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Post by putthisin ® on Jan 14, 2012 19:53:46 GMT -5
We all have those thoughts we cant say for 7 more years.... Cmon, she's a child. It's not like she's 15. She's 11!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 14, 2012 20:31:41 GMT -5
Noel since circa 2006 has really matured and grown up, to be fair. Not the time period I was thinking of... Of course. But it's not like he's acting out of his mind now. No matter how Noel lived in the 90s, I think it's fair to say that he is probably a great parent and role model for his children now. Surely that's all that matters?
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Post by gdforever on Jan 14, 2012 21:07:00 GMT -5
Not the time period I was thinking of... Of course. But it's not like he's acting out of his mind now. No matter how Noel lived in the 90s, I think it's fair to say that he is probably a great parent and role model for his children now. Surely that's all that matters? ...I don't think that I was insinuating that Noel wouldn't be a good parent. Someone said that Noel and Liam dealt with success and fame well so she would be fine. I said that emulating the behavior of Noel and Liam in their youth and their lifestyles would hardly be the dream of any parent for their daughter. They were fine...but it could have ended badly just as easily. I'm sure their mother worried before they straighten out as well It's not like Liam and Noel were people that kept a cool, even, and sober head in the face of success. I give you BHN
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Post by nataliemckinney on Jan 14, 2012 22:16:44 GMT -5
I wonder what Noel thinks of all this? Wonder if he's in favor or against.
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Post by lastfanstanding on Jan 15, 2012 3:15:26 GMT -5
Read somewhere Noel is the one who pulled some strings for her to do this.
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Post by bluemagpie on Jan 15, 2012 4:08:51 GMT -5
I really detest Show Moms. So many kids have been messed up by attention-hungry parents.
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Jan 15, 2012 6:52:21 GMT -5
Read somewhere Noel is the one who pulled some strings for her to do this. Weird. I read somewhere that Noel wasn't sure if it's good for her, but that it was her mother's idea. Don't remember the source though...
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Post by gdforever on Jan 15, 2012 9:51:21 GMT -5
End of last year he was asked in an interview. He said that he couldn't really do anything about it because her mom had primary custody.
I don't think he is a fan. I wouldn't believe claims that Noel was pulling strings to get her to become a model.
Frankly Meg is more likely to have the connections to get her opportunities than Noel. Noel only has a name...but I doubt he knows anyone in fashion. Meg is still friends with Kate Moss, etc.
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Post by dion on Jan 15, 2012 10:06:18 GMT -5
Yet it didn't go horribly wrong, neither are dead or ruined drug addicts which is pretty remarkable given their lifestyle. Point being that the lifestyles of the Gallagher's aren't generally what they average parent would hope their children would emulate. Even if Anais was no worse a drug user than Noel and Liam...I still think it would be sad that she slipped into that lifestyle. Compare how Noel and Liam handled being famous to others, you've catastrophically missed the point I was making. Neither have struggled with the attention they received for being famous, in fact they seemed perfectly at home with the attention. If you're going to grow up in the public eye it's handy to have parents who fame didn't change, what's the thing Noel said? "We weren't famous people who started taking drugs, we were people taking drugs who became famous" You're acting like Noel and Liam weren't drug taking louts before they got money and fame.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 15, 2012 11:58:28 GMT -5
It's Noel with a fanny and long hair tbh. Same eyes, same look, nose, mouth. It's so weird and i feel so old right now.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 15, 2012 12:38:19 GMT -5
Point being that the lifestyles of the Gallagher's aren't generally what they average parent would hope their children would emulate. Even if Anais was no worse a drug user than Noel and Liam...I still think it would be sad that she slipped into that lifestyle. Compare how Noel and Liam handled being famous to others, you've catastrophically missed the point I was making. Neither have struggled with the attention they received for being famous, in fact they seemed perfectly at home with the attention. If you're going to grow up in the public eye it's handy to have parents who fame didn't change, what's the thing Noel said? "We weren't famous people who started taking drugs, we were people taking drugs who became famous" You're acting like Noel and Liam weren't drug taking louts before they got money and fame. Wasn't just the drugs. You don't think they got a little more wild and reckless around BHN? That success didn't make them a bit tricky? All I mean is that Noel and Liam are hardly the poster boys for handling success well. Just because they had already taken drugs before doesn't mean that they could do whatever the fuck they wanted and it wasn't stepping it up a notch. I refused to believe their drug taking didn't increase from 1994-1997
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 15, 2012 12:42:31 GMT -5
