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Post by matt on Feb 18, 2017 14:56:40 GMT -5
Gaz seems to be having a serious crywank about this. Well if you'd put two years worth of work into something to then realise its all been compromised for dad rock plodders, then I'd say him just having a crywank means he's dealing with it pretty well.
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Post by morning_rain on Feb 18, 2017 15:24:36 GMT -5
Has Gaz revealed what the original tracklist was? I assume it was HFB + the mexican and the right stuff?
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 18, 2017 15:46:00 GMT -5
Has Gaz revealed what the original tracklist was? I assume it was HFB + the mexican and the right stuff? Minus What a Life plus Ballad of the Mighty I.
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Post by mossy on Feb 18, 2017 16:50:09 GMT -5
Gaz seems to be having a serious crywank about this. I hope he's using Vaseline because he's been going at it hard for quite some time now...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 17:15:08 GMT -5
Gaz seems to be having a serious crywank about this. I hope he's using Vaseline because he's been going at it hard for quite some time now...
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Post by Manualex on Feb 18, 2017 17:44:30 GMT -5
Gaz seems to be having a serious crywank about this. I hope he's using Vaseline because he's been going at it hard for quite some time now... Flies in the vasoline we are, sometimes it blows my mind, keep getting stuck here all the time...
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Post by colddrystone on Feb 18, 2017 19:08:43 GMT -5
I hope he's using Vaseline because he's been going at it hard for quite some time now... Flies in the vasoline we are, sometimes it blows my mind, keep getting stuck here all the time... IS IT YOU, IS IT ME? SEARCH FOR THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE! To be fair to Gaz, he worked on something for months only to be lied to and for it to never see the light of day. Plus he's only really responding to fans who want to know the details, he's not just venting about Noel daily off his own back.
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Post by matt on Feb 18, 2017 21:03:23 GMT -5
Flies in the vasoline we are, sometimes it blows my mind, keep getting stuck here all the time... IS IT YOU, IS IT ME? SEARCH FOR THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE! To be fair to Gaz, he worked on something for months only to be lied to and for it to never see the light of day. Plus he's only really responding to fans who want to know the details, he's not just venting about Noel daily off his own back. Wow, surprised you came crawling back here Leaf, still pretending to be someone you're not. Weirdo.
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Post by colddrystone on Feb 18, 2017 21:20:02 GMT -5
IS IT YOU, IS IT ME? SEARCH FOR THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE! To be fair to Gaz, he worked on something for months only to be lied to and for it to never see the light of day. Plus he's only really responding to fans who want to know the details, he's not just venting about Noel daily off his own back. Wow, surprised you came crawling back here Leaf, still pretending to be someone you're not. Weirdo. Get help, dude.
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Post by matt on Feb 18, 2017 22:37:58 GMT -5
Wow, surprised you came crawling back here Leaf, still pretending to be someone you're not. Weirdo. Get help, dude. To be fair, I'd have to hide my identity too out of embarrassment if I supported Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 23:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by mossy on Feb 19, 2017 13:08:06 GMT -5
Interesting...
