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Post by Manualex on May 17, 2014 14:09:29 GMT -5
It's now been a NINE-MINUTE DROUGHT since Arsenal won a trophy… time for Wenger to go?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 17, 2014 15:01:45 GMT -5
As a side note, because this does need to be mentioned: Sangogo's work rate is incredible. I can't seem to judge his skill level just yet, but what he may lack in technical ability, he more than makes up for it in effort.
From every single bit of involvement I've seen from the lad, I've enjoyed. I don't know if he'll become a good player, or a significant player in the years to come, but what I do know is that right now he has the perfect attitude. Felt so gutted he was unable to score again, but he is ALWAYS in the mix, causing trouble, and creating chances.
Really should have used him more throughout the season.
And I'm very pleased for Wenger. This match was quickly becomming a 2011 Carling Cup Final calamity, but the boys dug in deep, and found a good performance in the end.
It was an utterly diabolical first 20minutes, but once we emerged for the second half (especially), you knew we were going to win - unless it came down to the lottery penalty system, and it nearly did!!
Credit to Hull. They played the game how it's supposed to be played. Brucie whinging at a few decisions though was a bit much though, especially since the referee missed a hattrick of Arsenal penalty appeals!
Let's push on from this. At the end of every season, I always say: If Wenger signs the right 2 or 3 players, we'll be in serious contention next year. And every season I stand by that statement. And every season I say it again because it holds true because of his failure to act on it during the off-season. So I hope I'm saying this for the last fucking time:
DON'T FUCK AROUND IN THE SUMMER TRANSFER WINDOW, BUY PLAYERS, PUSH ON, WIN TROPHIES.
IN WENGER WE TRUST.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 15:11:03 GMT -5
Delighted for Wenger, quite emotional to see how much it meant for him. He won it for Arsenal - his substitutions were timed to perfection and such expert game management from him. He looked absolutely drained and delighted, it really took it out of him! A man of great dignity unlike the repulsive Mourinho, Wenger has had the last laugh. The good will always prevail. 19th in net spend of all teams in the league is by no means the framework for success, so this trophy will be all the sweeter for them and Wenger's best FA Cup success. I'm sure these next few years will see Wenger getting ready for his successor so it's great to see him get his trophy at long last. Well done. P.S. Oh, and Mourinho. Two teams in two years costing just under a billion pounds and no trophy. Arsenal 19th in net spend and win the FA Cup. Which one is 'specialist in failure' again? Get ready for the internet barrage of abuse Jose. arsenal are low down on net spend because some of their best players had to leave to win trophy's. It is strange that you count this failure as a success.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 17, 2014 15:12:05 GMT -5
I also want to stress the importance of that header off the line from Gibbs. That happened within the first 15 minutes, 2-0 down. IF that crept under the bar, or if Gibbs simply wasn't there, I think we would have lost the match. 3-0 starts getting insurmountable (not if you're playing Liverpool, though!).
He may have missed an absolute sitter, but his goal line clearing header arguably won us the game.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 15:15:24 GMT -5
I also want to stress the importance of that header off the line from Gibbs. That happened within the first 15 minutes, 2-0 down. IF that kept under the bar, or if Gibbs simply wasn't there, I think we would have lost the match. 3-0 starts getting insurmountable (not if you're playing Liverpool, though!). He may have missed an absolute sitter, but his goal line header arguably won us the game. agreed, it is always good to see defenders stay on the line so many get attracted to the ball and forget to do their job.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 17, 2014 16:31:10 GMT -5
Arsene Wenger got his magic pie
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 17, 2014 16:33:59 GMT -5
The clouds around Wenger's soul didn't gather there for nothing, the FA Cup has chased them all away.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 17, 2014 16:35:50 GMT -5
To Wenger it doesn't matter that Hull's hopes and dreams were shattered. He made me believe.... Ok. I'll stop now.
