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Post by Bruno on Jul 30, 2013 10:13:46 GMT -5
Wow people on here don't really have a balanced view.Bowie, Weller, The Stones, The Kinks and The Who all have a stronger back catalogue than Noel in my opinion. Highlighted the important bit for you mate. Personally id take Noels complete back catalogue above all of those. Its all about opinions i guess, there is no right or wrong, which sort of makes discussing it kinda pointless, but wheres the fun in that, eh? And as for songwriting ability i personally would have Alex Turner in my top ten, no doubt about it. I'm sorry but Alex Turner is in your top ten! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258801/images/7QKGdm487eYnX65W8w0g.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 10:13:58 GMT -5
No major arguments with list at all ... But think page plant / should be higher than queen .. But that's just me i k ow how much more popular queen are in UK than here . But I do have a issue with waters / Gilmour. At least Lennon / macca collaborated with bits and phrases on each others tunes sometimes, but waters / gilmoure ? .. I remember a direct interview with waters after he left floyd talking a out final cut he said it really was a solo lp , and as for the wall he said he presented the band with 3 " operas " they voted and chose what would be the wall ....then roger said " smart boys " was a radio interview with the late great scot muni on wnew ny .. .. Don't think they should be a team like Lennon/ macca. Page / plant IMO Waters was the main lyricist ofcourse but Gilmour contributed a lot to the music. All early albums, Dark side, Wish You Were Here and to some extent Animals were all team efforts. After that they went their separate ways. Though their last combined effort Comfortably Numb is also a masterpiece. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) So as much as Waters contributed lyrically, his genius would have been incomplete without Gilmour's contribution. No question ,I just never considered them a team , nor did roger and David in interviews ...no big deal jmo Edit : they went there seperate ways after the final cut. In 82 or 83 I believe forget the year
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Post by Bruno on Jul 30, 2013 10:17:09 GMT -5
Waters was the main lyricist ofcourse but Gilmour contributed a lot to the music. All early albums, Dark side, Wish You Were Here and to some extent Animals were all team efforts. After that they went their separate ways. Though their last combined effort Comfortably Numb is also a masterpiece. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) So as much as Waters contributed lyrically, his genius would have been incomplete without Gilmour's contribution. No question ,I just never considered them a team , nor did roger and David in interviews ...no big deal jmo Watch the recent Dark Side and Wish You Were Here official making documentaries. He clearly in no uncertain words says both albums were team efforts. He wrote all the lyrics sure but it was most definitely a team effort. He most graciously acknowledges Gilmour's contribution.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 10:18:58 GMT -5
No question ,I just never considered them a team , nor did roger and David in interviews ...no big deal jmo Watch the recent Dark Side and Wish You Were Here official making documentaries. He clearly in no uncertain words says both albums were team efforts. He wrote all the lyrics sure but it was most definitely a team effort. He most graciously acknowledges Gilmour's contribution. Bruno just do giving my opinion that's all ... He says that now ,as he gets older and actually has wanted a reunion , gilmoure has not wanted a reunion, he never said it in interviews I heard earlier , as I said , no big deal , by earlier i mean 80 s and early 90 s ,not recent And whatever was said is cool , I still don't consider them a team like macca / Lennon or the rest
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jul 30, 2013 10:25:15 GMT -5
Highlighted the important bit for you mate. Personally id take Noels complete back catalogue above all of those. Its all about opinions i guess, there is no right or wrong, which sort of makes discussing it kinda pointless, but wheres the fun in that, eh? And as for songwriting ability i personally would have Alex Turner in my top ten, no doubt about it. I'm sorry but Alex Turner is in your top ten! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258801/images/7QKGdm487eYnX65W8w0g.gif) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I assume you find that funny then? No problem id most likely find your top ten hilarious also, there is no right and wrong only personal opinions. Alex Turner is a lyrical genius FYI, ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/1258801/images/A9bL_RjIN9bOhnrQxKjN.gif)
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Post by Bruno on Jul 30, 2013 10:32:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry but Alex Turner is in your top ten! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258801/images/7QKGdm487eYnX65W8w0g.gif) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I assume you find that funny then? No problem id most likely find your top ten hilarious also, there is no right and wrong only personal opinions. Alex Turner is a lyrical genius FYI, ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/1258801/images/A9bL_RjIN9bOhnrQxKjN.gif) I never said you're opinion was wrong or anything.
