like Noel, so perhaps he was able to persuade Noel to do things differently simply by the way of being open, honest and modest in his manner of communication.
|
|
|
Post by mostlyharmless on Sept 29, 2017 7:32:12 GMT -5
Noel said they they were more interested in making an album for them rather than an album for him so I doubt it was what he wanted in the end. Actually, he can say the same thing about the DH collaboration - 'David Holmes kept telling me what to do and rejecting my ideas.' The same story can be told very differently depending on the way you frame it. With all due respect to David Holmes, who did an excellent job for dragging Noel out of his comfort zone - I suspect Noel also said to himself he can't fuck this up a second time.
|
|
|
Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 29, 2017 8:03:34 GMT -5
Noel said they they were more interested in making an album for them rather than an album for him so I doubt it was what he wanted in the end. Actually, he can say the same thing about the DH collaboration - 'David Holmes kept telling me what to do and rejecting my ideas.' The same story can be told very differently depending on the way you frame it. With all due respect to David Holmes, who did an excellent job for dragging Noel out of his comfort zone - I suspect Noel also said to himself he can't fuck this up a second time. I think DH might have understood Noel better than the AA did. You know, the direction he wanted to go, but also the kind of person Noel is.
|
|
|
Post by spaneli on Sept 29, 2017 8:29:22 GMT -5
Noel said they they were more interested in making an album for them rather than an album for him so I doubt it was what he wanted in the end. Actually, he can say the same thing about the DH collaboration - 'David Holmes kept telling me what to do and rejecting my ideas.' The same story can be told very differently depending on the way you frame it. With all due respect to David Holmes, who did an excellent job for dragging Noel out of his comfort zone - I suspect Noel also said to himself he can't fuck this up a second time. I think there's a difference between rejecting ideas and pushing an artist to better themselves. I think Noel said something to the effect that he would record, and then the AA would take it (some of his worst takes) and change it to something that he didn't want. It made him feel like he was making an AA album featuring Noel Gallagher rather than a Noel Gallagher album featuring the AA. That sounds completely different than David Holmes. Like you can push an artist to be better, but you can't hijack their project in the process.
|
|
|
Post by mostlyharmless on Sept 29, 2017 8:34:45 GMT -5
Actually, he can say the same thing about the DH collaboration - 'David Holmes kept telling me what to do and rejecting my ideas.' The same story can be told very differently depending on the way you frame it. With all due respect to David Holmes, who did an excellent job for dragging Noel out of his comfort zone - I suspect Noel also said to himself he can't fuck this up a second time. I think DH might have understood Noel better than the AA did. You know, the direction he wanted to go, but also the kind of person Noel is. Yeah, from what we heard, there's definitely better chemistry between them. I'm just saying although the AA project didn't work out, it may not be as bad as Noel described. In fact it might sort of serve as a stepping stone for Noel to finally make up his mind and be more collaborative this time.
|
|
|
Post by sfsorrow on Sept 29, 2017 8:34:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I think I take Noel at his word when he says simply that he didn't like the way the AA stuff sounded in the end and, in this case, he does. He mentioned in one of the recent interviews about how he told Holmes, to Holmes's shock, that he could have pulled out at any time.
However, I do think there is also something to the argument that Noel is more confident in making a more left-field album now than he was in 2011.
|
|
|
Post by mostlyharmless on Sept 29, 2017 9:12:30 GMT -5
Actually, he can say the same thing about the DH collaboration - 'David Holmes kept telling me what to do and rejecting my ideas.' The same story can be told very differently depending on the way you frame it. With all due respect to David Holmes, who did an excellent job for dragging Noel out of his comfort zone - I suspect Noel also said to himself he can't fuck this up a second time. I think there's a difference between rejecting ideas and pushing an artist to better themselves. I think Noel said something to the effect that he would record, and then the AA would take it (some of his worst takes) and change it to something that he didn't want. It made him feel like he was making an AA album featuring Noel Gallagher rather than a Noel Gallagher album featuring the AA. That sounds completely different than David Holmes. Like you can push an artist to be better, but you can't hijack their project in the process. Conceptually I agree with you I'm just taking what Noel said with a pinch of salt. From AA point of view, they thought they were indeed pushing an artist to better themselves, that's why they were frustrated too. The worst takes they picked, were probably the ones that differ from the 'safe' ones the most, who knows, we really have no idea without hearing them. Noel also said himself that working with Holmes seemingly came at the right time - so if they teamed up earlier, maybe he would not like the output either. That's why there's hope that Noel may have a different view on the work with AA now - but of course, more likely he looks back and still thinks it's shit.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 9:14:41 GMT -5
I think we have to remember that Noel made his album with David Holmes off the back of two successful solo albums. He had something to prove after Oasis that he doesn't have to now. I suspect that he (and the people around him) couldn't stomach the risk back then, whereas he's a lot more comfortable making something different now.
|
|
|
Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 29, 2017 9:18:44 GMT -5
I need to take a 2-3 year break from all things AA related.
|
|
|
Post by Derrick on Sept 29, 2017 14:01:11 GMT -5
I need to take a 2-3 year break from all things AA related. I just can't do it anymore guys, I just can't.
|
|
|
Post by mossy on Sept 29, 2017 14:52:51 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by mossy on Nov 17, 2017 11:50:51 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 12:17:38 GMT -5
Good for Noel for owning up to it.
|
|
|
Post by GlastoEls on Nov 17, 2017 12:52:31 GMT -5
Fair play Noel.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 13:05:49 GMT -5
So where's the apology for shitting all over them?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 13:17:02 GMT -5
So where's the apology for shitting all over them? lol
|
|
|
Post by MONO on Nov 17, 2017 13:19:15 GMT -5
He should have said that from the beginning.
|
|
|
Post by Les Grossman on Nov 17, 2017 13:26:57 GMT -5
Guessing the AA were paid or paid more for their work from those previous sessions, and that's also why they've been quiet lately...
Thanks.
|
|
|
Post by ricardogce on Nov 17, 2017 13:41:45 GMT -5
So where's the apology for shitting all over them? In the post, along with his heartfelt apology to Tony.
|
|