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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 12, 2011 15:35:04 GMT -5
Andy's role in Oasis was to play the bass and toe the company line. If he actually had spoken up about anything to the press, I believe he would have been kicked out. That is unfortunate, but it also reveals that the paycheck was his priority, not integrity.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Aug 12, 2011 16:00:05 GMT -5
Andy's role in Oasis was to play the bass and toe the company line. If he actually had spoken up about anything to the press, I believe he would have been kicked out. That is unfortunate, but it also reveals that the paycheck was his priority, not integrity. It simply means that he considered the benefits of being in Oasis as a bass player (playing THOSE songs in Madison Square Garden and Wembley Stadium and getting your name on a page in history) hugely outweighed the negatives (having to toe the company line, listening to Liam and Noel bicker, etc). There was simply no point in challenging Noel Gallagher, a creative genius and brilliant media operator. That doesn't mean Andy lacked integrity, nor ambition, he just knew his place all too well. Even Noel has said Andy SHOULD have intervened in Paris, but would either the Gallaghers have listened? I think not.
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Post by elephantstoner on Aug 12, 2011 16:51:52 GMT -5
the bummer here is that andy is a genius in his own right...hurricane #1 was genius. genius. he doesnt seem to care about expressing himself
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 18:22:54 GMT -5
Andy's role in Oasis was to play the bass and toe the company line. If he actually had spoken up about anything to the press, I believe he would have been kicked out. That is unfortunate, but it also reveals that the paycheck was his priority, not integrity. Agree with this
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Post by Jeff25 on Aug 12, 2011 18:46:45 GMT -5
I was talking with a friend of mine, Special Agent Fox Mulder, who had a theory on the comments made by Andy Bell. Mulder wondered who would benefit the most from Noel leaving Oasis. It was Andy Bell!!!! He moved up to lead guitar, got to have more of his songs on an album and always seemed to side with Liam on the sibling spats. It does make you wonder as the truth is out there. Or maybe that was in relation to aliens. I wanted to talk with Agent Scully about this, but the restraining order is still in effect.
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Post by Fiennes on Aug 12, 2011 19:15:59 GMT -5
I had been looking forward to hearing what Liam & co had to say in response to Noel's press conference, but so far I agree that they haven't provided much detail. Noel has given his truth, no matter how true or manipulated it was.
When Andy says the PG argument was "lies", I think he means that there was never an argument about that, because Noel didn't say PG was the cause of the fight, he just said there had been one (or more than one) in the past. I assume that when he says the hungover thing was a lie he means it was true that Liam was unwell, but he didn't specify.
I'm not surprised about his comments anyway, I understand his position and sympathise with him as much as I can sympathise with Gem, Chris, Bonehead, Guigs etc, but it's good some of you pointed out that that's what Oasis was, ie Noel being the main player in the game and Liam and the others accepting it. THat's how and why Oasis worked. I don't mean to justify Noel for anything he may have done/said in the past or say that he is not manipulative, but Oasis worked because everyone sticked to their roles and let Noel lead. It's never been a democracy. It's understandable for Andy to express his feelings, but hey, it was what it was.
Also, I think it's untrue that Noel convinced public opinion that the others were useless. He definitely didn't fool us fans, we all know how much Liam contributed to the band and that Andy and Gem are very good musicians.
As for the split, I think the truth lies in the middle - perhaps Noel overloaded his version when he threw in PG, and Liam & Co were surprised to hear him bring it up.
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Post by RocketMan on Aug 12, 2011 19:16:36 GMT -5
andy will never achieve noels talent, coolness or eloquence. he will always be the quiet bass player from oasis. he should be proud about that. it all went back to noel that andy is a rich man now making the music he always wanted to make
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Aug 12, 2011 19:17:40 GMT -5
Andy Bell is a boring, useless c*nt who brought little-to-nothing to the band. Its hilarious that people would support him over Noel Gallagher, the creative force behind Oasis. None of what you said make sense at all, they just prove that you're another one of the guys manipulated by the press. It's hilarious how much modern people, supposed to be living in the "age of information," rely on anything that comes out from the media as their primary and credible information source. The idea of a human completely reevaluated based on its participation of the media war, it's just crazy.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 12, 2011 19:23:24 GMT -5
Haven't scanned the 3 pages of this thread yet. But how the hell can he claim Noel lied, yet he fails to offer any story of his own?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 12, 2011 19:36:51 GMT -5
Also, what I want to know from Andy is why he didn't speak up or try to rectify the situation. It's not good enough to simply say that 2 other people didn't either.* For whatever reason, Noel expected Andy to react at least in some fashion. There was an expectation on Andy. Andy didn't live up to that. Yet Andy doesn't explain why. I think this is poor on his part.
