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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 13:40:15 GMT -5
It well is price gouging. Yes its the whole capitalistic supply and demand but, as our ENTIRE world is witnessing, Capitalism is the root of all evil! Just because EVERYONE ELSE is charging TOP$$$$ for stuff doenst make it right for BE or PG to do the same! WTF happend to looking out for the fans? not many bands give a fuck, they're only looking at the end of every show, how much their take on the gig is going to be. And in a way, it upsets me, to see that Liam is ok with the prices PG is charging. I see hes trying to make his gear "exclusive" by keeping the prices up and catering to that type of clientel but, "going with the flow" of something that isnt right or unjust doestn sit right with me. What are you on about? Any business is about maximizing profits. If someone intentionally keeps their prices low, then that's a bonus. It is not, however, a right - as you're almost implying it should be. If I'm running BE's finances, and I know that I can get the show to sell out for $50, then I'm bloody well going to charge at least that amount. To not do so would be stupid. Liam is a seller..........priceless.
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Post by julespizzorno on Jul 15, 2011 13:42:26 GMT -5
Just got my ticket for the 930 Club in DC! Nice one! $50.50 when all was said and done - that's actually just 50 cents more than what I paid for Philly. Not bad going, really. Within the space of 5 months, I will have seen BDI more times than I saw Oasis in their 20 years of existence. That's mental. Just got my ticket too, see you there! I was able to get my tickets directly from the box office, so I only paid $41 (got three tickets, so I saved some money there), but at least 930 works with Ticketfly which doesn't charge as much as Ticketmaster...
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Post by jilliam on Jul 15, 2011 14:45:02 GMT -5
It well is price gouging. Yes its the whole capitalistic supply and demand but, as our ENTIRE world is witnessing, Capitalism is the root of all evil! Just because EVERYONE ELSE is charging TOP$$$$ for stuff doenst make it right for BE or PG to do the same! WTF happend to looking out for the fans? not many bands give a fuck, they're only looking at the end of every show, how much their take on the gig is going to be. And in a way, it upsets me, to see that Liam is ok with the prices PG is charging. I see hes trying to make his gear "exclusive" by keeping the prices up and catering to that type of clientel but, "going with the flow" of something that isnt right or unjust doestn sit right with me. What are you on about? Any business is about maximizing profits. If someone intentionally keeps their prices low, then that's a bonus. It is not, however, a right - as you're almost implying it should be. If I'm running BE's finances, and I know that I can get the show to sell out for $50, then I'm bloody well going to charge at least that amount. To not do so would be stupid. Thats exactly what I am saying, WHOMEVER is running the "finances" for PG and BE, theyre looking to line their pockets in the most profitable way AT THE EXPEN$E OF THE FANS. I know its business and thats how it works but, its not fuckin right! If I LOVE my fans the way BE or any fuckin band for that matter, claim, and Ive already made my millions and am set for life, I would then go out of my way to make sure these fans who have, so to speak, set me up for life, I will make sure I set out fair ticket prices. Bc ultimately the show can not go on without the star, this case without Liam.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 15:01:40 GMT -5
What are you on about? Any business is about maximizing profits. If someone intentionally keeps their prices low, then that's a bonus. It is not, however, a right - as you're almost implying it should be. If I'm running BE's finances, and I know that I can get the show to sell out for $50, then I'm bloody well going to charge at least that amount. To not do so would be stupid. Thats exactly what I am saying, WHOMEVER is running the "finances" for PG and BE, theyre looking to line their pockets in the most profitable way AT THE EXPEN$E OF THE FANS. I know its business and thats how it works but, its not fuckin right! If I LOVE my fans the way BE or any fuckin band for that matter, and Ive already made my millions and am set for life, I would then go out of my way to make sure these fans who have, so to speak, set me up for life, I will make sure I set out fair ticket prices. Bc ultimately the show can not go on without the star, this case without Liam. yeah. depending on Liam's lifestyle, he doesn't seem that extravagant, well a little. is his mortage that much? child support? on a good note. his lifestyle, or monthly debts might bring Oasis back togther for monetary gain. but, it'll never be the same. Oasis were great, i got to fully enjoy them, and i'll enjoy whatever their fruits bear. i really couldn't careless. i just like to type on a key board and incite debate.