"Quite a lot of the visions haven't been wasted ... just utilizing them on our album ๐ป๐๐"
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Post by theseventwenty on Feb 19, 2017 16:56:18 GMT -5
Interesting to hear that Gem played on some early back versions of HFB stuff. Wonder if he did that during Oasis times, or when Beady Eye was happening or what... "He mullered the Mexican ... it was a honky tonk piano loose Stones / Monday's ' gimme shelter ' with a great groove and sonics before he quo'd it up and stripped it of any character ๐๐but he's more keen to make sure he keeps 100 % ( in his mind that simply equates to dropping all evidence of that person as if that wipes the original backing track and sole reason the track exists in the first place - it doesn't ! Thinking about it ... I wanted to use great sounds on previous mixes which he was dead set against ( the mighty I original guitar is by Strangeboy and totally amazing and I suspect cutting it out meant he didn't have to acknowledge help / writing / collaboration cos why else drop it ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? ...was a rare moment of liberated brilliance probably written at a very early pivotal jamming stage ( so I was told ) .. Also similarly with files from Gem and co ... I wasn't allowed to use even though as a sample freak they clearly deserved their place above and beyond what he'd recorded cos they were great and had character .... I'm getting it now .... uses people to write , then piggy backs & discards taking his chords and lyric to the next producer Yes ... noise coming from his camp is ALL about writing IN THE STUDIO to new backing tracks ( exactly like Mexican / Right Stuff which was first time he'd ever worked like that and boy he resisted ) and DH is saying traditionally NG is mid paced and not much fun ... It's like US talking , another campaign built on our initiative ... selling him according to answering our critique ... I've written a song which kinda sums it up , it's called ' the man who went to extraordinary lengths to remain the same ' ๐๐๐ it's a psych classic ๐๐๐๐ป๐โ๏ธ"
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Post by theseventwenty on Feb 19, 2017 17:01:28 GMT -5
And another little interesting snippet on the workflow in general and sound of this album:
"Gaz Hunter - shoot a hole / Mexican / right stuff and a coupla others were stuff we initiated to balance the fact everything else was his tracks , his structure ( bar the odd extended intro / mid 8 / wig out ) and needed material more challenging to make HIS FIRST SOLO album satisfying .... At the same time it was made for middle England with a sting in the tail .... It totally satisfied me too ... it was a clever game ... ideas maximized , songs coherent but retaining what he's good at ( songs !!!!!) It was too clever perhaps for ' MR WAY OUT ' ( we weren't interested in being way out , just getting what suited the tracks and it being good , working and interesting ! ... Noel ,once he'd decided on that wall of acoustic Americanized strum which he evidently thought was his ' commercial ' statement only had place for 8 min sprawl that gave him experimental cred from us ( especially since he sold the first album amid the expectation he was doing something different with us ) In other words We were used to pepper his campaign so he could just do what he always does ... This is the real reason you'll never hear our RECORD MACHINE or 'Death of '
The Beatles / Floyd don't have alternative versions of the main song , once he decided that shite IF I HAD A GUN was it he'll literally bury gold so as to not muddy the waters of his ' official version '"
Surprised none of you have clocked that he chooses shite largely instrumental remixes that don't challenge his song too much . Our Falling Down is rare in that it had the song in it !
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Post by theseventwenty on Feb 19, 2017 17:07:21 GMT -5
And a bit on the possibility of him releasing it:
"It's a weird one tho Daniel Habibi - catch 22 - I dump unfinished material ( unfinished for all the reasons given - namely him not fulfilling his part of the process by doing final mix ) which people then judge as my finished work ?
It would need to be finished , either by us personally to prove a point ( but then 2 months minimum extra work by US so he can make tons of cash ? ) or finished by him to fulfill what he always promised as ' the final mix plan ' ?
...it's only us with 2 + years emotional investment that also has the artistic investment necessary to resolve this it seems .... it's fucked
To do it correctly we'd have to reconcile and finish it as it should have been finished in the first place really ...to both our satisfaction
Otherwise by releasing unfinished work I'd be investing a lot of trust in people to see how good it COULD HAVE BEEN
One track finished would lessen this workload & would work but still the question is - for what purpose ?"
