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Post by hellobeatle on Dec 11, 2011 9:19:59 GMT -5
Hi
I don't think I've ever started a thread here in all my years as a member but I had to after last night's show.
That was one of the WORST gigs (if not THE worst) I've ever been to. My only conclusion is that the band got pissed in NYC the night before and were hungover for this show. They looked like zombies up there - except for the bassist who seemed legit into it. Liam did interact with the crowd and actually exited the arena during Sons/Stage through the crowd but it didn't really make up for the overall lethargy of the performance. They also skipped World Outside My Room during the encore - the chant before the encore was almost non-existent.
As for the venue, I have never seen HOB so empty for a gig before. Plus the crowd was so dull. I can't help but think this affected the performance.
Has this been the norm for the US tour?
Just as an aside, I've seen Oasis 5 times (including the Toronto VFest debacle) and saw Noel a couple weeks ago (AMAZING SHOW) just to give a point of reference for my comments. As for the HOB, I saw Slash, Bob Dylan and Manu Chao there in the last year or so and the venue was packed and great crowds. I should also add that I really enjoy and regularly listen to BDI's album and B-sides, plus Andy's Mixes.
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Post by idledreamer on Dec 11, 2011 10:10:59 GMT -5
hellobeatle, thanks for contributing .... i'll have to admit, i was pretty disappointed in the crowd, the silence before the encore was downright embarrassing.... i mean, it sounded like the gig was already over .... i was wondering if they would even come out and do the encore, it was that bad!!! liam made the sarcastic comment about how 'you lot are a top crowd' or something like that.... then he sat on the stage until right before the 1st verse on sons of the stage... but i do have to take issue a bit with your comment regarding their performance. i think overall, it wasn't bad... granted, four letter word wasn't that good at all but many songs sounded great,, liam started to lose his voice during kill for a dream, but he soldiered on and really tried to deliver, i thought. a lot of interaction with the crowd during the gig, and as you mentioned at the end he came down and shook hands with everyone... but i DID notice that gem was off in his own world.... wouldn't even look at the crowd the entire time... what the f*ck is wrong with him ?? i felt bad for liam last night, he has the heart of a lion and when he comes out to the stage and the 2nd and 3rd levels are totally EMPTY.... i imagine he felt gutted but i applaud him for giving the beady eye fans who were there his best--- and fighting thru the problems with his voice to finish up strong even if the CROWD wasn't up for it.... i mean, there's nothing the band can do about a dead crowd like that. THANK YOU LIAM V guess we can cross boston off the list for the next bdi tour.
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Post by bwilder on Dec 11, 2011 16:13:36 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher is the last rock n roll star. I was there last night and the crowd was pretty subdued. Compared to the Noel concert, which I also went to, it was embarrassing. The only reason I can think of for the discrepancy is lack of Oasis tunes. That's what people wanna hear, IMO.
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Post by NYR on Dec 11, 2011 16:49:35 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher is the last rock n roll star. yeah, until the next one shows up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2011 16:51:41 GMT -5
Upfront the crowd was great, I don't know where you lot were. My friend and I had a great time and i thought it was a fantastic show. Unless Andy and Gem were bouncing off the walls for their earlier gigs, they acted exactly the same as they did when I saw Oasis, and were certainly better than Noel's backing band. I thought it was about the same as Noel's gig a month prior, the only time the crowd really got up for Noel's gig was during the Oasis tunes, most were sitting around and texting during HFB material!
My biggest problem is the venue. The show should of been at the Paradise, but because it was sponsored by the dumbasses at WFNX it was at the shithole that is the House of Blues. Someone needs to shut down WFNX and the corporate shithole that is the House of Blues. I'm so afraid that when Kasabian bring the thunder next March the crowd will be shit.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 11, 2011 16:55:22 GMT -5
....and Beady Eye will end the calendar year with a whimper after back to back disappointing shows in New York and Boston. I hope they cook up something fantastic for album #2. The life of the band depends on it I think.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 11, 2011 17:52:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure what shows you folks were at but the NYC and Boston shows were two of the best gigs I've ever seen from the Oasis camp (17 shows in).
Liam was in a great mood in NY and the crowd was really into it. The entire band seemed to be having fun last night. Gem and Andy shared more than a few smiles, Jeff was really into it and Liam was definitely enjoying himself. I seem to recall him saying "You're a good crowd, I like you, you're making me laugh."
With regards to the performances, I thought the band was incredibly tight and thought Liam's voice evened quite a bit during the second verse of "For Anyone".