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Post by kmtgod on Jul 15, 2011 15:03:12 GMT -5
This is such a pointless argument again. The tickets are fairly well under $100 a ticket and people are complaining. I paid $197 for two tickets today with some added perks, but totally feel comfortable at that price. The band and promoter work to find a price that will entice fans into buying tickets and hopefully sell out. If the concert sells out, then they did their job correct and everyone is happy. The bands don't owe anything to their fans, especially when it comes to tours since that is how most bands make their money now. Fans already are stealing almost all the music, so shows are even more important. So the established bands dont owe it to the consumer to lower tour prices when their CD's/Mp3's are being ripped and torrented with all that money lost for that product.
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Post by thuperthonic on Jul 15, 2011 15:03:18 GMT -5
Milking it for all it's worth is not good business in the long run. It can turn off people who are already fans (already happening) and deter newer, more casual fans from bothering to check them out. Liam's presence ain't gonna get asses in the seats forever...
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 15:06:06 GMT -5
This is such a pointless argument again. The tickets are fairly well under $100 a ticket and people are complaining. I paid $197 for two tickets today with some added perks, but totally feel comfortable at that price. The band and promoter work to find a price that will entice fans into buying tickets and hopefully sell out. If the concert sells out, then they did their job correct and everyone is happy. The bands don't owe anything to their fans, especially when it comes to tours since that is how most bands make their money now. Fans already are stealing almost all the music, so shows are even more important. So the established bands dont owe it to the consumer to lower tour prices when their CD's/Mp3's are being ripped and torrented with all that money lost for that product. i agree with you on music being ripped off but i stll can't agree with you on the price in comparison.
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Post by kmtgod on Jul 15, 2011 15:14:12 GMT -5
Again, touring is one of the largest ways for a band to make money, since no one is buying CD's or singles like a decade ago. So charging slightly above ticket prices doesn't seem odd to me. Also, quite a few people are getting tickets for $50, which I wouldnt say milking.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 15:22:11 GMT -5
Again, touring is one of the largest ways for a band to make money, since no one is buying CD's or singles like a decade ago. So charging slightly above ticket prices doesn't seem odd to me. Also, quite a few people are getting tickets for $50, which I wouldnt say milking. i have an enormous amount of respect for anyone willing to put themselves out there and be judged. that takes courage and balls. but i don't agree with these tickets. there should be a true market comparison and/or realistic value but there really isn't, there can't be. i don't agree with, but that doesn't matter. enjoy the show, for really. i'm sure it'll be great.
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Post by Frodis on Jul 15, 2011 15:34:53 GMT -5
wee. got my ticket for Seattle. Came out to about $54 for one ticket.
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Post by kmtgod on Jul 15, 2011 15:50:03 GMT -5
$54 a ticket, are you crazy? you were so price gouged. Oh wait, that is a pretty decent price for a fan. Nevermind. Thought you were meaning $200 a ticket for U2 or Britney Spears.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 15:52:41 GMT -5
$54 a ticket, are you crazy? you were so price gouged. Oh wait, that is a pretty decent price for a fan. Nevermind. Thought you were meaning $200 a ticket for U2 or Britney Spears. you're out of your league. for seriously, you can't win. enjoy the show, it'll probably be great.
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Post by kmtgod on Jul 15, 2011 15:59:51 GMT -5
I will, dont worry. sorry you wont be able to.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 15, 2011 16:00:17 GMT -5
I'm with kmtgod on this one.
As long as fans are willing to pay, then the prices will remain that high, if not higher. I seriously don't understand what you lot are complaining about? Do I want the prices to be lower? Damn right I do. Who wants to pay more money? And yeah, 1 average album you would think they would be a tad lower. But guess what? At the current price, they are selling out so that's all that really matters.