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Post by spaneli on Feb 19, 2017 17:09:00 GMT -5
Interesting to hear that Gem played on some early back versions of HFB stuff. Wonder if he did that during Oasis times, or when Beady Eye was happening or what... "He mullered the Mexican ... it was a honky tonk piano loose Stones / Monday's ' gimme shelter ' with a great groove and sonics before he quo'd it up and stripped it of any character ๐๐but he's more keen to make sure he keeps 100 % ( in his mind that simply equates to dropping all evidence of that person as if that wipes the original backing track and sole reason the track exists in the first place - it doesn't ! Thinking about it ... I wanted to use great sounds on previous mixes which he was dead set against ( the mighty I original guitar is by Strangeboy and totally amazing and I suspect cutting it out meant he didn't have to acknowledge help / writing / collaboration cos why else drop it ? ...was a rare moment of liberated brilliance probably written at a very early pivotal jamming stage ( so I was told ) ..Also similarly with files from Gem and co ... I wasn't allowed to use even though as a sample freak they clearly deserved their place above and beyond what he'd recorded cos they were great and had character .... I'm getting it now .... uses people to write , then piggy backs & discards taking his chords and lyric to the next producer Yes ... noise coming from his camp is ALL about writing IN THE STUDIO to new backing tracks ( exactly like Mexican / Right Stuff which was first time he'd ever worked like that and boy he resisted ) and DH is saying traditionally NG is mid paced and not much fun ... It's like US talking , another campaign built on our initiative ... selling him according to answering our critique ... I've written a song which kinda sums it up , it's called ' the man who went to extraordinary lengths to remain the same ' ๐๐๐ it's a psych classic ๐๐๐๐ป๐โ๏ธ" Can I just say that Johnny Marr's solo on Ballad of the Mighty I is ace. Unless, Strangeboy really tore the roof off, then Noel made the right decision to hand the solo off to the greatest guitarist of his generation. Just sayin.... Next thing you know, Gaz will be taking credit for the sun being bright ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/1258801/images/A9bL_RjIN9bOhnrQxKjN.gif)
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Post by matt on Feb 19, 2017 17:39:26 GMT -5
Interesting to hear that Gem played on some early back versions of HFB stuff. Wonder if he did that during Oasis times, or when Beady Eye was happening or what... "He mullered the Mexican ... it was a honky tonk piano loose Stones / Monday's ' gimme shelter ' with a great groove and sonics before he quo'd it up and stripped it of any character ๐๐but he's more keen to make sure he keeps 100 % ( in his mind that simply equates to dropping all evidence of that person as if that wipes the original backing track and sole reason the track exists in the first place - it doesn't ! Thinking about it ... I wanted to use great sounds on previous mixes which he was dead set against ( the mighty I original guitar is by Strangeboy and totally amazing and I suspect cutting it out meant he didn't have to acknowledge help / writing / collaboration cos why else drop it ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? ...was a rare moment of liberated brilliance probably written at a very early pivotal jamming stage ( so I was told ) .. Also similarly with files from Gem and co ... I wasn't allowed to use even though as a sample freak they clearly deserved their place above and beyond what he'd recorded cos they were great and had character .... I'm getting it now .... uses people to write , then piggy backs & discards taking his chords and lyric to the next producer Yes ... noise coming from his camp is ALL about writing IN THE STUDIO to new backing tracks ( exactly like Mexican / Right Stuff which was first time he'd ever worked like that and boy he resisted ) and DH is saying traditionally NG is mid paced and not much fun ... It's like US talking , another campaign built on our initiative ... selling him according to answering our critique ... I've written a song which kinda sums it up , it's called ' the man who went to extraordinary lengths to remain the same ' ๐๐๐ it's a psych classic ๐๐๐๐ป๐โ๏ธ" Certainly towards the end of the Dig Out Your Soul production sessions in early 2008, Noel and Gem did indeed demo songs that would end up on Noel's debut. Dream On was one of them, I think Soldier Boys and Stranded On The Wrong Beach might have been a couple of other ones done. Dave Sardy allegedly 'raved about them' and said to Noel during sessions that 'we should totally record these now!'. It sounds like another excuse to have a dig at Sardy (it is!), but those songs mentioned don't come close to Noel's songwriting on Dig Out Your Soul. Personally, I thought it was a major indictment on Noel's songwriting that they were all bland mid tempo plodders with not much rhythmic variation - again, that's the producers role to try and mix things up a bit, and Sardy failed to do so on Noel's first album - who knows, Amorphous Androgynous could very well have versions in the lockers that really do mix things up a lot more.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 19, 2017 17:57:48 GMT -5
