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Post by gdforever on Nov 10, 2011 13:17:19 GMT -5
I love you so much that I am going to hit you over the head with a guitar, repeatedly leave you in a lurch, and outright say you're no good without me while simultaneously yammering about how I don't need you at all. I'll imply the illegitimacy of your firstborn while you are suffering because of the breakdown of your marriage. With love like that who needs hate?! Noel may be less demonstrative than Liam but he is also seems a lot more constant. He wasn't the one to come out with comments like "it takes more than blood to be my brother" etc. Noel may not have always been kind about Liam personally (as many brothers aren't)..but he never and continues not to allow others to bag on Liam to him. When the presenters were making a big deal about how quickly his first tour sold out he was the first to continue to emphasize that their tour had been bigger. When an interviewer started talking about BDI being unsuccessful commercially Noel stopped him and said that BDI had done fine, comparable to the Arctic Monkeys and Kasabian. The first that any of us had heard that. He may not be big on words and flash statements...but he's led a hard life. A harder life than Liam. His growing up was more violent. He spent several more years toiling away. When he got his success he worked way harder for it than Liam beginning to end. (Liam's voice and attitude may have been as big a part as the songs but Noel worked harder at songs and the music than Liam did) This idea that Noel is a less worthwhile person is absurd. He's a loner and harder to know. But I don't believe that there is any moral superiority in being fickle and demeaning. Liam is currently trying to build himself up by knocking Noel down...and I think there is nothing more disgusting in a persons character than behavior like that. About your last point and in the fairness of balance what would you say about Noel in the same respect? Someone who for years has run his brother down not even for the purpose of building himself up but just because he can, because its easy, because it gets a laugh from the interviewer or reporter sitting opposite him. Doesn't sound like you should like him either. Oh come on. Noel always did it to be amusing. Every one one of those stories was hilarious and very few were anything approaching malicious. Since the stakes have changed Noel has been extremely decent about Liam and BDI. Liam has made the effort to run Noel's project down at every possibility. When they had a common goal things were different. And even then Noel never said anything to make the world think that Liam was shit while he was in Oasis and he hasn't done it since. He always defended his voice even when it was shit, he was ALWAYS complementary about the songwriting talents of LAG. Liam on the other hand has run down everything about Noel from personality (which is fair enough since that was always Noel's complaints about Liam) to his music (past and future) to his success (funny that #1's don't matter when Noel has them and BDI doesn't but before Noel had a #1 Liam had said he'd been disappointed NOT to get a #1) I have no problem with people being amusing. But Liam isn't even amusing in his insults...just spiteful and petty. He is a 13 year old boy in a sulk and lashing out. Funny thing is that from this article sounds like we don't even hear half the vicious stuff that Liam has been saying about Noel. When a journalist refuses to print something because he thinks it's too much...that says something. Funny thing is that people like you believe Liam...and not even Liam believes Liam. lol. There isn't an honest bone in that mans body. He makes up his own truth at the drop of the hat if it'll make himself feel better. The difference between Noel and Liam is that if the situations had been reversed and Noel's had sold 66K the first week and Liam sold 120K the first week, if BDI had gone platinum and Noel were only projected for gold, Liam would have been lording it up. Noel hasn't mentioned the disparity once yet. He is fickle and without conviction...which is sad because I had thought he had some.
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Post by GIMH on Nov 10, 2011 13:36:06 GMT -5
Noel didn't just bag Liam for a laugh. There was a time in the late 90s where you couldn't open a newspaper without reading Noel sayuing he wanted to sack Liam, his behaviour was embarassing, yadda yadda. He has made a point plenty of times over the last 15 years of having a go at Liam. This is indisputable.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 10, 2011 13:50:31 GMT -5
Hmmm...I'd say there were several inacuracies in that.
He's said himself more than once he says things to wind his brother up.
Imo some of the repeated ones became pretty tiresome. Just because something is funny to you doesn't mean its funny to the person the joke is about, especially a family member.
I think you'll find Noel has said a lot about Liam in interviews that might make people think Liam is shit. I'd go as far to say that a lot of casual music fans have formed at least part of there opinion on Liam from Noel's words. I don't think anyone would enjoy being defined by the words of their sibling. But you lap it up.