I brought someone who'd never heard them to the NY show and he walked away grinning ear to ear. I went with 5 friends last night, two of whom had seen a number of gigs, and everyone was agreed that they put on an incredible set.
I can't imagine why a band with no hit singles in the U.S. and $50 tickets would have trouble filling up a 2,500 person venue. This is after Noel's $90 tickets a month ago.
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Post by idledreamer on Dec 11, 2011 18:18:15 GMT -5
Upfront the crowd was great, I don't know where you lot were. up front. but i don't know if you turned around and looked at all during the gig, but most of the crowd any further back than 4-5 rows back were standing there like they were half-dead. i agree, this gig should have been at the paradise. NO ONE in the 2nd or 3rd levels.... again, overall a pretty decent performance from the band.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 11, 2011 18:28:15 GMT -5
Upfront the crowd was great, I don't know where you lot were. up front. but i don't know if you turned around and looked at all during the gig, but most of the crowd any further back than 4-5 rows back were standing there like they were half-dead. Most of the shows I go to are like this. I think people see quick camera cuts of Oasis stadium shows and assume that 40k people are pogoing all the time for the duration of every song.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2011 18:59:31 GMT -5
I agree, most shows generally have the first few rows going mental and the rest are more subdued for most of the set.
Also, I'm not entirely sure how they sold the tickets for this show. The second and third rows were empty, but the stadium seating looked quite full. That's one of my major problems with the House of Blues, they try to fit in way too many people. I imagine they stopped sales for the balconies because the stadium seating costed more money. Easy way to get people to spend more money, I wouldn't it past them.
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Post by hellobeatle on Dec 11, 2011 19:41:25 GMT -5
I still stand fully behind my original "review/comment/rambling" in the 1st post but after reflection I will add that the band sounded tight.
Also, per someone's comments regarding how Andy and Gem always just stand there, all the times I've seen Oasis they never just stood there like they did last night. I don't even think they looked up, smiled or anything - they actually looked miserable, which is why I thought they were hungover. I think they also thought the turn out was pathetic - the 2nd & 3rd completely empty, plus if you were up front you didn't notice that the GA section was only like 15 rows deep for the first 1/2 of the show.
This leads me to my biggest complaint: the show started way too early. It was over at around 9:30. Many people, including myself, missed a few songs. Also, if they came on around 9 or later, like most of the other gigs, the crowd would've been drunker and more people would've been in the venue. A big reason many people didn't cheer for an encore is because they couldn't believe it was over. The size of the crowd doubled 3/4s of they way through the gig.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 11, 2011 19:49:49 GMT -5
I still stand fully behind my original "review/comment/rambling" in the 1st post but after reflection I will add that the band sounded tight. Also, per someone's comments regarding how Andy and Gem always just stand there, all the times I've seen Oasis they never just stood there like they did last night. I don't even think they looked up, smiled or anything - they actually looked miserable, which is why I thought they were hungover. I think they also thought the turn out was pathetic - the 2nd & 3rd completely empty, plus if you were up front you didn't notice that the GA section was only like 15 rows deep for the first 1/2 of the show. This leads me to my biggest complaint: the show started way too early. It was over at around 9:30. Many people, including myself, missed a few songs. Also, if they came on around 9 or later, like most of the other gigs, the crowd would've been drunker and more people would've been in the venue. A big reason many people didn't cheer for an encore is because they couldn't believe it was over. The size of the crowd doubled 3/4s of they way through the gig. I'll agree that the show started way too early. Apparently that's normal at HOB. My friend saw BRMC there and said the show was over before 10 (I've seen them go to about 1 AM at the 930 Club). TBH, I think Andy and Gem were totally consistent with every other show I've seen them in and there were definitely more than a few moments of fun being had up there. I just don't know what most fans or the band were expecting. They did little to no radio/tv promo, it's 10 months after the record was released and the tickets were expensive. It's no wonder the venue wasn't full. I'm still kind of in shock about how expensive Noel's tickets were.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2011 20:12:23 GMT -5
Again, this is the fault of the House of Blues and WFNX. It is, by far, the worst music venue in Boston.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 11, 2011 21:29:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure what shows you folks were at but the NYC and Boston shows were two of the best gigs I've ever seen from the Oasis camp (17 shows in). Liam was in a great mood in NY and the crowd was really into it. The entire band seemed to be having fun last night. Gem and Andy shared more than a few smiles, Jeff was really into it and Liam was definitely enjoying himself. I seem to recall him saying "You're a good crowd, I like you, you're making me laugh." With regards to the performances, I thought the band was incredibly tight and thought Liam's voice evened quite a bit during the second verse of "For Anyone". I brought someone who'd never heard them to the NY show and he walked away grinning ear to ear. I went with 5 friends last night, two of whom had seen a number of gigs, and everyone was agreed that they put on an incredible set. I can't imagine why a band with no hit singles in the U.S. and $50 tickets would have trouble filling up a 2,500 person venue. This is after Noel's $90 tickets a month ago. Two of the best gigs you've seen out of the Oasis camp? If so that is kinda sad. I've been to many of the Oasis gigs you have listed below and I'd rank them all above Beady Eye at Terminal 5. I can't speak for the Boston show (I wasn't there). I just read some reviews that mirrored what I saw/heard at Terminal 5 and have listened to friends opinions who attended the gig. Some of the Oasis gigs you have listed were absolutely blinding and I would never rank Beady Eye anywhere near them (Radio City shows, MSG1, MSG2, Camden to name but a few). Liam really impressed me with his improved vocals performances this past summer in America. I caught the Letterman gig and Webster Hall. He sounded as fresh as his 2000-2002 voice. I did not feel the same on Friday night unfortunately and many people around me felt the same. Even some booing which I found surprising. I'm gonna write it off as end of the tour fatigue.