Compare how Noel and Liam handled being famous to others, you've catastrophically missed the point I was making. Neither have struggled with the attention they received for being famous, in fact they seemed perfectly at home with the attention. If you're going to grow up in the public eye it's handy to have parents who fame didn't change, what's the thing Noel said? "We weren't famous people who started taking drugs, we were people taking drugs who became famous" You're acting like Noel and Liam weren't drug taking louts before they got money and fame. Wasn't just the drugs. You don't think they got a little more wild and reckless around BHN? That success didn't make them a bit tricky? All I mean is that Noel and Liam are hardly the poster boys for handling success well. Just because they had already taken drugs before doesn't mean that they could do whatever the fuck they wanted and it wasn't stepping it up a notch. I refused to believe their drug taking didn't increase from 1994-1997 i guess it was fine till 1998. everyone was tired of oasis even all the band-members. cocaine must be a hell of a drug when everybody loves you. but when the day comes on which everyone things oasis weren't that great all comes back and cocaine isn't that funny anymore. the higher you climb the deeper you fall. simple as that. noel and liam weren't in rehab, thats true. but bonehead and guigsy left and i think cocaine was part of the decision. noel quit cocaine himself, yeah, but if you listen to the lyrics of gas panic! you see how painful the fall of 1998 must had been
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Post by dion on Jan 15, 2012 12:51:46 GMT -5
Compare how Noel and Liam handled being famous to others, you've catastrophically missed the point I was making. Neither have struggled with the attention they received for being famous, in fact they seemed perfectly at home with the attention. If you're going to grow up in the public eye it's handy to have parents who fame didn't change, what's the thing Noel said? "We weren't famous people who started taking drugs, we were people taking drugs who became famous" You're acting like Noel and Liam weren't drug taking louts before they got money and fame. Wasn't just the drugs. You don't think they got a little more wild and reckless around BHN? That success didn't make them a bit tricky? All I mean is that Noel and Liam are hardly the poster boys for handling success well. Just because they had already taken drugs before doesn't mean that they could do whatever the fuck they wanted and it wasn't stepping it up a notch. I refused to believe their drug taking didn't increase from 1994-1997 Of course they were more wild and reckless around Be Here Now, they had more money, more money = more drugs. Do you seriously think they wouldn't have done exactly the same thing in 1990 if they had the money? They were doing whatever they wanted before they were famous, they just never had the means to take it as far as they wanted. Both have grown up to be responsible parents(ish), happily married(ish), infact aside from perhaps Liam's voice, what part of being famous has taken a hammering? It might have looked like they were going off the rails at the time, but can you honestly say it changed them as people?
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 15, 2012 13:09:23 GMT -5
you don't know if they changed as people. neither of us knows them. but there's no doubt that they have changed because using cocaine over that peroid of time isn't good for anyone. using cocaine or heroin is worse. it's not a joint or a couple of beer. and if you do it for so long your character changes
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Post by gdforever on Jan 15, 2012 13:14:17 GMT -5
What are you even talking about?
I am just saying that having Noel and Liam in her family doesn't say to me "she'd never expose herself to the shadier element of the modeling profession."
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Post by therover on Jan 15, 2012 15:10:44 GMT -5
gdforever; why must you get into an argument on every thread you post on?
It's so tiresome and it all comes from you being overly aggressive and having the need to always have the last word.
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Post by putthisin ® on Jan 15, 2012 16:42:22 GMT -5
gdforever; why must you get into an argument on every thread you post on? Hehe I was thinking the same. But I don't care, it's all good fun
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Post by spaneli on Jan 15, 2012 23:54:52 GMT -5
I would agree with GD. Anyone who thinks Noel and Liam are the best examples of people handling fame need to get off whatever drugs they're on. They've come out really well on the other side, but that's completely seperate from the how they were during the period of their lives when they first became famous. Yeah, not being able to consistently do gigs and telling someone you hope they die of AIDS. I sure hope Noel's daughter follows in those footsteps.
And I love that someone actually said "yeah it didn't go horribly wrong they're not dead..." That's the grand reasoning on how Noel and Liam handled fame and fortune? They're not dead? I mean, it's great that they're still alive giving us music, but that can't be sole criteria of whether they handled their fame and fortune. In that case Ozzy Osbourne really handled his fame and fortune really well.
DId the Gallaghers handle fame and fortune well? On a 1-10 scale I'd give them a 6 or 7. But to say that they were great at dealing with their excesses in my opnion is completely rewriting history.
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Post by dion on Jan 16, 2012 13:06:04 GMT -5
What are you even talking about? I am just saying that having Noel and Liam in her family doesn't say to me "she'd never expose herself to the shadier element of the modeling profession." That's not what I said either, so why did you feel the need to chirp up? So you mean being wild in your mid 20's but mellowing considerably despite still having all the money you could ever want is handling it badly? Once again, you seem to be suggesting that they wouldn't have struggled to turn up to work once in a while or same something incredibly stupid if they weren't famous. I love that nobody said it was the sole criteria I never said they dealt with their excess we'll, if anything they embraced it while it was fun then stopped. The past is littered with mega-famous musicians who got mega famous and went off the rails, the fact some poorly educated Mancunians managed to get so rich and famous so quickly and still ended up normal (well as normal as Liam was ever going to be) says quite a lot about their mentality. If Anais has that resilience then she'll be alright.