Do you solve the problem of not trusting people by being personally untrustworthy? I know people who don't trust others, they tend to be guarded rather than bullshiting people. Everyone is different mate. Ever heard of Stockholm syndrome ? That's a weird one too. Sometimes there's behaviors you just cant explain. I really dont think Noel is a bad person, but he probably has a side to him that is shitty, just like the rest of us. No one is perfect, and Noel is far from being perfect. I totally agree with you that people are complicated and have many sides,I was by no means saying he is an evil man by all accounts he seems to be a good father and husband. I just personally think he's a bit of a sly bullshitter and think the way he treated the AA lads was unpleasant.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 19, 2017 18:04:18 GMT -5
Interesting to hear that Gem played on some early back versions of HFB stuff. Wonder if he did that during Oasis times, or when Beady Eye was happening or what... "He mullered the Mexican ... it was a honky tonk piano loose Stones / Monday's ' gimme shelter ' with a great groove and sonics before he quo'd it up and stripped it of any character ๐๐but he's more keen to make sure he keeps 100 % ( in his mind that simply equates to dropping all evidence of that person as if that wipes the original backing track and sole reason the track exists in the first place - it doesn't ! Thinking about it ... I wanted to use great sounds on previous mixes which he was dead set against ( the mighty I original guitar is by Strangeboy and totally amazing and I suspect cutting it out meant he didn't have to acknowledge help / writing / collaboration cos why else drop it ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? ...was a rare moment of liberated brilliance probably written at a very early pivotal jamming stage ( so I was told ) .. Also similarly with files from Gem and co ... I wasn't allowed to use even though as a sample freak they clearly deserved their place above and beyond what he'd recorded cos they were great and had character .... I'm getting it now .... uses people to write , then piggy backs & discards taking his chords and lyric to the next producer Yes ... noise coming from his camp is ALL about writing IN THE STUDIO to new backing tracks ( exactly like Mexican / Right Stuff which was first time he'd ever worked like that and boy he resisted ) and DH is saying traditionally NG is mid paced and not much fun ... It's like US talking , another campaign built on our initiative ... selling him according to answering our critique ... I've written a song which kinda sums it up , it's called ' the man who went to extraordinary lengths to remain the same ' ๐๐๐ it's a psych classic ๐๐๐๐ป๐โ๏ธ" Certainly towards the end of the Dig Out Your Soul production sessions in early 2008, Noel and Gem did indeed demo songs that would end up on Noel's debut. Dream On was one of them, I think Soldier Boys and Stranded On The Wrong Beach might have been a couple of other ones done. Dave Sardy allegedly 'raved about them' and said to Noel during sessions that 'we should totally record these now!'. It sounds like another excuse to have a dig at Sardy (it is!), but those songs mentioned don't come close to Noel's songwriting on Dig Out Your Soul. Personally, I thought it was a major indictment on Noel's songwriting that they were all bland mid tempo plodders with not much rhythmic variation - again, that's the producers role to try and mix things up a bit, and Sardy failed to do so on Noel's first album - who knows, Amorphous Androgynous could very well have versions in the lockers that really do mix things up a lot more. least one track from DOYS was written in studio. Idk, seems like a weak shot by Gaz. Like you degrade him for "not putting the effort in" then when he's putting the effort it with David Holmes, you get pissy that it's not you receiving the credit. Come off it. Everything can't be your brilliance. I sometimes wonder who's more into their self, Gaz or Noel. Edit: The Ballad of the Mighty I story is weak too. No real reason to bring it up. Like he refers