*When he says "There were 3 of us in that room....", does he simply mean himself, Liam, and Noel or does he mean there were 2 other members that were also not involved along with himself? That's a big deal and difference, b/c if he was only there with Noel and Liam, then the expectation for him to have reacted gets even stronger......
So in Andy's world, it's alright to do the improper thing as long as someone else is doing the same improper action? Yeah, cos that makes a lot of sense.
There's nothing in that interview that is actually revealing. All Andy says is Noel lied. Wow. What did we expect Andy to say?
You know, out of the 3 of them, the only full version story we have is Noel's. Take that for what it's worth......
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Post by supersonic8587 on Aug 12, 2011 20:12:55 GMT -5
Also, what I want to know from Andy is why he didn't speak up or try to rectify the situation. It's not good enough to simply say that 2 other people didn't either.* For whatever reason, Noel expected Andy to react at least in some fashion. There was an expectation on Andy. Andy didn't live up to that. Yet Andy doesn't explain why. I think this is poor on his part. *When he says "There were 3 of us in that room....", does he simply mean himself, Liam, and Noel or does he mean there were 2 other members that were also not involved along with himself? That's a big deal and difference, b/c if he was only there with Noel and Liam, then the expectation for him to have reacted gets even stronger...... So in Andy's world, it's alright to do the improper thing as long as someone else is doing the same improper action? Yeah, cos that makes a lot of sense. There's nothing in that interview that is actually revealing. All Andy says is Noel lied. Wow. What did we expect Andy to say? You know, out of the 3 of them, the only full version story we have is Noel's. Take that for what it's worth...... What are you talking about "the only full version of the story we have is Noel's?" Are you basing that off of face or just saying it because you want to believe Noel's side of the story. Liam has told the story countless times and it seemed pretty full to me. I guess if you prefer a version that fills in any gaps you perceive with lies, then maybe you should go with Noel's version.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 21:32:36 GMT -5
Andy Bell is a boring, useless c*nt who brought little-to-nothing to the band. Its hilarious that people would support him over Noel Gallagher, the creative force behind Oasis. None of what you said make sense at all, they just prove that you're another one of the guys manipulated by the press. It's hilarious how much modern people, supposed to be living in the "age of information," rely on anything that comes out from the media as their primary and credible information source. The idea of a human completely reevaluated based on its participation of the media war, it's just crazy. Are you smoking crack? How did what I said not make sense? What the fuck are you talking about? Stop smoking crack. Stop eating dogs too.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 12, 2011 22:04:05 GMT -5
Also, what I want to know from Andy is why he didn't speak up or try to rectify the situation. It's not good enough to simply say that 2 other people didn't either.* For whatever reason, Noel expected Andy to react at least in some fashion. There was an expectation on Andy. Andy didn't live up to that. Yet Andy doesn't explain why. I think this is poor on his part. *When he says "There were 3 of us in that room....", does he simply mean himself, Liam, and Noel or does he mean there were 2 other members that were also not involved along with himself? That's a big deal and difference, b/c if he was only there with Noel and Liam, then the expectation for him to have reacted gets even stronger...... So in Andy's world, it's alright to do the improper thing as long as someone else is doing the same improper action? Yeah, cos that makes a lot of sense. There's nothing in that interview that is actually revealing. All Andy says is Noel lied. Wow. What did we expect Andy to say? You know, out of the 3 of them, the only full version story we have is Noel's. Take that for what it's worth...... What are you talking about "the only full version of the story we have is Noel's?" Are you basing that off of face or just saying it because you want to believe Noel's side of the story. Liam has told the story countless times and it seemed pretty full to me. I guess if you prefer a version that fills in any gaps you perceive with lies, then maybe you should go with Noel's version. So Liam has explained why he threw the guitar at Noel? So Liam has explained what the fight was about? So Liam has explained why the bad feelings were festering for a few months prior? No, I don't think he has. Whether Noel is telling the truth or not is a moot point here - he is the only one who has offered a story of that night. AND, no one has explained Andy's rational in watching the fight (even a simple 'I didn't think it was my place to get involved as their fights never ended the band before' would suffice, but Andy won't even offer that). Andy and Liam can claim Noel has lied - and maybe he has, who knows - but they have no validity until they offer explanations of their own. "Noel lied" is simply not a good enough response, I'm sorry. [If I say 2+2 =5 and you say I'm wrong, and leave it at that, how would you convince the general public - assuming they don't know simple math? You can't. You'd have to prove that 2+2 = 4.....Same concept here - simply saying Noel lied isn't good or strong enough. We need concrete details). Noel's story may have factual inaccuracies, but until another story is put forth, I will believe his account.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Aug 12, 2011 22:47:06 GMT -5