He's not always been complementary about Liam's songwriting. Not about little James at any rate.
Why wouldn't he be disappointed? He's wants Beady Eye to be the best they can be. But I would guess he knew especially with Adele's record about. Nowt wrong with wanting to stay competative. I don't remember him saying that it mattered that much though? Noel is the same he always say's 'No.1's? I've had loads of them anyway' or something like that.
It doesn't really, this was the The Telegrapgh. A posh paper for want of a better description. They won't be putting the vagina word in there. If it was NME it would have all been there. I doubt there was much we hadn't heard already.
Not sure if you are in a position to judge whether Liam doesn't believe Liam. Or too say there isn't am 'honest bone in that mans body', not knowing him of course. Its weird to think that you are actually the extremeist, you are the one who takes Noel's words and believes them absolutely. Noel say's he doesn't like people without conviction, GD regurgitates it on here. Liam changed his mind over a period of 2 years, I don't really see what the problem is.
I'm going to go with people I know who have met him, people who have spoke to him and the reports have always been good, glowing in fact.
Noel a loner? Noel might have appeared to have become one now he's older but I don't think he always has been.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 10, 2011 13:53:11 GMT -5
hahaha I'm being smited by Noel's gang. Result.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 10, 2011 13:58:49 GMT -5
Hmmm...I'd say there were several inacuracies in that. He's said himself more than once he says things to wind his brother up. Imo some of the repeated ones became pretty tiresome. Just because something is funny to you doesn't mean its funny to the person the joke is about, especially a family member. I think you'll find Noel has said a lot about Liam in interviews that might make people think Liam is shit. I'd go as far to say that a lot of casual music fans have formed at least part of there opinion on Liam from Noel's words. I don't think anyone would enjoy being defined by the words of their sibling. But you lap it up. He's not always been complementary about Liam's songwriting. Not about little James at any rate. Why wouldn't he be disappointed? He's wants Beady Eye to be the best they can be. But I would guess he knew especially with Adele's record about. Nowt wrong with wanting to stay competative. I don't remember him saying that it mattered that much though? Noel is the same he always say's 'No.1's? I've had loads of them anyway' or something like that. It doesn't really, this was the The Telegrapgh. A posh paper for want of a better description. They won't be putting the vagina word in there. If it was NME it would have all been there. I doubt there was much we hadn't heard already. Not sure if you are in a position to judge whether Liam doesn't believe Liam. Or too say there isn't am 'honest bone in that mans body', not knowing him of course. Its weird to think that you are actually the extremeist, you are the one who takes Noel's words and believes them absolutely. Noel say's he doesn't like people without conviction, GD regurgitates it on here. Liam changed his mind over a period of 2 years, I don't really see what the problem is. I'm going to go with people I know who have met him, people who have spoke to him and the reports have always been good, glowing in fact. Noel a loner? Noel might have appeared to have become one now he's older but I don't think he always has been. Liam changed his mind about stuff within months. The quote about having been disappointed about not having a # 1 was from late in the summer festival season. And the quotes about not wanting Oasis together are from middle of the year. And I made the point about being disappointed about Liam flip flopping about Oasis before Noel said anything about it. So no...it's not a new opinion shaped by Noel. And you are right that Noel has always been consistent And people's view of Liam seems more shaped by Liam himself than Noel. That he is abrasive, cancels on gigs, deteriorated voice, unreliable, violent. ALL of that comes from Liam's behavior and interviews. And LJ is the ONLY tune that Noel has ever slightly joked about and he has never said it was shit. He has never even been more critical of it than his own tunes. He never mentions it being a reason for SOTSOG not being good. And he only ever joked about it after Liam had written a half dozen other substantially better tunes.
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Post by Jim on Nov 10, 2011 14:04:36 GMT -5
hahaha I'm being smited by Noel's gang. Result. Have a bit back then!
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 10, 2011 14:24:31 GMT -5
hahaha I'm being smited by Noel's gang. Result. Have a bit back then! Thank you Jim!