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Post by idledreamer on Dec 12, 2011 1:38:18 GMT -5
Again, this is the fault of the House of Blues and WFNX. It is, by far, the worst music venue in Boston. yes, but i don't think this even became a 'wfnx show' until around early/mid-november? ... i bought my tickets back when they first went on sale and there was no mention of wfnx sponsorship then--- either on ticketmaster OR on my tickets. besides, i do believe that wfnx is the only station around here that is playing either beady eye OR noel's solo stuff right now.
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Post by idledreamer on Dec 12, 2011 1:44:59 GMT -5
from the boston globe review: ^funny, 'two of a kind' has always been a highlight for me in the setlist, i love that tune and it's a real belter live.... see, i HATE when reviewers do this, as if they somehow know what YOU want to hear?? and a 'stash' of tunes, i don't know if the reviewer is referring to oasis songs, but when it comes to the bdi catalogue , all but one album track was performed that night, and only a couple of b-sides were left out and a beatles cover. they played most of their stuff.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 12, 2011 7:50:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure what shows you folks were at but the NYC and Boston shows were two of the best gigs I've ever seen from the Oasis camp (17 shows in). Liam was in a great mood in NY and the crowd was really into it. The entire band seemed to be having fun last night. Gem and Andy shared more than a few smiles, Jeff was really into it and Liam was definitely enjoying himself. I seem to recall him saying "You're a good crowd, I like you, you're making me laugh." With regards to the performances, I thought the band was incredibly tight and thought Liam's voice evened quite a bit during the second verse of "For Anyone". I brought someone who'd never heard them to the NY show and he walked away grinning ear to ear. I went with 5 friends last night, two of whom had seen a number of gigs, and everyone was agreed that they put on an incredible set. I can't imagine why a band with no hit singles in the U.S. and $50 tickets would have trouble filling up a 2,500 person venue. This is after Noel's $90 tickets a month ago. Two of the best gigs you've seen out of the Oasis camp? If so that is kinda sad. I've been to many of the Oasis gigs you have listed below and I'd rank them all above Beady Eye at Terminal 5. I can't speak for the Boston show (I wasn't there). I just read some reviews that mirrored what I saw/heard at Terminal 5 and have listened to friends opinions who attended the gig. Some of the Oasis gigs you have listed were absolutely blinding and I would never rank Beady Eye anywhere near them (Radio City shows, MSG1, MSG2, Camden to name but a few). Liam really impressed me with his improved vocals performances this past summer in America. I caught the Letterman gig and Webster Hall. He sounded as fresh as his 2000-2002 voice. I did not feel the same on Friday night unfortunately and many people around me felt the same. Even some booing which I found surprising. I'm gonna write it off as end of the tour fatigue. That is kind of sad? If we've seen many of the same shows and I rate these two shows so highly that's called a difference of opinion; it's not sad. After hearing Supersonic, Wonderwall, Cigarettes and Alcohol and Live Forever at just about every gig, I was ready for a change. The Webster Hall gig was decent but the setlist didn't flow too well that night and the band wasn't super tight. Regardless, these songs suit Liam's voice much better (at this point in his career), it's still a fresh setlist and no one seemed to be going through the motions, especially considering it was the end of a long tour. The only two shows I'd definitely rate above these are the Tour of Brotherly Love shows I saw at RCMH. Those were elevated by Liam's vocals and Steve's incredible drumming. In any case, it's worth noting that the Boston Globe review (which is supposed to be impartial) was quite positive about both the songs and the performance. They also made no mention of crowd size or the band looking hungover. Instead, they just paid attention to the performance. When you make outlandish statements like "the life of the band depends on it" you're not doing yourself any favors. From the looks of it, this "hungover" Boston show got them very good press in a pretty big daily. If anything I'd say that's good for the "life of the band". Plenty of bands play to less than full venues every night and they don't implode; they just work harder. Next time they'll promote the shows better, drop ticket prices or choose a smaller venue (or all of the above). Beady Eye isn't going to call it quits because they played to 1400 people and not 2300 people on a cold night in Boston. Album #1 was good and they played a long tour without relying on their past music at all. They took a big chance with a lot to lose and I respect them that much more for it. Bring on album #2 I say!