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Post by matt on May 17, 2014 17:56:52 GMT -5
Delighted for Wenger, quite emotional to see how much it meant for him. He won it for Arsenal - his substitutions were timed to perfection and such expert game management from him. He looked absolutely drained and delighted, it really took it out of him! A man of great dignity unlike the repulsive Mourinho, Wenger has had the last laugh. The good will always prevail. 19th in net spend of all teams in the league is by no means the framework for success, so this trophy will be all the sweeter for them and Wenger's best FA Cup success. I'm sure these next few years will see Wenger getting ready for his successor so it's great to see him get his trophy at long last. Well done. P.S. Oh, and Mourinho. Two teams in two years costing just under a billion pounds and no trophy. Arsenal 19th in net spend and win the FA Cup. Which one is 'specialist in failure' again? Get ready for the internet barrage of abuse Jose. arsenal are low down on net spend because some of their best players had to leave to win trophy's. It is strange that you count this failure as a success. I could see your point if Arsenal had a great team at one time and sold all their best players but that never occurred. Over the course of a season, one player would emerge as a top top player, always standing out and would leave - it was never a whole cluster of players. Van Persie only came to shine later on in his Arsenal career for example. Such is the nature of footballers, they are greedy so left. Strange how you consider Wenger's success as a failure yet Mourinho's success as genius... with hundreds of millions of pounds through his career. Every single success of Wenger's in England far outweights Mourinho's ever done. And, considering the web reaction to Wenger winning today is one of laughter towards Mourinho, I think we all know who is the more respected manager when you rationalise everything.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 17, 2014 19:24:16 GMT -5
And now Manchester City will bring in Bacary Sagna.
That is all.
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Post by matt on May 17, 2014 22:14:34 GMT -5
And now Manchester City will bring in Bacary Sagna. That is all. They needn't bother - he was awful today and has been for most of the season. He saunters around the pitch and is so sluggish. If he goes to City, he will be back up for sure, nothing more. He's not title challenge material that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 4:20:44 GMT -5
arsenal are low down on net spend because some of their best players had to leave to win trophy's. It is strange that you count this failure as a success. I could see your point if Arsenal had a great team at one time and sold all their best players but that never occurred. Over the course of a season, one player would emerge as a top top player, always standing out and would leave - it was never a whole cluster of players. Van Persie only came to shine later on in his Arsenal career for example. Such is the nature of footballers, they are greedy so left. Strange how you consider Wenger's success as a failure yet Mourinho's success as genius... with hundreds of millions of pounds through his career. Every single success of Wenger's in England far outweights Mourinho's ever done. And, considering the web reaction to Wenger winning today is one of laughter towards Mourinho, I think we all know who is the more respected manager when you rationalise everything. I was only countering your point, i am in no way saying that winning the fa cup is not a success it clearly is and whilst as a united fan i would have loved united legend steve bruce to have won i am happy for wenger that he has been successful after such a long wait. However i still think Arsenal have stagnated over recent years and at some point you have to take a risk and gamble on a new manager. As for Mourinho he has been appointed manager of these big rich clubs on the back of massive success at porto and then has been to a greater or lesser degree a success at every club he has been at. He is not some talentless nobody who has been given all the cash. I also like him as he is a personality whilst many may be disliked him if you have too many nice people like wenger the soap opera that is football becomes less interesting and even disliking people is part of the entertainment.
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Post by matt on May 18, 2014 11:15:22 GMT -5
I could see your point if Arsenal had a great team at one time and sold all their best players but that never occurred. Over the course of a season, one player would emerge as a top top player, always standing out and would leave - it was never a whole cluster of players. Van Persie only came to shine later on in his Arsenal career for example. Such is the nature of footballers, they are greedy so left. Strange how you consider Wenger's success as a failure yet Mourinho's success as genius... with hundreds of millions of pounds through his career. Every single success of Wenger's in England far outweights Mourinho's ever done. And, considering the web reaction to Wenger winning today is one of laughter towards Mourinho, I think we all know who is the more respected manager when you rationalise everything. I was only countering your point, i am in no way saying that winning the fa cup is not a success it clearly is and whilst as a united fan i would have loved united legend steve bruce to have won i am happy for wenger that he has been successful after such a long wait. However i still think Arsenal have stagnated over recent years and at some point you have to take a risk and gamble on a new manager. As for Mourinho he has been appointed manager of these big rich clubs on the back of massive success at porto and then has been to a greater or lesser degree a success at every club he has been at. He is not some talentless nobody who has been given all the cash. I also like him as he is a personality whilst many may be disliked him if you have too many nice people like wenger the soap opera that is football becomes less interesting and even disliking people is part of the entertainment. Personally thought football was far more interesting when it was Wenger v Ferguson personally. The likes of Jurgen Klopp are entertaining, Van Gaal is entertaining, heck even Tim Sherwood. Mourinho isn't entertainment - he's like going to a panto. It's cheap, entertainment blown up and cringe worthy and the lowest common denominator of 'entertainment'. I just thank god that people who admire him is in the minority. Compared to Wenger, who has loyalty, integrity, a vision and legacy to English football and Arsenal even if he never wins another trophy, Mourinho is an opportunist mercenary who jumps at the club with most money, has little respect for anyone (even his own team) and is at a club where the enduring legacy is the owner, not the manager. Taking it in this context, if winning was everything, almost everyone would be a loser and we would love all bankers, politicians.... and Mourinho. Hence the delight from neutrals that Wenger rubbed salt into the wounds of Mourinho's disrespectful comments from earlier this season, because they realise his contribution to English football is greater than Mourinho's pittance. Mourinho represents the worst of football, and strikes a chord with all we hate in this world.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 12:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 13:27:36 GMT -5
So Wenger wins his first trophy in 9 years and now suddenly he's more respected than Mourinho?
