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Post by allingoodtime on Oct 3, 2014 9:33:31 GMT -5
Yes or no?
I think its a great song definitely should have been an a-side
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2014 9:39:49 GMT -5
No, in fact, in comparison to some of Noel's b-sides of old, I would say it isn't good enough even to be a b-side. Now, Alone On A Rope, THAT'S a tune that is far to good to be a iTunes only bonus track (or whatever it was)... Neither are A-side song but Alone On A Rope definitely deserved a place on HFB (in place of If I Had A Gun, ...Record Machine, Soldier Boys... or Stop the Clocks imo)
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 3, 2014 9:46:27 GMT -5
Yes or no? I think its a great song definitely should have been an a-side I was listening to this last night, I think its a really underrated tune. It would have been great on HC. Isn't it roughly from the same period? |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 3, 2014 10:24:05 GMT -5
No, in fact, in comparison to some of Noel's b-sides of old, I would say it isn't good enough even to be a b-side. Now, Alone On A Rope, THAT'S a tune that is far to good to be a iTunes only bonus track (or whatever it was)... Neither are A-side song but Alone On A Rope definitely deserved a place on HFB (in place of If I Had A Gun, ...Record Machine, Soldier Boys... or Stop the Clocks imo) In place of If I Had A Gun? Really? Hahahaha |
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Post by allingoodtime on Oct 3, 2014 10:33:52 GMT -5
I like alone on the rope a lot but I dont think it would have fit in with the rest of the album. not that stop the clocks does..
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 3, 2014 10:47:00 GMT -5
The Good Rebel's a decent tune but the lyrics aren't that great, so no.
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Post by matt on Oct 3, 2014 10:58:51 GMT -5
I think its one of the worst songs he's ever written - you can tell it was from that era in the early noughties where he was desperately struggling for inspiration. It's very dad rock and as cool as Status Quo. I'm just actually glad its out there as an obscure b-side because it means we've dodged a bullet from having it on an actual album. It's also a complete rip off from The Beatles' Rain, and its one of those tunes you bang your head against a wall to because it can defeat an argument where you argue they are more than just a Beatle tribute band. I think it represents the very worst of Noel and completely neglects everything good about him - great melody, great spirit, hints of melancholy there... none of that in this tune.
Now Alone On The Rope - that's a great tune, a really great tune. Absolutely gutted that didn't reach a greater audience - one of his best tunes he's done in years. I suppose the fact he played this one live at the Cancer Trust gig last year hints that he may have made a mistake in neglecting it. Great songwriter, piss poor judgement on his own songs though - lets just hope he's got the selection right on the new album!
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 3, 2014 12:13:20 GMT -5
I like it, it's got that effortless Noeliness about it. Just a pleasant b-side, nothing more really, even though I found a lot of the album disappointing.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 3, 2014 13:59:55 GMT -5
It's pretty bad. I don't even get how people would have liked this to be an A-side. And don't even get me started on how it should be on HFB instead of If I Had A Gun. No, just no.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2014 17:00:20 GMT -5
No, in fact, in comparison to some of Noel's b-sides of old, I would say it isn't good enough even to be a b-side. Now, Alone On A Rope, THAT'S a tune that is far to good to be a iTunes only bonus track (or whatever it was)... Neither are A-side song but Alone On A Rope definitely deserved a place on HFB (in place of If I Had A Gun, ...Record Machine, Soldier Boys... or Stop the Clocks imo) In place of If I Had A Gun? Really? Hahahaha Have you heard that tune lately? The song itself had potential at one point, no doubt, but Sardy's cack-handed production techniques served only to absolutely decimate any beauty and tenderness the song once had. The recorded version is incredibly dull... (In my opinion of course) Now, Alone On A Rope however, is remarkably the opposite, the production is quite sparce and the tune just sounds like a perfect recording. Not a plodding electric guitar line (à la Coldplay) or pointless 'oooh oooh'-ing to be heard! It's the most exquisitely lovely song Noel has ever written |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2014 17:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Oct 3, 2014 17:05:51 GMT -5
In place of If I Had A Gun? Really? Hahahaha Have you heard that tune lately? The song itself had potential at one point, no doubt, but Sardy's cack-handed production techniques served only to absolutely decimate any beauty and tenderness the song once had. The recorded version is incredibly dull... (In my opinion of course) Now, Alone On A Rope however, is remarkably the opposite, the production is quite sparce and the tune just sounds like a perfect recording. Not a plodding electric guitar line (à la Coldplay) or pointless 'oooh oooh'-ing to be heard! It's the most exquisitely lovely song Noel has ever written This X1million. I agree with every single word in this post. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2014 17:08:32 GMT -5
It's pretty bad. I don't even get how people would have liked this to be an A-side. And don't even get me started on how it should be on HFB instead of If I Had A Gun. No, just no. You do know I was saying Alone On A Rope should have been on HFB instead of If I Had A Gun, and NOT The Good Rebel, don't you? |
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Post by jbanksy on Oct 3, 2014 17:18:52 GMT -5
