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Aug 3, 2021 1:32:02 GMT -5
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Post by funhouse on Aug 3, 2021 1:32:02 GMT -5
Going out on a limb here by saying that while it was sympathetic, it was completely wrong. It's a competition, and you keep going until one wins gold, and the other wins silver. What if England-Italy in the Euros ended with both teams saying no thanks to the penalties, deciding to share the gold instead? It devalues the entire concept of competing. I don't blame the athletes, but there should be no loopholes in the rules for this to ever be able to happen. Except Olympics are not the Euro, or the World Cup. It's something else, it's a celebration of the Humanity as a whole, based on respect and sports. + atheltics is not football, it's a totally different sports, athletes don't fight against each other, they fight next to each other because it is a very demanding sport(s). Few make money off of it and that changes everything. I love both football and atheltics, but to me, this made a lot of sense. I wouldn't imagine the same in football though, football needs a winner and a loser. But two gold medalist in high jump ? That's ok too... But we still have gold-, silver- and bronze medals given to places 1-3. It may be different to other sports, but you still give your all to win, so I don't think the achievement of winning should be devalued by handing out two gold medals.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 3, 2021 3:11:40 GMT -5
I get what you're saying but a couple of things. One is that sport is about rules, and this option to not have a jump-off was right there in the rulebook. Not often used, but it's there, so it wasn't an exception made. Just a choice that is allowed in the Olympics high jump. The other is that sport is absolutely about competition, and these guys were both pushed to their best by that competition, but it's also about great moments of sportsmanship and this surely is one. I don't think it devalues much for the future. Very few people will ever be in the position of these two men and high jumpers will continue to compete even hoping to be in that position. If it starts happening all the time, maybe the rule needs to be changed. But in a moment in of stark global division and anger, that two men from disparate countries agreed they were equally worthy of the gold looked like a win for for the world. Well I'm simply disagreeing with those rules. And you can have great moments of sportsmanship without (imo)changing the fundamentals of competetive sport. If one had won gold and the other silver, that would have still been two friends on the same podium, after an incredible competition. And I get that this scenario is unlikely to happen again, but I just don't like that it can happen at all. I find it interesting that today there was a shared medal in the gymnastics because two competitors had an equal score, and no one cared at all. (You can say it's a different type of sport but a run-off is possible in any individual sport -- it's just that in gymnastics it's accepted that you don't have one.) In high jump, the way i understand it is that the primary way you break a tie is using count backs. These two were still tied after all count backs and at that point they have a choice to have a jump-off or not. Why it developed that way, I have no idea. It's a bit unusual, but no one "changed the fundamentals." Those were the fundamentals already in place for this sport. Of course, you can disagree with the rules of any sport (I'd change a whole bunch of them if I could!). It's only the competitors who can't. Anyway, I found it a joyful moment in what's been a somewhat sombre and strange Olympics. I love a fierce competition as much as anybody, but it's OK if every once in a blue moon two people share the happiness of victory. (But maybe they will change the rule for next time -- I guess it is up to the IOC and Track and Field orgs.)
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Aug 3, 2021 6:28:34 GMT -5
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Post by funhouse on Aug 3, 2021 6:28:34 GMT -5
Well I'm simply disagreeing with those rules. And you can have great moments of sportsmanship without (imo)changing the fundamentals of competetive sport. If one had won gold and the other silver, that would have still been two friends on the same podium, after an incredible competition. And I get that this scenario is unlikely to happen again, but I just don't like that it can happen at all. I find it interesting that today there was a shared medal in the gymnastics because two competitors had an equal score, and no one cared at all. (You can say it's a different type of sport but a run-off is possible in any individual sport -- it's just that in gymnastics it's accepted that you don't have one.) In high jump, the way i understand it is that the primary way you break a tie is using count backs. These two were still tied after all count backs and at that point they have a choice to have a jump-off or not. Why it developed that way, I have no idea. It's a bit unusual, but no one "changed the fundamentals." Those were the fundamentals already in place for this sport. Of course, you can disagree with the rules of any sport (I'd change a whole bunch of them if I could!). It's only the competitors who can't. Anyway, I found it a joyful moment in what's been a somewhat sombre and strange Olympics. I love a fierce competition as much as anybody, but it's OK if every once in a blue moon two people share the happiness of victory. (But maybe they will change the rule for next time -- I guess it is up to the IOC and Track and Field orgs.) Different kinds of sports have different rules for ties. I don't know how you would do in gymnastics, maybe there's a good way to decide it, maybe there's not. And if not, then I won't whine about it. In high jump there is a very simple way to decide though. You don't have to add some aspect that isn't part of the "normal" sport or game, like hockey extra time being played 3 against 3 which is something that only happens during extra time. High jumpers on the other hand, all they have to do is keep jumping in the same way they do their jumping, until someone wins. I would say those who wrote the rules "changed the fundamentals" by writing that. To me it sounds like a very old-timey kind of rule that was just forgotten, because it was so rarely used. Anyway, I'm not saying the athletes did anything wrong, they followed actual rules, I'm only criticizing the rules themselves. I do like all that. Currently watching pole vault where the competetitors are usually very supportive of each other, which is really nice. I want that(well, not always to be fair, assholes are also needed in sports), but I also want there to be three medals of different worths handed out afterwards, at the very least in sports where ties are easily decided.
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Aug 7, 2021 4:47:57 GMT -5
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Post by Elie De Beaufour on Aug 7, 2021 4:47:57 GMT -5
What are the rules for the pentathlon regarding horses, surely kicking and crazily whipping the beast are not in the rulebook 😠
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