I'm sorry but I have to disagree, and I'm not even a fan of the Special One (not anymore, anyway). If Wenger hadn't won then it would have been a completely different story. Beady Eyed Pigeon's reaction at 2-0 says it all.
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Post by jaq515 on May 18, 2014 14:33:38 GMT -5
So Wenger wins his first trophy in 9 years and now suddenly he's more respected than Mourinho? I'm sorry but I have to disagree, and I'm not even a fan of the Special One (not anymore, anyway). If Wenger hadn't won then it would have been a completely different story. Beady Eyed Pigeon's reaction at 2-0 says it all. Exactly is ridiculous either stick by your team thick or thin or don't. You're either 'in wenger we trust' or not. Shouldn't change you belief on the strength or one game even if is a trophy
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 16:56:07 GMT -5
So Wenger wins his first trophy in 9 years and now suddenly he's more respected than Mourinho? I'm sorry but I have to disagree, and I'm not even a fan of the Special One (not anymore, anyway). If Wenger hadn't won then it would have been a completely different story. Beady Eyed Pigeon's reaction at 2-0 says it all. Exactly is ridiculous either stick by your team thick or thin or don't. You're either 'in wenger we trust' or not. Shouldn't change you belief on the strength or one game even if is a trophy On the strength of a scrappy extra time win against a Hull side who just invited pressure onto themselves after going 2-0, I was expecting much more from Arsenal really. £220 odd million in 9 years with just one trophy to show for.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 17:02:20 GMT -5
Oh and just a reminder:
Up The Rovers!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 17:04:50 GMT -5
Oh and this as well:
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 19, 2014 14:30:17 GMT -5
And now Manchester City will bring in Bacary Sagna. That is all. They needn't bother - he was awful today and has been for most of the season. He saunters around the pitch and is so sluggish. If he goes to City, he will be back up for sure, nothing more. He's not title challenge material that's for sure. Wha? I love Sagna. Thought he did well in the Final, to be fair. He is getting a bit on though, and he can't cross the fucking ball (something Clichy could never, and still fucking can't do. Gibbs can actually pick a pass). We need our fullbacks to be able to deliver a cross, Sagana's balls (excuse the phrasing) always hits the first defender, and rebounds for either a corner or a throw-in, it's frustrating as fuck. But he has been a good servant to the club. I want to see Jenkinson succeed, I really do, but I'm not at all convinced by him yet (and his awkward lumbering movement reminds me of Oleg Luzhny - remember him!? - Not saying that that's bad (or good). Just an observation). If Sagna leaves, we need to buy a first choice RB, Oleg...I mean Jenkinson...is a decent backup, though.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 19, 2014 14:38:11 GMT -5
Oh and just a reminder: Up The Rovers! Gervinho was woeful. Glad we flogged him off, the useless twat. And a Diaby performance? - Save this video! Such a rare participant will be worth buckets of gold, a real collector's item! And the pie eating Santos! The Brazilian left back who would put even the supposed-Roberto Carlos to shame! It's unbelievable that a crap Blackburn team beat such world class stars!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 16:10:42 GMT -5
Oh and just a reminder: Up The Rovers! Gervinho was woeful. Glad we flogged him off, the useless twat. And a Diaby performance? - Save this video! Such a rare participant will be worth buckets of gold, a real collector's item! And the pie eating Santos! The Brazilian left back who would put even the supposed-Roberto Carlos to shame! It's unbelievable that a crap Blackburn team beat such world class stars! *amazing Blackburn team
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