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Post by caro on Jan 17, 2012 10:41:07 GMT -5
Noel got asked about this in an interview and he does not like it. He said he doesnt have custody so he has no control on it, that his ex is "crazy" and that "things are happening too fast for Anais".
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 17, 2012 12:16:14 GMT -5
I agree with Dion for the most part. They were drugs addicts before they became famous. The money only compounded the problem. Therefore, the Gallagher's situation differs from the normal stereotypical famous person where the celebrity loses control only once she becomes famous (see Lindsay Lohan).
Did they handle the excess money well? I don't think you can say that they did because it only compounded their drug habit. But did their becoming famous result in their drug habit? No.
I don't know Liam's current situation, but Noel has been "clean" since the year 2000. If I'm not mistaken, he's still been famous for the last 12 years, and he has handled it very well. Again, Noel should be seen more as a role model if anything - A child born into impoverish conditions, with an abusive and alcoholic father who he left when he was a teenager to a council home with just his mother and brothers, was actually able to make something of his life on his entire own doing. He embraced the lifestyle of sex, drugs, and rock n roll, as a young adult, and matured into a very respectable man.....
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 17, 2012 12:31:11 GMT -5
is there any source about liam quitting drugs? i've only read about noel
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Post by mezmerised on Jan 17, 2012 12:33:36 GMT -5
Do you have a link to that interview, caro? I already suspected that's his opinion but all I've read him say about it so far was 'no comment'. Probably not a bad strategy because everything he says about it will only bring more attention and publicity.
I wonder why Noel doesn't have at least shared custody. Is it normal in the UK that the mother gets sole custody? I mean, no matter how crazy things were in the 90s, by the time they divorced Noel already seemed to lead a more stable life whereas Meg kept on partying until she went into rehab a couple of years ago. And speaking of how differently people are handling fame, Meg always came across like someone who wasn't particulary good at adjusting to being famous and especially to her subsequent loss of fame after the divorce. I always found it weird how she kind of used her daughter to drum up interest for her interviews/home stories (plus the fact that she still gets introduced as "Noel Gallagher's ex-wife" everywhere... which self-respecting person would be cool with that more than 10 years after a rather ugly divorce?). And now she can add being a stage mom to the list of bizarre things she does to stay in the limelight.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 17, 2012 13:03:17 GMT -5
We all hope that Anais will grown up reasonably well adjusted.
I personally don't think that just because Noel and Liam used drugs before they were famous and span out means that Anais is somehow better fortified than the average 11 year old to handle the expectation and risks of the modeling world.
I just hope she learns from her parents mistakes. And when it comes time to shape up she possesses her father fortitude more than her mothers
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Post by gdforever on Jan 17, 2012 13:10:22 GMT -5
Do you have a link to that interview, caro? I already suspected that's his opinion but all I've read him say about it so far was 'no comment'. Probably not a bad strategy because everything he says about it will only bring more attention and publicity. I wonder why Noel doesn't have at least shared custody. Is it normal in the UK that the mother gets sole custody? I mean, no matter how crazy things were in the 90s, by the time they divorced Noel already seemed to lead a more stable life whereas Meg kept on partying until she went into rehab a couple of years ago. And speaking of how differently people are handling fame, Meg always came across like someone who wasn't particulary good at adjusting to being famous and especially to her subsequent loss of fame after the divorce. I always found it weird how she kind of used her daughter to drum up interest for her interviews/home stories (plus the fact that she still gets introduced as "Noel Gallagher's ex-wife" everywhere... which self-respecting person would be cool with that more than 10 years after a rather ugly divorce?). And now she can add being a stage mom to the list of bizarre things she does to stay in the limelight. Didn't Noel admit to full culpability in the breakdown of the marriage so that it could just be over with quickly? Who knows what else he agreed to in an effort to just get it over with. I remember reading something about the grounds being infidelity on Noel's part but that Noel denied cheating as soon as the divorce was over. Plus I would assume that Noel at that age wouldn't have had a clue how to take over care of a 1 year old girl. Leaving her with her mother probably seemed a good idea. I am surprised if he doesn't have joint custody so he'd have to agree to her signing stuff like the modeling contract. You'd thought he'd have at least gotten that. At least everything is age appropriate so far. Hope Meg continues to be decerning.
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