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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 11:43:47 GMT -5
My God its a bit worrying that all of you have nothing negative to say about these protests, and just seem to enjoy taking shots at NL4E and his beliefs. I do not agree with everything that he has to say, nor am I a Fox News junkie, but I do believe that these people could put their efforts into something a bit more constructive. These protests and riots most times always lead to nowhere fast, although they have the right to do it if they so choose. Let our policemen focus on stopping crime instead of wasting their time on this. If these people want to make a difference, and get things changed, do it at the ballot box. Oh wait...They already did that, and look where that got us... For those of you who think it is easy for me to just say "Go get a job" when there are no jobs available, I stand by what I say. There are jobs out there. I live in an area with 12% + unemployment, and found myself in the same predicament...Looking for work, There were jobs out there for the taking, but instead I chose to start my own business. Granted I had some money in the bank that helped with my venture. (this could be a whole other topic regarding Americans and their saving/spending habits) My wife was able to find work fairly easily, and she is not even from this country (But here legally of course) It comes down to swallowing your pride, and maybe taking a job for less money than you may have been making at your last job you were laid off from. That was my predicament. There are too many lazy asses who sit on their bums and collect unemployment just waiting for that dream job to come available. I know this from first hand experience from people I know, or people that have stopped into my business looking for work. Had a guy stop in looking for a sales job. He said he was a super salesman, and would be worth every penny. He wanted $50,000 per year, (guaranteed for a year), a cell phone, and a company car, and not a penny less. I wanted to punch him in the face, and tell him go fuck yourself. He knew that I was a brand new business, and didn't have a bunch of cash to throw around. Ok rant over So you say the ballot box didn't work either then. Don't criticise the protestors if you can't think of a more viable way to change things. Is there a job for every unemployed person of working age in your country? Every country has its share of free loaders but current conditions suggest something other than just that. This 'everyone can go and get a job if you look for one' has little basis in reality for a lot of places right now. You found a job and good work for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2011 11:47:58 GMT -5
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2011 11:59:03 GMT -5
My God its a bit worrying that all of you have nothing negative to say about these protests, and just seem to enjoy taking shots at NL4E and his beliefs. I do not agree with everything that he has to say, nor am I a Fox News junkie, but I do believe that these people could put their efforts into something a bit more constructive. These protests and riots most times always lead to nowhere fast, although they have the right to do it if they so choose. Let our policemen focus on stopping crime instead of wasting their time on this. If these people want to make a difference, and get things changed, do it at the ballot box. Oh wait...They already did that, and look where that got us... For those of you who think it is easy for me to just say "Go get a job" when there are no jobs available, I stand by what I say. There are jobs out there. I live in an area with 12% + unemployment, and found myself in the same predicament...Looking for work, There were jobs out there for the taking, but instead I chose to start my own business. Granted I had some money in the bank that helped with my venture. (this could be a whole other topic regarding Americans and their saving/spending habits) My wife was able to find work fairly easily, and she is not even from this country (But here legally of course) It comes down to swallowing your pride, and maybe taking a job for less money than you may have been making at your last job you were laid off from. That was my predicament. There are too many lazy asses who sit on their bums and collect unemployment just waiting for that dream job to come available. I know this from first hand experience from people I know, or people that have stopped into my business looking for work. Had a guy stop in looking for a sales job. He said he was a super salesman, and would be worth every penny. He wanted $50,000 per year, (guaranteed for a year), a cell phone, and a company car, and not a penny less. I wanted to punch him in the face, and tell him go fuck yourself. He knew that I was a brand new business, and didn't have a bunch of cash to throw around. Ok rant over It's mostly because he isn't talking about the protest as a protest that has anything to say. He is dismissing them outright. I find it difficult to discuss something with someone that refuses to even admit that there is a problem. I believe that the lobbiests for big business are a major reason for the economic collapses Do I totally believe in the way that the Occupy people are going about it? Not really. But at least they are trying to make people think about it. Which is kind of the purpose of a protest in the first place. You were obviously in a fortunate place in your life. Young enough to start over...old enough that you had put something aside. Not everyone was at your place in life even if they had been doing everything right. People that are too old to start again from stratch...people that are too young to have already paid back their school bills and begun putting aside for a nest egg. The bit of the protest that I identify with is the people that are standing up and saying that their government needs to factor in the little people as well as the big business. That they shouldn't be relaxing restrictions willy-nilly for big business allowing them to cause crisis' such as this. After the 30's apparently the government instituted many regulations to prevent collapses to the extent that they were just getting over. It wasn't just Democrats or Republicans. Several administrations have been party to the systematic breakdown of those restrictions leading to what is happening now. As for the idea that 3 years in Obama should have fixed this already? What economic collapse of this magnitude has EVER been resolved in 3 years. Lionsden is doing the best thing possible and growing the economy. Small businesses is where the economy is going to correct from and government can't do that for people. What they SHOULD be doing is looking at how this all happened and putting in regulation to prevent the financial structure from going amok again. BECAUSE THEY WILL is they are given another chance. THAT is what government is for! Anyone that believes that the government owes them a job is deluded and wrong...but the government owes them an environment in which it is possible to thrive and not have the rug pulled out from under them through no fault of their own because a few at the top took outlandish risks to try to make money while defaulting the risk and liability to the people farther down. ALL with the implicit permission of the government.
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Post by NYR on Nov 18, 2011 12:21:16 GMT -5
you are all getting off topic. bush is out, and while he caused most of this mess, it is the fault of the president, congress and the supreme court to not make things any better. you are right that a lot of the protestors down there lean to the left, but they are as angry at the dems as they are with the repubs.
cheeks, don't you think those people down there DON'T want to work? you think they LIKE being unemployed?? they aren't getting hired, whih is why thy are down there in the first place! telling them not to complain about current conditions is ridiculous. if they don't speak up, nobody will. they know for damn sure the government won't.
ayn rand is wrong: being a selfish and greedy bastard is not a political philosophy. it's just being a greedy, selfish bastard. to deny these people, many of which also have college degrees, of their constitutional right to speak out and assemble just because you disagree with the is not just wrong; it's unamerican.
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Post by jilliam on Nov 18, 2011 12:30:09 GMT -5
Do away with the corporatized Federal Reserve and watch all the rats scamper back to their little holes.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 12:42:44 GMT -5
being a selfish and greedy bastard is not a political philosophy. it's just being a greedy, selfish bastard. k+ Great line, could have said that to so many people over the last few months and will be from now on. ;D
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Post by allah on Nov 18, 2011 13:35:55 GMT -5
As a business man, I live by the philosophy of "Greed is Good", which a very wise man once said Get these hippies of the streets ;D
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Post by thuperthonic on Nov 18, 2011 14:06:01 GMT -5
Ross is secretly owning this thread.
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Post by NYR on Nov 18, 2011 14:09:48 GMT -5
being a selfish and greedy bastard is not a political philosophy. it's just being a greedy, selfish bastard. k+ Great line, could have said that to so many people over the last few months and will be from now on. ;D thanks, but listen. i have no problem with rich people. i have friends from all economic groups. this isn't class warfare, and i don't support any of that. however, the fact of the matter is that it's not right that a small percentage of the country gets treated better than any other group. to quote george orwell, "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others." this isn't about right or left. it's about what's right and what's wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 9:54:19 GMT -5
i recommend
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Post by masterplan200 on Nov 19, 2011 10:26:45 GMT -5
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