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Post by idledreamer on Dec 12, 2011 8:26:30 GMT -5
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Post by craigthomas on Dec 12, 2011 9:23:52 GMT -5
I was at the NYC show, and I have to say, the band sounded really, really good, but Liam did not. To be frank, KFAD and TBGO and Millionaire were all abysmal. His voice clearly needs a rest. And he seemed a bit out of it. The fans were not as enthusiastic as they were last time around. Smaller crowd, with some good action up front. My concern is that they are losing momentum with this last stop of the tour, with crowds getting smaller and less enthused. Forward momentum is a very important thing for a band--it is very hard to reverse the notion that your audience is declining, For every band that made a comeback from this there are 100 that just dribbled away. If they had quit in the summer, they would have had strong momentum going to the second album. Strong first album, decent album sales, good tour with good crowds and great energy. Now it feels like they are going into the second album on their heels a bit.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 12, 2011 12:45:53 GMT -5
I was at the NYC show, and I have to say, the band sounded really, really good, but Liam did not. To be frank, KFAD and TBGO and Millionaire were all abysmal. His voice clearly needs a rest. And he seemed a bit out of it. The fans were not as enthusiastic as they were last time around. Smaller crowd, with some good action up front. My concern is that they are losing momentum with this last stop of the tour, with crowds getting smaller and less enthused. Forward momentum is a very important thing for a band--it is very hard to reverse the notion that your audience is declining, For every band that made a comeback from this there are 100 that just dribbled away. If they had quit in the summer, they would have had strong momentum going to the second album. Strong first album, decent album sales, good tour with good crowds and great energy. Now it feels like they are going into the second album on their heels a bit. Good points all. Definitely agree.
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Post by nataliemckinney on Dec 12, 2011 12:51:47 GMT -5
My hope is that a second album will pick up the momentum a bit. That and if they take a bit of a break. The show I saw in Philly back in June had a lot more excitement from the crowd than DC and NY, and apparently Boston (didn't go to the Boston show, just commenting on what I read above).
I'd guess a number of factors are involved. There may have been a bit of partying after the NYC show - Liam loves that city. Also, his voice was straining a bit at the NY show - he was drinking steaming hot tea and talking to the sound guys, and they cut a song out of the encore. Don't get me wrong, I still think he sounded great, but he looked like he was struggling a bit.
I thought Gem and Andy were pretty on it the two nights I saw them. Both were smiling and making eye contact with the crowd. Gem laughed quite a few times.
Overall, for their last show of the tour in Boston, I would have hoped that the reviews would be spectacular, so they could go out of their last tour with a bang - leaving the fans full of energy and excitement.
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Post by sophiezzz on Dec 12, 2011 14:18:50 GMT -5
I was in the front row right in front of Liam and I def went mental. Didn't look back but I'm pretty sure Liam wasn't disappointed by the crowd, at least not us in the front. He even picked up my scarf, isn't that enough interaction with the crowd? Besides I saw Jeff talking with Andy and Gem and they def enjoyed playing. And Jeff laughed a lot on stage. So I wouldn't say the boston show's worst ever, even though the venue wasn't full but we who were there in the front all rocked.
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Post by opsopcopolis on Dec 12, 2011 16:26:54 GMT -5
I think you guys are being a little too rough audience wise. I've been to my fair share of shows at the HOB and the only one I've ever seen sell out was Robert Plant this past January. It is not uncommon for them to not open up the balconies. Its a pity they're so strict there though, because its definitely the best sounding venue of its size in Boston.