And what in god's name do you mean 'it's not right'? How is it not right? BDI don't owe you anything. They don't owe you being able to afford going to their shows.
And LIB: If the day comes when they can't charge $50 a ticket to see Liam, then the price will drop. So I don't even see a point in your comment. It's all about supply and demand.
This debate is ridiculous.
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Post by kmtgod on Jul 15, 2011 16:04:37 GMT -5
Thank you NL4E, well put and correct.
In 30 years, hopefully not, you might be able to see an Oasis lineup for $10 at your local state fair. But luckily I will see Beady Eye in their prime for a slightly higher price.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 16:10:24 GMT -5
I'm with kmtgod on this one. As long as fans are willing to pay, then the prices will remain that high, if not higher. I seriously don't understand what you lot are complaining about? Do I want the prices to be lower? Damn right I do. Who wants to pay more money? And yeah, 1 average album you would think they would be a tad lower. But guess what? At the current price, they are selling out so that's all that really matters. And what in god's name do you mean 'it's not right'? How is it not right? BDI don't owe you anything. They don't owe you being able to afford going to their shows. And LIB: If the day comes when they can't charge $50 a ticket to see Liam, then the price will drop. So I don't even see a point in your comment. It's all about supply and demand. This debate is ridiculous. i guess the bottomline is BDI's not that good, they aren't worth $50 a ticket. and again, i'm sorry. but that's true. to go into my BDI repose( is that the right word?), they have like half songs that are great. the chorus to 'standing on the edge of the noise'(i can't stand all those stupid abbreviations) is great, 'three ring circus' is good, especially the chorus and the verses of 'beatles and stones' are good even though it doesn't change. that's not worth my $54, maybe $20 when considering the lead singer from Oasis.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 16:15:24 GMT -5
I'm with kmtgod on this one. As long as fans are willing to pay, then the prices will remain that high, if not higher. I seriously don't understand what you lot are complaining about? Do I want the prices to be lower? Damn right I do. Who wants to pay more money? And yeah, 1 average album you would think they would be a tad lower. But guess what? At the current price, they are selling out so that's all that really matters. And what in god's name do you mean 'it's not right'? How is it not right? BDI don't owe you anything. They don't owe you being able to afford going to their shows. And LIB: If the day comes when they can't charge $50 a ticket to see Liam, then the price will drop. So I don't even see a point in your comment. It's all about supply and demand. This debate is ridiculous. and again, it shouldn't really matter what you are willing to pay, for all intents and purposes you're an idiot, prove yourself to me otherwise for what the prices are, they aren't worth it. to include my last snide remark....there's a sucker born every day.
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Post by kmtgod on Jul 15, 2011 16:23:24 GMT -5
No, the bottom line is just that you just don't like them. That is it period. Many like myself do like them and like the change that they aren't playing the same old Oasis tunes I have seen live 8-10 times. I dont see how I am an idiot because I do like them (see sellout list, I'm not alone). Again, maybe these shows won't sell out and you will be proven right, but I doubt that. These prices are not crazy high like some other recent tours from other acts (well over $100). So to be fighting over $30-$40 a ticket is pointless unless you are some kid on an allowance from your parent. $50-$60 a ticket I think is fair and no one is making you buy one, so no one is harmed. Have a wonderful weekend.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 16:28:19 GMT -5
No, the bottom line is just that you just don't like them. That is it period. Many like myself do like them and like the change that they aren't playing the same old Oasis tunes I have seen live 8-10 times. I dont see how I am an idiot because I do like them (see sellout list, I'm not alone). Again, maybe these shows won't sell out and you will be proven right, but I doubt that. These prices are not crazy high like some other recent tours from other acts (well over $100). So to be fighting over $30-$40 a ticket is pointless unless you are some kid on an allowance from your parent. $50-$60 a ticket I think is fair and no one is making you buy one, so no one is harmed. Have a wonderful weekend. i didn't say you particularuly are stupid but you are teetering on it with some of your above comments. i'd say something something else but i'm done with this. i need a deodorant, like a good deodorant, one that works.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 16:40:57 GMT -5
Thank you NL4E, well put and correct. In 30 years, hopefully not, you might be able to see an Oasis lineup for $10 at your local state fair. But luckily I will see Beady Eye in their prime for a slightly higher price. This is their prime? I fear for the second album and subsequent tours.