Have you heard that tune lately? The song itself had potential at one point, no doubt, but Sardy's cack-handed production techniques served only to absolutely decimate any beauty and tenderness the song once had. The recorded version is incredibly dull... (In my opinion of course) Now, Alone On A Rope however, is remarkably the opposite, the production is quite sparce and the tune just sounds like a perfect recording. Not a plodding electric guitar line (à la Coldplay) or pointless 'oooh oooh'-ing to be heard! It's the most exquisitely lovely song Noel has ever written This X1million. I agree with every single word in this post. Alone On A Rope is the path Noel should be taking as a starting point from going solo without a shadow of a doubt FOR ME at least. It is the best thing I have heard from him in years, effortless, atmospheric, grown up. Along the lines of Let's All Make Believe in hidden gem quality. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 3, 2014 17:31:46 GMT -5
It's pretty bad. I don't even get how people would have liked this to be an A-side. And don't even get me started on how it should be on HFB instead of If I Had A Gun. No, just no. You do know I was saying Alone On A Rope should have been on HFB instead of If I Had A Gun, and NOT The Good Rebel, don't you? Oh, I did! I must have mixed something up along the way while posting. Blame it on the wine  Still don't agree though. However, I would have chosen it over SB&JF or SOTWB. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 3, 2014 17:33:12 GMT -5
It's shit
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2014 17:35:58 GMT -5
Have you heard that tune lately? The song itself had potential at one point, no doubt, but Sardy's cack-handed production techniques served only to absolutely decimate any beauty and tenderness the song once had. The recorded version is incredibly dull... (In my opinion of course) Now, Alone On A Rope however, is remarkably the opposite, the production is quite sparce and the tune just sounds like a perfect recording. Not a plodding electric guitar line (à la Coldplay) or pointless 'oooh oooh'-ing to be heard! It's the most exquisitely lovely song Noel has ever written This X1million. I agree with every single word in this post. Cheers matt. Without trying to sound like I'm blowing my own trumpet or anything, I think the majority of us fans of Noely, who are interested in new material from him, would agree with the general points I made with regarding to Sardy. It really is a massive issue now. When you're so aware of the production on a record, it's obviously not working. He was never particularly enthralling on DBTT and DOYS, but the tunes came out largely unscathed. On HFB however, his work on the desk is so abysmal that he manages (not only on If I Had A Gun, but on others as well), to turn otherwise good tunes into shit, and make Noel sound as if he's making more tepid dad-rock anthems. Not only is Sardy downgrading the quality of Noel's music, but he's also affects his reputation. If I Had A Gun already sounds murky and dated now, just two years after it was released, what will kids in fifty years time think when they discover the HFB album for the first time, I wonder... |
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Post by Binary Sunset on Oct 4, 2014 1:30:32 GMT -5
Personally this and Mucky Fingers are my least favorite Noel written songs...
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Post by LlAM on Oct 4, 2014 2:47:21 GMT -5
Face it, it was only released cos Noel needed more up-tempo songs in his live set.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Oct 4, 2014 2:49:29 GMT -5
for me the worst song from the first album sessions..... still decent though!
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 4, 2014 6:23:32 GMT -5
I don't mind it, listen to it from time to time and it's pleasant enough. Far from being good enough for an album track though, especially since HFB lacks any real weak tracks - Soldier Boys is probably the worst and it's still pretty good in my eyes, definitely held up in the last three years.
So no, TGR is perfect as a b-side. Good thing we got it at all, good thing it's not on the album.
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 4, 2014 12:44:36 GMT -5
I like it, but I think its good as a bside. Really enjoyed it live, it has a very triumphant feeling to it - the sort of thign Noel coudl write in his sleep though.
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Post by shop92n on Oct 4, 2014 19:28:19 GMT -5
I never liked it, draining sounds like it was written in 2 minutes not reworked, reminds me of some cheap nirvana type band BUT some melody on it is ok.
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Post by Manualex on Oct 4, 2014 21:37:49 GMT -5
Should have been keept unreleased for the inevitable HC reissue bonus track treatment.
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Post by Cast on Oct 4, 2014 21:51:43 GMT -5
It is a pretty bland Noel song to be honest. A absolute rip off of "Rain" by the Beatles. You can tell its from around HC-era by the half heartedness of it. The bass line kinda reminds me of Probably On in The Mind (my least favorite Noel song) but the vibe of the recording is more akin to Thank You For The Good Times. The chorus is just Noel at his most lazy. The verse melody is decent even if it is a bit generic but the chorus just deflates the whole song.
I wouldn't say its absolutely shit but it is bland and forgettable. Probably the worst song that Noel has released in his solo career in my opinion. Alone On The Rope should have been given a proper release, one the best songs he's written in the past 14 years. I'd Pick You Every Time and Let The Lord Shine A Light On Me are solid b-sides that see Noel exploring a little bit more, which something that I'm always okay with.
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