None of what you said make sense at all, they just prove that you're another one of the guys manipulated by the press. It's hilarious how much modern people, supposed to be living in the "age of information," rely on anything that comes out from the media as their primary and credible information source. The idea of a human completely reevaluated based on its participation of the media war, it's just crazy. Are you smoking crack? How did what I said not make sense? What the fuck are you talking about? Stop smoking crack. Stop eating dogs too. wow. great response. you rock. think about it. aloha!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 22:49:07 GMT -5
I've held back comment on this thread all day, but now it is time to speak my little piece of commentary: If Andy has such a problem with Noel taking the lead in the press, then he should have gotten off his lazy ass and spoke up while Oasis was still around. Do something FFS! It bugs me that after the fact he comes out and says that he resents the fact that the press is pro-Noel over BDI. Well, no shit? No one else in the band ever gave the press any reason to think otherwise, did they? It's ridiculous. On a more calm note, Andy comes across as an ungrateful vagina. Noel invited him into the band after the departure of Bonehead and Guigsy, and this is how he chooses to remember his time in the best band on the planet. What a tool! Cheers! Oh dear, you really do live in a world where Noel gallagher is a God amongst men. You might consider that Noel, while saying he was the only one doing the press was the one who wanted to do the press. I mean lets face it he's never quiet for long is he. Theres nothing wrong with that, he's likes a chat. Andy imo was saying that Noel in doing the majority of the press, the readers/fans only saw his opinion and slant on it. He is a media darling and uses the press for his own purposes just as they use him. He's quite cosy with them and has been for ages. I don't think Andy really said anything shocking at all and I don't believe for a second he was saying that Noel was the reason the press thought BDI would be shit. He's always said what a great time he had in Oasis and said a similar thing again here about it mostly being good. You simply read the bits that fit with your opinion and then rage about the thing you interpret as insulting your leader. I don't worship Noel like some other people I know. It just came across very petty to take a run a someone when you had the chance before to do it. Liam and Noel argue about everything, so why didn't Andy throw his 2 cents in the conversation? thats all.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Aug 12, 2011 22:53:04 GMT -5
None of what you said make sense at all, they just prove that you're another one of the guys manipulated by the press. It's hilarious how much modern people, supposed to be living in the "age of information," rely on anything that comes out from the media as their primary and credible information source. The idea of a human completely reevaluated based on its participation of the media war, it's just crazy. Are you smoking crack? How did what I said not make sense? What the fuck are you talking about? Stop smoking crack. Stop eating dogs too. Lol it's at least the second time you referred to dog eating here
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 23:10:42 GMT -5
I don't worship Noel like some other people I know. It just came across very petty to take a run a someone when you had the chance before to do it. Liam and Noel argue about everything, so why didn't Andy throw his 2 cents in the conversation? thats all. Maybe (and probably IMO) because it was pointless?I don't know, I just think that the benefits of doing that were minimal for Andy in that moment.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 13, 2011 13:23:14 GMT -5
I didn't like Andy that much since he joined Oasis in 2000, he was no even a professional bass player to begin with, he entered the band only because he was a great mate of Liam. IMO the only good thing that he brought to the band was TUTS.
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Post by galli86 on Aug 14, 2011 3:56:55 GMT -5
I didn't like Andy that much since he joined Oasis in 2000, he was no even a professional bass player to begin with, he entered the band only because he was a great mate of Liam. IMO the only good thing that he brought to the band was TUTS. what is a professional bass player?! a great guitarist (andy is one for sure) can play the bass of oasis tracks with eyes closed. didnt know he was a mate of liam before he joined the band. never seen a pic of em in the 90s and liam alwaysy had a go at shoegazing and stuff, calling it boring etc... so I cant imagine that. but who cares, noel would have never allowed to get him on board if andy would have been an complete idiot and amateur at playing bass. cheers
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Post by galli86 on Aug 14, 2011 4:11:47 GMT -5
who would benefit the most from Noel leaving Oasis. It was Andy Bell!!!! He moved up to lead guitar, got to have more of his songs on an album and always seemed to side with Liam on the sibling spats. andy is an evil man with an evil plan. he didnt say a word for more than 9 years and he made it. noel left because of andy not saying a word. but his plan is not completed. next mission is kicking liam out of the band. now andy is providing horrible backing vocals because he got his mic back on stage. his plan is to drive liam crazy so he is leaving. and again 9 years later,in 2020, andy finally will have completed his mission. he will have destroyed one of the best bands ever, kicked both gallaghers out of their bands and he will be the lead singer and main songwriter in his band. he will celebrate the 30th birthday of his opus magnum "Nowhere". Oh andy you evil genius...