Now, other than the Noel show in November and this, I have not seen any shows from the Oasis-camp, so clearly I dont' have the experience in this specific section of shows, but where I was the crowd seemed fairly good. No, it wasn't full, but the floor was comfortably full by about halfway through the show, and everybody around me/in front of me seemed to be having a good time. Just because everybody isn't going batshit crazy doesn't mean they're not enjoying themselves.
Performance wise I thought it was pretty good. Not the greatest (I definitely thought the High Flying Birds show had much better flow and was better performed in general) but it was still a good time! Other than a few clear vocal issues, I don't really have anything bad to say about the music itself. Everybody onstage seemed to me to be having a good time. Quite a few laughs and smiles exchanged throughout. Definitely a fun last minute show for me (I bought my ticket at the door).
Also, I said this in the other thread, but I met Liam probably 5 or 10 minutes after the show ended in front of the 7/11 in Kenmore Square. Almost ran right into him and he was nice enough stop and say hello
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 12, 2011 17:25:44 GMT -5
Two of the best gigs you've seen out of the Oasis camp? If so that is kinda sad. I've been to many of the Oasis gigs you have listed below and I'd rank them all above Beady Eye at Terminal 5. I can't speak for the Boston show (I wasn't there). I just read some reviews that mirrored what I saw/heard at Terminal 5 and have listened to friends opinions who attended the gig. Some of the Oasis gigs you have listed were absolutely blinding and I would never rank Beady Eye anywhere near them (Radio City shows, MSG1, MSG2, Camden to name but a few). Liam really impressed me with his improved vocals performances this past summer in America. I caught the Letterman gig and Webster Hall. He sounded as fresh as his 2000-2002 voice. I did not feel the same on Friday night unfortunately and many people around me felt the same. Even some booing which I found surprising. I'm gonna write it off as end of the tour fatigue. That is kind of sad? If we've seen many of the same shows and I rate these two shows so highly that's called a difference of opinion; it's not sad. After hearing Supersonic, Wonderwall, Cigarettes and Alcohol and Live Forever at just about every gig, I was ready for a change. The Webster Hall gig was decent but the setlist didn't flow too well that night and the band wasn't super tight. Regardless, these songs suit Liam's voice much better (at this point in his career), it's still a fresh setlist and no one seemed to be going through the motions, especially considering it was the end of a long tour. The only two shows I'd definitely rate above these are the Tour of Brotherly Love shows I saw at RCMH. Those were elevated by Liam's vocals and Steve's incredible drumming. In any case, it's worth noting that the Boston Globe review (which is supposed to be impartial) was quite positive about both the songs and the performance. They also made no mention of crowd size or the band looking hungover. Instead, they just paid attention to the performance. When you make outlandish statements like "the life of the band depends on it" you're not doing yourself any favors. From the looks of it, this "hungover" Boston show got them very good press in a pretty big daily. If anything I'd say that's good for the "life of the band". Plenty of bands play to less than full venues every night and they don't implode; they just work harder. Next time they'll promote the shows better, drop ticket prices or choose a smaller venue (or all of the above). Beady Eye isn't going to call it quits because they played to 1400 people and not 2300 people on a cold night in Boston. Album #1 was good and they played a long tour without relying on their past music at all. They took a big chance with a lot to lose and I respect them that much more for it. Bring on album #2 I say! Fair enough. Everyone can have their own opinions. That is what makes forums so much fun. I should have said I am surprised you listed the Terminal 5 show so high compared to some of the awesome Oasis gigs you have attended. For me personally I can't rate this show very high compared to any Oasis show I've seen because Liam's voice was falling apart mid show and that is a turnoff unfortunately. Musically they sounded fantastic. Liam's voice was another matter. I wish it wasn't the case. I have to disagree with your Webster Hall opinion. The setlist was exactly the same minus one song and Liam's voice was at it's strongest on the entire tour. The crowd was extremely lively that night compared to an almost dead Terminal 5 crowd outside the first 2-3 general admission rows.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 12, 2011 18:28:34 GMT -5
Well, the setlist was different on two songs and the running order was slightly different. I felt like it flowed a bit better. I heard Liam's voice suffering in a few spots but overall it sounded very strong to me. He was having a lot of monitor issues early on and his vocal was too high in the FOH mix. It seemed to even out on the second verse of "For Anyone" on both nights, which was a bit odd to me. Ah well, to each his own! Either way, I'd hardly call it the death of Beady Eye. Liam and Co. soldiered on through a lot worse with Oasis (both in show quality, attendance and "malaise" at the end of a tour). I wouldn't be too concerned!
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