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Post by Bruno on Jul 30, 2013 10:37:58 GMT -5
Watch the recent Dark Side and Wish You Were Here official making documentaries. He clearly in no uncertain words says both albums were team efforts. He wrote all the lyrics sure but it was most definitely a team effort. He most graciously acknowledges Gilmour's contribution. Bruno just do giving my opinion that's all ... He says that now ,as he gets older and actually has wanted a reunion , gilmoure has not wanted a reunion, he never said it in interviews I heard earlier , as I said , no big deal , by earlier i mean 80 s and early 90 s ,not recent And whatever was said is cool , I still don't consider them a team like macca / Lennon or the rest When did waters say that? On the contrary he's said on numerous occasions that he's not interested in a reunion. I actually collect Floyd bootlegs and I've got tons of recent Waters interviews where he's said he's not interested in a reunion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 10:41:45 GMT -5
On broadcast after Hyde park he was interviews and said he would love to work with Dave , Dave did not seem so enthused , it was on fuse or PALLADIA I forget which , but it was after that mini set , me personally I don't care not interested to see them now anyways , just stating what I saw on TV ,
Edit : waters has double talked allot so it's no surprise you would hear alternate things , I will say this whatever vj reported said the look on Dave's face told the story ...not interested ,, maybe why roger talk differently ? I really don't know tbh
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Post by Bruno on Jul 30, 2013 11:05:20 GMT -5
On broadcast after Hyde park he was interviews and said he would love to work with Dave , Dave did not seem so enthused , it was on fuse or PALLADIA I forget which , but it was after that mini set , me personally I don't care not interested to see them now anyways , just stating what I saw on TV , Edit : waters has double talked allot so it's no surprise you would hear alternate things , I will say this whatever vj reported said the look on Dave's face told the story ...not interested ,, maybe why roger talk differently ? I really don't know tbh The quote you're referring to was way back in 2005 when the reunion happened so it's natural he should say this. Since then he has said that it was a one time thing if there are more then great but he's glad they did it at least once. After Richard Wright passed away he dropped it completely and said he's happy they did it once with the full band but now he's content with his solo tours and that has been his stance since 2007. I agree with you Waters/Gilmour aren't a conventional writing team like Lennon/McCartney or Jagger/Richards and this is just my opinion but a person who is a good songwriter should strike a balance between the lyrics and music. Waters is an amazing lyricist but lacks somewhere in the music department which is clearly evident from The Final Cut and all of his solo albums. Gilmour on the other hand writes music very nicely but can't write a decent lyric to save his life that's why he's had help from Townsend, Jon Carin, Phil Manzanera and that immensely talented wife of his Polly Samson on post-Waters Floyd albums and his own solo stuff. But together they crafted one classic album after another and when Waters began to take over there was a clear emphasis on lyrics rather than music which began with The Wall. So my simple point is together they were complete but separately they both lacking in one out of the two departments.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 11:17:47 GMT -5
On broadcast after Hyde park he was interviews and said he would love to work with Dave , Dave did not seem so enthused , it was on fuse or PALLADIA I forget which , but it was after that mini set , me personally I don't care not interested to see them now anyways , just stating what I saw on TV , Edit : waters has double talked allot so it's no surprise you would hear alternate things , I will say this whatever vj reported said the look on Dave's face told the story ...not interested ,, maybe why roger talk differently ? I really don't know tbh The quote you're referring to was way back in 2005 when the reunion happened so it's natural he should say this. Since then he has said that it was a