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Post by Master Wanker on Aug 14, 2011 19:18:09 GMT -5
this one goes out for Andy Bell
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Post by Level 03 on Aug 14, 2011 19:20:12 GMT -5
I don't worship Noel like some other people I know. It just came across very petty to take a run a someone when you had the chance before to do it. Liam and Noel argue about everything, so why didn't Andy throw his 2 cents in the conversation? thats all. Maybe (and probably IMO) because it was pointless?I don't know, I just think that the benefits of doing that were minimal for Andy in that moment.Writed with pink caractere, and a picture of your face on a bed on your own avatar is ridiculous.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 14, 2011 20:41:23 GMT -5
I didn't like Andy that much since he joined Oasis in 2000, he was no even a professional bass player to begin with, he entered the band only because he was a great mate of Liam. IMO the only good thing that he brought to the band was TUTS. what is a professional bass player?! a great guitarist (andy is one for sure) can play the bass of oasis tracks with eyes closed. didnt know he was a mate of liam before he joined the band. never seen a pic of em in the 90s and liam alwaysy had a go at shoegazing and stuff, calling it boring etc... so I cant imagine that. but who cares, noel would have never allowed to get him on board if andy would have been an complete idiot and amateur at playing bass. cheers In first place it was Liam who gave the ideia of bring Andy to play bass for Oasis, Noel didn't like the idea at first since he knew that Andy was a guitarrist in first place and not a bass player, Noel main ideia was to brought a professional bass players with more skills with the instrument. Later on Noel agreed to bring Andy only to please Liam, before the SOTSOG tour Andy had to learn all the bass lines of some Oasis songs. I still think till today that a more professional bass player with more skills would brought more to Oasis sound than Andy, it is hard to find a memorable bass line from Andy on HC, DBTT and DOYS.
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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 15, 2011 0:31:25 GMT -5
who would benefit the most from Noel leaving Oasis. It was Andy Bell!!!! He moved up to lead guitar, got to have more of his songs on an album and always seemed to side with Liam on the sibling spats. andy is an evil man with an evil plan. he didnt say a word for more than 9 years and he made it. noel left because of andy not saying a word. but his plan is not completed. next mission is kicking liam out of the band. now andy is providing horrible backing vocals because he got his mic back on stage. his plan is to drive liam crazy so he is leaving. and again 9 years later,in 2020, andy finally will have completed his mission. he will have destroyed one of the best bands ever, kicked both gallaghers out of their bands and he will be the lead singer and main songwriter in his band. he will celebrate the 30th birthday of his opus magnum "Nowhere". Oh andy you evil genius... That was fucking epic stuff, man. Well done.
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Post by space75gr on Aug 15, 2011 13:10:10 GMT -5
Also, what I want to know from Andy is why he didn't speak up or try to rectify the situation. It's not good enough to simply say that 2 other people didn't either.* For whatever reason, Noel expected Andy to react at least in some fashion. There was an expectation on Andy. Andy didn't live up to that. Yet Andy doesn't explain why. I think this is poor on his part. *When he says "There were 3 of us in that room....", does he simply mean himself, Liam, and Noel or does he mean there were 2 other members that were also not involved along with himself? That's a big deal and difference, b/c if he was only there with Noel and Liam, then the expectation for him to have reacted gets even stronger...... So in Andy's world, it's alright to do the improper thing as long as someone else is doing the same improper action? Yeah, cos that makes a lot of sense. There's nothing in that interview that is actually revealing. All Andy says is Noel lied. Wow. What did we expect Andy to say? You know, out of the 3 of them, the only full version story we have is Noel's. Take that for what it's worth...... What are you talking about "the only full version of the story we have is Noel's?" Are you basing that off of face or just saying it because you want to believe Noel's side of the story. Liam has told the story countless times and it seemed pretty full to me. I guess if you prefer a version that fills in any gaps you perceive with lies, then maybe you should go with Noel's version. +1
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