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 10, 2011 15:50:17 GMT -5
And you are right that Noel has always been consistent And people's view of Liam seems more shaped by Liam himself than Noel. That he is abrasive, cancels on gigs, deteriorated voice, unreliable, violent. ALL of that comes from Liam's behavior and interviews. Noel consistent ? Noel likes people with conviction? But the guy keeps contradicting himself every two days ! He was telling he would never leave Oasis, that he values Liam's opinion more than anything. Then that Liam was an idiot and that he never listen a word he says. It's funny how Liam is known for cancelling gig, but who left the tour in 2000 ? Who carried on ? Who left thousand of people in Paris. People who sticks to their conviction, bollocks. Who talked about a reunion tour first ? Who used Liam statement that he would make him vomit to justify not doing it ? Then on Liam's songwritting ability, Noel has always be ok but no elogious either. Quote about I'm outta time "What an I say, it's a song with one verse and two chorus, Liam is Liam you know... but it's a good song". So Liam says shit about Noel often, but Noel is far from perfect. And it wasn't funny all the time when he was telling stories about Liam, it shows contempt most of the time. To conclude, Liam is jalous and Noel shows contempt to him. Brothers are just stupids...
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Post by starwillshine on Nov 10, 2011 17:04:38 GMT -5
Just came across this on youtube, found it quite funny and kinda proves a point.
Liam sure does have a bad reputation and gets a hard time of it. Is Noel to blame for this? Of course not, he doesn't help himself sometimes but Noel sure did/does put him down frequently.
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Post by alwaysnow on Nov 10, 2011 17:18:12 GMT -5
Hmmm...I'd say there were several inacuracies in that. He's said himself more than once he says things to wind his brother up. Imo some of the repeated ones became pretty tiresome. Just because something is funny to you doesn't mean its funny to the person the joke is about, especially a family member. I think you'll find Noel has said a lot about Liam in interviews that might make people think Liam is shit. I'd go as far to say that a lot of casual music fans have formed at least part of there opinion on Liam from Noel's words. I don't think anyone would enjoy being defined by the words of their sibling. But you lap it up. He's not always been complementary about Liam's songwriting. Not about little James at any rate. Why wouldn't he be disappointed? He's wants Beady Eye to be the best they can be. But I would guess he knew especially with Adele's record about. Nowt wrong with wanting to stay competative. I don't remember him saying that it mattered that much though? Noel is the same he always say's 'No.1's? I've had loads of them anyway' or something like that. It doesn't really, this was the The Telegrapgh. A posh paper for want of a better description. They won't be putting the vagina word in there. If it was NME it would have all been there. I doubt there was much we hadn't heard already. Not sure if you are in a position to judge whether Liam doesn't believe Liam. Or too say there isn't am 'honest bone in that mans body', not knowing him of course. Its weird to think that you are actually the extremeist, you are the one who takes Noel's words and believes them absolutely. Noel say's he doesn't like people without conviction, GD regurgitates it on here. Liam changed his mind over a period of 2 years, I don't really see what the problem is. I'm going to go with people I know who have met him, people who have spoke to him and the reports have always been good, glowing in fact. Noel a loner? Noel might have appeared to have become one now he's older but I don't think he always has been. Karma for you, mate, great points made there. Plus you deserve recognition just because of your perseverance.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Nov 10, 2011 18:55:17 GMT -5
It's the nature of siblings. Unlike Liam, who loves Noel as much as possible (even if in a quite unusual way, maybe), I don't think Noel's heart has any feelings for Liam... It just seems that he doesn't love or hate him, he just couldn't care less about his brother. You don't have brothers or sisters, do you? If you had you wouldn't say Noel does not love Liam.. Of course he loves him It's just that he's his younger brother and he's a jerk and that's all but I'm sure Noel loves Liam as much as Liam loves Noel just in a different way as it happens with all the siblings in the world. Don't know how to explain it.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Nov 10, 2011 18:58:18 GMT -5
I love you so much that I am going to hit you over the head with a guitar, repeatedly leave you in a lurch, and outright say you're no good without me while simultaneously yammering about how I don't need you at all. I'll imply the illegitimacy of your firstborn while you are suffering because of the breakdown of your marriage. With love like that who needs hate?! Noel may be less demonstrative than Liam but he is also seems a lot more constant. He wasn't the one to come out with comments like "it takes more than blood to be my brother" etc. Noel may not have always been kind about Liam personally (as many brothers aren't)..but he never and continues not to allow others to bag on Liam to him. When the presenters were making a big deal about how quickly his first tour sold out he was the first to continue to emphasize that their tour had been bigger. When an interviewer started talking about BDI being unsuccessful commercially Noel stopped him and said that BDI had done fine, comparable to the Arctic Monkeys and Kasabian. The first that any of us had heard that. He may not be big on words and flash statements...but he's led a hard life. A harder life than Liam. His growing up was more violent. He spent several more years toiling away. When he got his success he worked way harder for it than Liam beginning to end. (Liam's voice and attitude may have been as big a part as the songs but Noel worked harder at songs and the music than Liam did) This idea that Noel is a less worthwhile person is absurd. He's a loner and harder to know. But I don't believe that there is any moral superiority in being fickle and demeaning. Liam is currently trying to build himself up by knocking Noel down...and I think there is nothing more disgusting in a persons character than behavior like that. This.