one time thing if there are more then great but he's glad they did it at least once. After Richard Wright passed away he dropped it completely and said he's happy they did it once with the full band but now he's content with his solo tours and that has been his stance since 2007. I agree with you Waters/Gilmour aren't a conventional writing team like Lennon/McCartney or Jagger/Richards and this is just my opinion but a person who is a good songwriter should strike a balance between the lyrics and music. Waters is an amazing lyricist but lacks somewhere in the music department which is clearly evident from The Final Cut and all of his solo albums. Gilmour on the other hand writes music very nicely but can't write a decent lyric to save his life that's why he's had help from Townsend, Jon Carin, Phil Manzanera and that immensely talented wife of his Polly Samson on post-Waters Floyd albums and his own solo stuff. But together they crafted one classic album after another and when Waters began to take over there was a clear emphasis on lyrics rather than music which began with The Wall. So my simple point is together they were complete but separately they both lacking in one out of the two departments. Ok .. As i I said at start no major argument with list .... You got your view I got mine . Sounds good to me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 11:19:46 GMT -5
Bruno 2005 wow told you time for me is irrelevant , lol seems like yesterday , lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 11:23:54 GMT -5
And I agree with you to a point Bruno I just think like you said above they were unconventional as a " team " that's my view but as for there tunes there aint many bigger floyd fans than me
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Post by Bruno on Jul 30, 2013 11:24:20 GMT -5
Bruno 2005 wow told you time for me is irrelevant , lol seems like yesterday , lol I remember when I first got into Floyd, I had accepted that the band was over and one evening my dad told me to sit in front of the TV and he put in the Live8 DVD and the minute they started the first song, it really blew my mind. Haha I still remember how happy I was to see those four geezers playing together. Yeah seriously, as they(oasis) say Time Flies! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by 4everlife on Jul 30, 2013 12:00:34 GMT -5
Only just noticed that actually, I don't think there's anyway that Cobain should be in that top 10, if he is then Glen Matlock from the pistols would also be in it......... where the hell is Robbie Robertson, Jim Morrison, Arthur Lee, Jagger/Richards, Townsend/ Daltry (all far superior to Cobain) - but like I said earlier it's all just personal opinion, hey ho! Daltrey is a next to none songwriter, actually. Great singer, but he wrote maybe 5 songs for the Who. Townshend deserves to be on the list, as do Jagger/Richards. I'm not much of a Neil Young fan (has some great stuff, just not nearly as much as the others). I also don't think Joni, Radiohead and The Boss deserve to be top 15, and I'm not sure about Queen and Page/Plant (amazing musicians, but their main strength was not songwriting.) My 15 would be something like: 1. John Lennon and Paul Mccartney 2. Bob Dylan 3. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards 4. Ray Davies 5. Pete Townshend 6. Brian Wilson 7. George Gershwin and Ira Gershwin 8. Burt Bacharach and Hal David 9. Paul Simon 10.Noel Gallagher 11.Kurt Cobain 12.Morrissey and Johnny Marr 13.David Bowie ( while his image is his main strength, he still wrote a lot of amazing songs) 14 Stevie Wonder 15. Elton John and Bernie Taupin Runner-up: Roger Waters and David Gilmour ( I'm not a big pink floyd fan anymore, but I actually really respect and recognize these guys songwriting abilities even if I don't always agree with their musical ambitions)
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 30, 2013 12:07:31 GMT -5
Above Brian Wilson and Paul Simon?
Fucking laughable. Noel has no place on that list. Neither does Cobain.
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jul 30, 2013 12:21:48 GMT -5
Above Brian Wilson and Paul Simon? Fucking laughable. Noel has no place on that list. Neither does Cobain. Fucking laughable you obviously think Radiohead do deserve to be there, you do realise this is supposed to be an oasis fan forum? Don't radiohead have a forum?