to the song as "liberated brilliance" as if he caused it to happen, even though he says it started in an earlier jam session, which I assume was without him since he doesn't give many details. Secondly, he complains that Strangeboy's part was cut, though it's not unusual for an artist to have multiple session musicians to play on a track if you're not satisfied anymore with the previous one, especially when that session musician is being replaced by Johnny Marr. If Johnny Marr, the greatest guitarist of his generation, said that he had an ace solo for my track, then bye bye Strangeboy. It comes off less as Gaz looking out for Strangeboy, and more Gaz being pissed that the solo was replaced, which negated HIS producing credit for the song, which really isn't all that underhanded. There's a lot of reasons to be sympathetic to Gaz, but the Might I story is a bridge too far, and more than a bit of a reach.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Feb 19, 2017 19:32:39 GMT -5
Certainly towards the end of the Dig Out Your Soul production sessions in early 2008, Noel and Gem did indeed demo songs that would end up on Noel's debut. Dream On was one of them, I think Soldier Boys and Stranded On The Wrong Beach might have been a couple of other ones done. Dave Sardy allegedly 'raved about them' and said to Noel during sessions that 'we should totally record these now!'. It sounds like another excuse to have a dig at Sardy (it is!), but those songs mentioned don't come close to Noel's songwriting on Dig Out Your Soul. Personally, I thought it was a major indictment on Noel's songwriting that they were all bland mid tempo plodders with not much rhythmic variation - again, that's the producers role to try and mix things up a bit, and Sardy failed to do so on Noel's first album - who knows, Amorphous Androgynous could very well have versions in the lockers that really do mix things up a lot more. least one track from DOYS was written in studio. Idk, seems like a weak shot by Gaz. Like you degrade him for "not putting the effort in" then when he's putting the effort it with David Holmes, you get pissy that it's not you receiving the credit. Come off it. Everything can't be your brilliance. I sometimes wonder who's more into their self, Gaz or Noel. Edit: The Ballad of the Mighty I story is weak too. No real reason to bring it up. Like he refers to the song as "liberated brilliance" as if he caused it to happen, even though he says it started in an earlier jam session, which I assume was without him since he doesn't give many details. Secondly, he complains that Strangeboy's part was cut, though it's not unusual for an artist to have multiple session musicians to play on a track if you're not satisfied anymore with the previous one, especially when that session musician is being replaced by Johnny Marr. If Johnny Marr, the greatest guitarist of his generation, said that he had an ace solo for my track, then bye bye Strangeboy. It comes off less as Gaz looking out for Strangeboy, and more Gaz being pissed that the solo was replaced, which negated HIS producing credit for the song, which really isn't all that underhanded. There's a lot of reasons to be sympathetic to Gaz, but the Might I story is a bridge too far, and more than a bit of a reach. I bet Gaz likes the sound of his own voice.
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Post by idleroses on Feb 20, 2017 3:55:15 GMT -5
In twenty years time Gaz will be in a pub shouting at strangers that he once nearly made an album with Noel Gallagher.
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Post by mossy on Feb 20, 2017 4:13:40 GMT -5
Gaz: "Yes he's the genius with the chords and lyrics - think that's the logic ๐ค can pay for everything else off da shelf He kept saying to me at the beginning ' all you need from me is a finished vocal right ?' kinda sums it up and all the studio struggles cos must have been a shock for the poor man
I wanted him sleeves rolled up firing off opinions working on his masterpiece having FUN indulging himself !!!! jajaja what you been smoking "
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Post by mossy on Feb 20, 2017 8:01:09 GMT -5
In twenty years time Gaz will be in a pub shouting at strangers that he once nearly made an album with Noel Gallagher. And in twenty years I'll probably be still posting his Facebook comments in this thread ;-P
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Feb 20, 2017 11:04:40 GMT -5
Gaz is a very bitter guy.
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Post by shoreline on Feb 20, 2017 11:35:39 GMT -5
What's up with all this hate/negativity against Gaz all of a sudden? Seems uncalled-for, IMO.
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