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 10, 2011 19:02:42 GMT -5
Unlike Liam, who loves Noel as much as possible (even if in a quite unusual way, maybe), I don't think Noel's heart has any feelings for Liam... It just seems that he doesn't love or hate him, he just couldn't care less about his brother. You don't have brothers or sisters, do you? If you had you wouldn't say Noel does not love Liam.. Of course he loves him It's just that he's his younger brother and he's a jerk and that's all but I'm sure Noel loves Liam as much as Liam loves Noel just in a different way as it happens with all the siblings in the world. Don't know how to explain it. Not only I have a brother, he's four years younger than me and we always have lots of fun together. Of course we fight sometimes, but that's so rare, and I'd always help my brother if I had the chance, and never diss him in public.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Nov 10, 2011 19:07:00 GMT -5
Noel didn't just bag Liam for a laugh. There was a time in the late 90s where you couldn't open a newspaper without reading Noel sayuing he wanted to sack Liam, his behaviour was embarassing, yadda yadda. He has made a point plenty of times over the last 15 years of having a go at Liam. This is indisputable. Maybe because what he said was true? Having to deal with someone like Liam isn't easy, specially if he's your younger brother and you're in a band with him. I don't understand why people always see Liam as the poor kid and Noel as the unkind person. I don't think things are like this. I'm sure that what Liam says to the press also hurts Noel but Noel prefers to keep that to himself and say nothing which Liam interprets as Noel don't giving a fuck about him so he tries to hurt him ever more to get his attention. It's like a circle that won't ever stop...
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Post by kimallenbewick on Nov 10, 2011 19:11:38 GMT -5
You don't have brothers or sisters, do you? If you had you wouldn't say Noel does not love Liam.. Of course he loves him It's just that he's his younger brother and he's a jerk and that's all but I'm sure Noel loves Liam as much as Liam loves Noel just in a different way as it happens with all the siblings in the world. Don't know how to explain it. Not only I have a brother, he's four years younger than me and we always have lots of fun together. Of course we fight sometimes, but that's so rare, and I'd always help my brother if I had the chance, and never diss him in public. You must have a great relationship but I don't know if you've noticed Liam and Noel haven't... Anyway Noel has dissed Liam in public sometimes but Liam has also so...
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Post by gdforever on Nov 10, 2011 19:18:29 GMT -5
You don't have brothers or sisters, do you? If you had you wouldn't say Noel does not love Liam.. Of course he loves him It's just that he's his younger brother and he's a jerk and that's all but I'm sure Noel loves Liam as much as Liam loves Noel just in a different way as it happens with all the siblings in the world. Don't know how to explain it. Not only I have a brother, he's four years younger than me and we always have lots of fun together. Of course we fight sometimes, but that's so rare, and I'd always help my brother if I had the chance, and never diss him in public. There is no way that I will believe that Noel doesn't love his brother. You are fortunate in your relationship with your brother. But you can't be oblivious to the casual disregard that siblings treat each other in most of the population. Noel once said that no one was allowed to make fun of Liam but him. Seems pretty standard sibling love to me. He may not always like him...but I am sure he always loves him. If Liam ever actually needed Noel for something I am sure that Noel would be there for him. He has spent a lot of his adult life taking care of Liam to a certain extent. You can see that he still cares because he has made the effort to build up BDI (ticket sales, album sales, reviews) despite the fact that it surely would have been easier to be unkind about what amounts to a mostly average album, unremarkable album sales, mixed reviews, and mediocre ticket sales. And all this despite obviously being upset about Liam insulting his solo career and being dismissive of Oasis.