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 30, 2013 12:30:14 GMT -5
Above Brian Wilson and Paul Simon? Fucking laughable. Noel has no place on that list. Neither does Cobain. Fucking laughable you obviously think Radiohead do deserve to be there, you do realise this is supposed to be an oasis fan forum? Don't radiohead have a forum? I didn't even see them on the list. They don't belong there. Queen doesn't either.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2013 13:12:49 GMT -5
I also must put forward Leonard Cohen who I think is one of the greatest poets / Lyriscists of all time - his singing shouldn't take away from that fact either. I agree. Talk about underrated. I don't agree with Cobain being there so high because I think it's for modern romanticism of a young life cut short as much as it is about the songs for him. He is still iconic for a generation because of how he flamed out. It's like people give him credit for everything that he could have done in his life if he hadn't killed himself. I like Nirvana but I think he is overrated by my generation. I'm more impressed at Noel's inclusion because he still plugging away and his catalogue stand on it's own well enough that he is included without the sheen of tragic and romantic nostalgia. Or at least no more nostalgia than the rest of the people on this list...probably less in most cases. People still remember Noel's less inspired moments vividly...some of it wasn't that long ago. Most of the other benefit from time smoothing over their less impressive efforts while their best stuff develops the sheen of being "classic" My major quibble would be Bowie being below Noel though. Radiohead...I don't listen to them at all but I accept they can write a great tune...I just can't STAND Thom York's voice so I have difficult time evaluating them. I really can't in a visceral way. I decided once that I should really give Radiohead a try and bought some "best of". I put it onto my iPhone and then a while later was playing music on shuffle while I slept...Fake Plastic Trees came on and I actually WOKE UP because I hated the sound of it THAT much. lol ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 13:21:41 GMT -5
WirralRiddler doesn't like Radiohead everyone. In case you missed it.
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Post by manic on Jul 30, 2013 14:35:20 GMT -5
Some people complaining about Cobain's position on that list? The mind boggles. However Queen shouldn't be that high on the list, I would swap them out for Bowie.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jul 30, 2013 15:27:43 GMT -5
Missing Tom Petty IMO
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Post by Ash & Debris on Jul 30, 2013 15:50:15 GMT -5
gdforever Tried listening to Ok Computer and In Rainbows? Those are their two most accessible albums IMO. I used to not get the hype about Radiohead few years ago, then I really made an effort to give Ok computer a fair try, it didn't click on first listen, nor on second listen. But it did eventually click (started with the songs let down and climbing up the walls, then I grew to love each and every song on the album). And since then Ive become a huge fan to the point of collecting their obscure b sides and bootlegs like how I do with oasis. Thorn Yorke's voice, much like Liam's is very much an acquired taste, if you can get over the initial hurdles then the payoff is huge, some of those extremely falsetto/high notes he hits like in Reckoner, sail to the moon, etc are some of the most beautiful and chilling moments music has given me to date. As for Pink Floyd, I think it's fairly common knowledge that lyrics = Roger Waters. Music = Gilmour (that famous Pink Floyd trademark guitar sound and playing) and Wright (piano/keys and creating those trademark atmospheric moods). And of course Nick Mason's drumming which isn't anything spectacular but fits PF perfectly. PF is one of those true bands where the collective sum is much bigger than its parts.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 30, 2013 16:06:09 GMT -5
I don't like Radiohead too much,I love some of their tunes and The Bends,quite like OK Computer,not a fan of the Kid A/Amnesiac thing,probably too sophisticated for me,I admit it
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Post by Sternumman on Jul 30, 2013 18:34:52 GMT -5
Some people complaining about Cobain's position on that list? The mind boggles. Its because his catalog is so small. He has three albums worth of material and Bleach isnt a very good album. Him dying so young elevated him to Legend status who knows what another 20 yrs of writing songs would have done for his legacy?
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 30, 2013 18:50:28 GMT -5
It's just another list, next week it will be forget.
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