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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 19, 2014 11:42:32 GMT -5
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Post by manic on Sept 19, 2014 12:01:03 GMT -5
I repeat, you don't have a clue what yer talking about. Shut the fuck up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 12:31:12 GMT -5
The problem with one off votes like this referendum is there is little historical data on which to weight the polling on. The polling was not the problem it was the undue importance given to them by the lazy media.
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Post by NYR on Sept 19, 2014 12:47:21 GMT -5
If you're not legally allowed to drink, gamble or go to war then you shouldn't really be allowed to vote. I don't know your opinion on this being an American but I never understood why you can't drink at 18 there? You're old enough to die in war but not allowed to have a drink at the end of the day? Seems rather odd I thought American military personnel could drink at 18...maybe they could when the drinking age was 18 in the U.S., though. I'm ok with that idea, but the 21 year drinking limit for non-military citizens seems right for me, but I'm American, so I'm used to those laws. I know other countries drinking age is 18, and from talking to forum member Rita, Portugal's drinking age is 16 but citizens can't get their drivers' license until the age of 18, which is an interesting concept... I just know don't think people as young as 16 should be voting for something as serious as independence, but I'm guessing most of those kids will be voting like how their parents are, which could be good or bad. I'm not informed enough on this particular issue to give my opinion, but like NYR, I'd probably go with a 'yes' vote, being an American and my country having won their independence, albeit in a different way. God bless. The drinking age limit in America was 18 for many years, but the laws changed from state to state. That changed in 1984 when a bill was passed that withholds revenue from states that allow the purchase of alcohol by anyone under the age of 21. And it's total bullshit. Back to the nature at hand... the referendum failed. I'm interested in seeing what will change in London now...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 12:57:07 GMT -5
I thought American military personnel could drink at 18...maybe they could when the drinking age was 18 in the U.S., though. I'm ok with that idea, but the 21 year drinking limit for non-military citizens seems right for me, but I'm American, so I'm used to those laws. I know other countries drinking age is 18, and from talking to forum member Rita, Portugal's drinking age is 16 but citizens can't get their drivers' license until the age of 18, which is an interesting concept... I just know don't think people as young as 16 should be voting for something as serious as independence, but I'm guessing most of those kids will be voting like how their parents are, which could be good or bad. I'm not informed enough on this particular issue to give my opinion, but like NYR, I'd probably go with a 'yes' vote, being an American and my country having won their independence, albeit in a different way. God bless. The drinking age limit in America was 18 for many years, but the laws changed from state to state. That changed in 1984 when a bill was passed that withholds revenue from states that allow the purchase of alcohol by anyone under the age of 21. And it's total bullshit. Back to the nature at hand... the referendum failed. I'm interested in seeing what will change in London now... Bastetds I was 19 in 84 when they did that , thankfully in staten island and in the city the limelight and other clubs , if you dressed cool and loomed the part you didn't get proofed , but that blew , On topic apparently even the queen has said major changes ate on way , we shall see should be interesting follow
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Post by manic on Sept 19, 2014 14:28:28 GMT -5
To the No voting idiots who believed the media lies about the Yes campaign intimidating people and causing trouble, I suggest you search up George Square on Twitter. This is what you voted for.
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Post by globe on Sept 19, 2014 16:18:45 GMT -5
An alcoholic waster calling somebody who has actually done something with their life and followed his convictions a bellend, fucking bonnie laddie.
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Post by manic on Sept 19, 2014 17:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Sept 19, 2014 17:51:27 GMT -5
The huns out en mass. Still bitter because their club is DEAD.
Punching wee laddies, hard men eh.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 19, 2014 18:57:08 GMT -5
I was really hoping for a 'Yes' win so I could've post a Braveheart style William Wallace blue face paint pic.
Fuck!
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Post by matt on Sept 19, 2014 19:25:28 GMT -5
I thought David Cameron's speech was pretty much what was needed to be said, but then party politics got involved.
Whatever the case, Lord Kelvin has been assigned a position to work on further devolution powers to Scotland. But I do agree on Alex Salmond's assertion that there has been a paradigm shift in British politics, and certainly isn't going to go away quietly.
If it's not satisifed, then we'll see more scenes like I've just seen in Glasgow with the violence at the minute.
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Post by globe on Sept 19, 2014 20:52:37 GMT -5
There will be fuck all new powers mate, we'll get well and truly shafted and probably have to pay for the privilege.
Rule fucking Britannia.
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Sept 20, 2014 6:44:19 GMT -5
Fucking gutted. Renton sums it up best.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 20, 2014 7:13:03 GMT -5
There will be fuck all new powers mate, we'll get well and truly shafted and probably have to pay for the privilege. Rule fucking Britannia. Pay? Don't we subsidise YOU via the Barnett formula? Alex Salmond for all his qualities put his eggs in one basket. He was betting on nationalistic feeling and that alone. You can't go into a referendum like that without having an absolutely clear and viable economic policy. How can he expect people to vote yes when he can't guarantee them a currency?
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Post by icebreath on Sept 20, 2014 7:25:33 GMT -5
I was really hoping for a 'Yes' win so I could've post a Braveheart style William Wallace blue face paint pic. Fuck!