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Post by youandmegirl on Nov 11, 2011 0:29:15 GMT -5
Not only I have a brother, he's four years younger than me and we always have lots of fun together. Of course we fight sometimes, but that's so rare, and I'd always help my brother if I had the chance, and never diss him in public. There is no way that I will believe that Noel doesn't love his brother. You are fortunate in your relationship with your brother. But you can't be oblivious to the casual disregard that siblings treat each other in most of the population. Noel once said that no one was allowed to make fun of Liam but him. Seems pretty standard sibling love to me. He may not always like him...but I am sure he always loves him. If Liam ever actually needed Noel for something I am sure that Noel would be there for him. He has spent a lot of his adult life taking care of Liam to a certain extent. You can see that he still cares because he has made the effort to build up BDI (ticket sales, album sales, reviews) despite the fact that it surely would have been easier to be unkind about what amounts to a mostly average album, unremarkable album sales, mixed reviews, and mediocre ticket sales. And all this despite obviously being upset about Liam insulting his solo career and being dismissive of Oasis. OMG, SHUT UP! SHUT. UP.!. SHUTUP!! SHUDDUPP! SHUT. UP! SHUT-TUP!! SHUT-TOP!!! ShUt Up!! SHUT UP! SHUDDUP!! SHUDDUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHUDDDDDUUUPPPPPPPP!! SHUT-UP!!!!!!!! SHUT-UPPPPP!!!!!!!...............................................................Shut (*cough, cough, cou) shut (*cough) up.
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Post by GIMH on Nov 11, 2011 1:48:18 GMT -5
Noel didn't just bag Liam for a laugh. There was a time in the late 90s where you couldn't open a newspaper without reading Noel sayuing he wanted to sack Liam, his behaviour was embarassing, yadda yadda. He has made a point plenty of times over the last 15 years of having a go at Liam. This is indisputable. Maybe because what he said was true? Having to deal with someone like Liam isn't easy, specially if he's your younger brother and you're in a band with him. I don't understand why people always see Liam as the poor kid and Noel as the unkind person. I don't think things are like this. I'm sure that what Liam says to the press also hurts Noel but Noel prefers to keep that to himself and say nothing which Liam interprets as Noel don't giving a fuck about him so he tries to hurt him ever more to get his attention. It's like a circle that won't ever stop... It's irrelevant whether it was true. Just because something is true doesn't mean it needs to be shared with the world. Say the harsh words to Liam not the gossip columnist in the red tops. I'm not saying Liam would have reacted favourably to Noel providing him with criticism (and I'm not saying he wouldn't) but why air dirty laundry in public? Liam could have come out after the SOTSOG tour and said "our kid left us right in the shit, if he wasn't my brother I'd refuse to work with him again" or some such shit, but what would it achieve? It's a fucking shitty attitude, I thought so in the 90s, I thought so in the 00s and I think so now.
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Post by collibosher on Nov 11, 2011 2:13:43 GMT -5
Several years before the break up, Noel said there was a bond between he and Liam that could never be broken under any circumstances. It may be frayed and ragged these days but it still must be there.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Nov 11, 2011 7:49:21 GMT -5
Well if Liam didn't act like a total knob in the 6 months or whatever it was before Oasis split then they would still be together. His attitude in the Itunes gig in 09 sucked.
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Post by sbajf on Nov 11, 2011 8:59:11 GMT -5
You lot are proper mental.
I can't believe how much some of you read into things.
They are brothers - the end. I hate/love mine too.
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Post by mossy on Nov 12, 2011 8:26:59 GMT -5
You lot are proper mental. I can't believe how much some of you read into things. Hey, everybody enjoys a mass debate.
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