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Post by kmtgod on Jul 15, 2011 16:58:13 GMT -5
Their prime in that their live show is much more energetic and enjoyable then the last few tours. Hopefully the next few years will be their prime, then when and if they get stale, that will be the time for the OAsis reunion.
Good luck LetItBleed, have fun at your underpriced shows.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 17:10:05 GMT -5
Their prime in that their live show is much more energetic and enjoyable then the last few tours. Hopefully the next few years will be their prime, then when and if they get stale, that will be the time for the OAsis reunion. Good luck LetItBleed, have fun at your underpriced shows. i have really bad breath, and should take a shower, i have a strange body odor lately.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 15, 2011 17:11:07 GMT -5
I'm with kmtgod on this one. As long as fans are willing to pay, then the prices will remain that high, if not higher. I seriously don't understand what you lot are complaining about? Do I want the prices to be lower? Damn right I do. Who wants to pay more money? And yeah, 1 average album you would think they would be a tad lower. But guess what? At the current price, they are selling out so that's all that really matters. And what in god's name do you mean 'it's not right'? How is it not right? BDI don't owe you anything. They don't owe you being able to afford going to their shows. And LIB: If the day comes when they can't charge $50 a ticket to see Liam, then the price will drop. So I don't even see a point in your comment. It's all about supply and demand. This debate is ridiculous. and again, it shouldn't really matter what you are willing to pay, for all intents and purposes you're an idiot, prove yourself to me otherwise for what the prices are, they aren't worth it. to include my last snide remark....there's a sucker born every day. Actually, you have that reversed. It does matter that I, and others, are willing to shell out $40-50 per ticket because that demand sets the price. It's working. They are playing to sell out venues. However, it does not matter that you are not going. Why? Because they are selling out regardless. Here's a good example: Do you think $8 for a beer at a sporting event is worth it? Probably not. A normal beer should cost ideally no more than $5 at the very most. So for what it's worth, it's a tad bit high. But it has remained that high for decades because enough people are willing to spend that much on the beer to complement the event in order for the company in question to earn a profit. With that being said, I bet you have bought that over priced beer at least a few times. Or popcorn or another snack at a movie theater. Etc etc. If the demand is there, the price tends to be higher. I repeat: what are you possibly complaining about?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 15, 2011 17:13:38 GMT -5
Another point: Isn't almost everything technically over priced? I mean, if everything was always sold at face value, no one would ever make any money......
As a business perspective, BDI are right on the money (no pun intended)
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 15, 2011 17:17:29 GMT -5
and again, it shouldn't really matter what you are willing to pay, for all intents and purposes you're an idiot, prove yourself to me otherwise for what the prices are, they aren't worth it. to include my last snide remark....there's a sucker born every day. Actually, you have that reversed. It does matter that I, and others, are willing to shell out $40-50 per ticket because that demand sets the price. It's working. They are playing to sell out venues. However, it does not matter that you are not going. Why? Because they are selling out regardless. Here's a good example: Do you think $8 for a beer at a sporting event is worth it? Probably not. A normal beer should cost ideally no more than $5 at the very most. So for what it's worth, it's a tad bit high. But it has remained that high for decades because enough people are willing to spend that much on the beer to complement the event in order for the company in question to earn a profit. With that being said, I bet you have bought that over priced beer at least a few times. Or popcorn or another snack at a movie theater. Etc etc. If the demand is there, the price tends to be higher. I repeat: what are you possibly complaining about? i can't help that you have no taste. i read your first line, for seriously, i don't care(for reallly, your first line......) your opinion doesn't matter to me, you've proved yourself to be. an idiot. that's not a very christian thing to say but whatever. prove me wrong sometime., and and not in this thread.
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