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Post by globe on Sept 20, 2014 9:56:45 GMT -5
There will be fuck all new powers mate, we'll get well and truly shafted and probably have to pay for the privilege. Rule fucking Britannia. Pay? Don't we subsidise YOU via the Barnett formula? Alex Salmond for all his qualities put his eggs in one basket. He was betting on nationalistic feeling and that alone. You can't go into a referendum like that without having an absolutely clear and viable economic policy. How can he expect people to vote yes when he can't guarantee them a currency? Oh FFS the currency? We were going to use the pound, how hard is that to understand? Tax revenue from Scottish oil has been propping up the UK economy for the last 30 odd years, so no, you don't subsidise us, if you did then why do you think was Cameron so desperate to keep us? There is a gap between how much is spent per head in Scotland to what is raised via personal taxation, however per head of population Scotish people pay in more to the UK exchequer hence The Barnett Formula.
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Post by Bellboy on Sept 21, 2014 6:02:52 GMT -5
Fucking gutted. Renton sums it up best. AYE!
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Post by matt on Sept 21, 2014 11:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Sept 22, 2014 4:48:21 GMT -5
Here matt, I think I'll take an article from Labour's mouthpiece the Daily Ranger with a huge pinch of salt, it won't surprise you to learn I completely disagree with pretty much everything that guys say's in that article!
This is going to get interesting, English MPs quite rightly wanting English votes for English issues only, which begs the question - what exactly is the point in Westminster?
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Post by NYR on Sept 25, 2014 15:55:07 GMT -5
I think this vote shows how incredible the Scottish people are—in a world where people are dying left and right over independence (amongst other things), this matter was settled without a single bullet being fired.
The Scots—as well as the rest of the British people as a whole—should be proud of themselves for showing the world how it can (and should) be done. Democracy, FUCK YEAH!
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2014 19:23:56 GMT -5
Here matt, I think I'll take an article from Labour's mouthpiece the Daily Ranger with a huge pinch of salt, it won't surprise you to learn I completely disagree with pretty much everything that guys say's in that article! This is going to get interesting, English MPs quite rightly wanting English votes for English issues only, which begs the question - what exactly is the point in Westminster? I watched Question Time tonight and Conservative MP Rory Stewart comprehensively said devo max with welfare and tax powers (the fundamental policies to the arguments by which the Yes campaign was run on) was definitely happening. He was one of the backbench Tories who went to Chequers last week to discuss it - seems as if he overruled the Prime Minister by forcing him to accept that devolution to Scotland would happen before the West Lothian question was addressed - something which I missed out on from Cameron's speech was he said all plans across the country would take place at the same time.... which was a way to undermine instant new powers to Scotland by letting in linger longer. That said, Stewart is a rare case of a Tory MP with progressive ideas who is actually admired on the left, respected outwith the party, is pro-EU and his foreign policy knowledge is far superior to the dunces in government at the moment. I hope he was speaking on behalf of the government rather than being seen as the rogue agent many Tories think he is. Whatever the case, he put a hell of a lot more pressure on those in power.
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Post by globe on Sept 26, 2014 5:48:20 GMT -5
Here matt, I think I'll take an article from Labour's mouthpiece the Daily Ranger with a huge pinch of salt, it won't surprise you to learn I completely disagree with pretty much everything that guys say's in that article! This is going to get interesting, English MPs quite rightly wanting English votes for English issues only, which begs the question - what exactly is the point in Westminster? I watched Question Time tonight and Conservative MP Rory Stewart comprehensively said devo max with welfare and tax powers (the fundamental policies to the arguments by which the Yes campaign was run on) was definitely happening. He was one of the backbench Tories who went to Chequers last week to discuss it - seems as if he overruled the Prime Minister by forcing him to accept that devolution to Scotland would happen before the West Lothian question was addressed - something which I missed out on from Cameron's speech was he said all plans across the country would take place at the same time.... which was a way to undermine instant new powers to Scotland by letting in linger longer. That said, Stewart is a rare case of a Tory MP with progressive ideas who is actually admired on the left, respected outwith the party, is pro-EU and his foreign policy knowledge is far superior to the dunces in government at the moment. I hope he was speaking on behalf of the government rather than being seen as the rogue agent many Tories think he is. Whatever the case, he put a hell of a lot more pressure on those in power. Honestly, I'm doubtful any of this further powers thing will happen Matt. People in England will quite rightly be thinking "wait a minute, what about us?". The Tories are shit scared of UKIP and will do anything to stop people defecting to them, Labour will do or say anything to woo middle England. All of this will have to be voted through Westminster and I just can't see any of this getting voted through. It was simply a bribe to get people to vote No.
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Post by globe on Sept 30, 2014 16:09:07 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Sept 30, 2014 18:43:48 GMT -5
But the Tories are saying the opposite 'unconditionally, without doubt' powers will be delivered.... what are Labour up to?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 13:33:27 GMT -5
But the Tories are saying the opposite 'unconditionally, without doubt' powers will be delivered.... what are Labour up to? The leaders of the parties had no right making these promises, they have to be voted on in parliament and this close to the next election i think that all the parties should have to put their plans in their manifesto's. On the one hand everyone wants to praise the show of democracy in the Scottish independence vote ad now they think politicians last minute BS without consulting their constituents should stand.
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